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#451 RunningWild

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:22 PM

Not gonna bash the kid. But I am going to question Canucks ability to recruit players .... again.

Last summer they let their PP quarterback go, and could only attract 4th liners and Sturm. This summer, it was rumored GMs around the league thought Canucks were front runner for Schultz. Now he signs with a different team.

I hope Gillis has a plan. There is a grant total of 1 PP quarterback on the market this summer, they don't become available very often - Gillis has already failed to sign 2 of them. Nucks also have 4 other massive holes to fill (top 4 d-man to play w/ Edler, 3rd line cetnre, playmaker for Kes and backup for Cory). I just hope there's a plan.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:24 PM

There is a reason that pretty much every team wanted him. There is also a reason why the Ducks were so desperate to sign him that they even offered him an extension the night before their last game of the season so he would burn a year off his ELC and could get a big raise next summer as a RFA.

Everyone is in agreement that he's a 22 year old that is NHL ready. He plays a man's game. Maybe he never becomes a top pairing Dman but he's almost a lock to be a top 4 guy and guys don't come around for free very often.


Time will tell, top 4 dman?? on the Oilers? sure, but he still needs to prove it. Thats why i believe the Canucks would've been a wiser choice so he can ease his way in a to become a top 4 defenceman rather than have top 4 ice time handed to him and not live up to the expectations.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:24 PM

I stayed quiet throughout the Schultz sweepstakes, but this guy is just another Matt Gilroy. Don't worry about it.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:24 PM

Also: If AV is so terrible (and he ain't my favorite coach) - why do most of his players go on to have record years under him?



Thank you. Every time i hear fans bashing on AV for Hodgson, Grabner, etc. I always think about when he split up Kesler and Burrows a duo (much like the Sedins) that at the time were considered perfect for each other and inseperatable. Now look at them, top 6 players being great and key for the team. Before AV they were 3rd liners at best. Obviously you could argue they have matured but much of that has to do with AV's trust in them for their top 6 roles when the team was in that horrible slump (4, 5 years ago?)
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:24 PM

Fabian Brunnstrom anyone?
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:29 PM

Do you know what a top 4 defenceman is?

It's a defenceman who plays either 1st of 2nd pairing, usually getting 20+ minutes a night that can take a regular shift even strength and play on at least one of the special teams.

Well, you have to slot in anyone on those spots... For an example, if your defence is weak, and you have no better option than Aaron Rome, you slot him in on a top4 role, that doesn't really mean Rome automatically becomes a top4 d-man. That says more about the team than Aaron Rome.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:30 PM

6. All players hit free agency, same time or not it doesn't make much of a difference


Well, it might make a difference to the salary cap of the team. :)

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:30 PM

GMMG made a huge booboo re-signing AV,


I am thinking the same thing. No skilled young player would want AV deciding his role on the team. AV himself was a marginal NHL player who survived on toughness and experience. He expects other players to do the same and has a hard time with high skill young player who might, gasp, be able to slot quickly into a top 4 role on defense or a top 6 forward role.

AV loves guys like Rome and Lapierre. Those kind of guys are valuable, but you still need the high-skill guys.

I hope MG can sign a tough experienced free agent D -- someone who might be willing to play for AV.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:32 PM

I am thinking the same thing. No skilled young player would want AV deciding his role on the team. AV himself was a marginal NHL player who survived on toughness and experience. He expects other players to do the same and has a hard time with high skill young player who might, gasp, be able to slot quickly into a top 4 role on defense or a top 6 forward role.

AV loves guys like Rome and Lapierre. Those kind of guys are valuable, but you still need the high-skill guys.

I hope MG can sign a tough experienced free agent D -- someone who might be willing to play for AV.


All AV asks is for players to be defensively responsible and not make dumb plays. Is that really too much to ask out of a player?

The ones who have done that have all excelled under him.

Edited by DeNiro, 30 June 2012 - 02:33 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:32 PM

Jeez, 3.75 mil cap hit for Schultz??

That's absolutly ludicrous for a guy with absolutely zero NHL games under his belt...
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:33 PM

Thank God that's done. Getting rather annoyed hearing this guy's name spouted so often, the guy seems like a diva.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:34 PM

I can understand it

A team loading up with young talent, possible gifts and offers of advice and coaching from Coffey, and Gretzky. A party invite from Paulina ? the possibilities are endless.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:35 PM

It's hilarious how everyone in this thread throws the kid under the bus just because he didn't sign with us. Just reading the first page, apparently Schultz is now a diva and a future bust for having the audacity to not sign with the Canucks. I really hate this place sometimes. So many babies.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:37 PM


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:37 PM

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Edler, Markstrom, Hansen, 2nd round pick 2014 to Islanders for Ryan Strome, 5th overall pick 2014

This is fairly even as well.

 


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:38 PM

It's hilarious how everyone in this thread throws the kid under the bus just because he didn't sign with us. Just reading the first page, apparently Schultz is now a diva and a future bust for having the audacity to not sign with the Canucks. I really hate this place sometimes. So many babies.


don't start grouping everyone together with statements like these the amount of people commenting on this thread does not represent the entire forum so just stop ok
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:40 PM

Schultz reminds me of Hodgson now. A whiney little unproven guy who hasn't proved anything wanting ice time in the NHL. Frack this. Go play all you want in EDM and come in last.

Oh, and welcome to the team Jason Garrison :)

Right....
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:42 PM

It's hilarious how everyone in this thread throws the kid under the bus just because he didn't sign with us. Just reading the first page, apparently Schultz is now a diva and a future bust for having the audacity to not sign with the Canucks. I really hate this place sometimes. So many babies.


Yep. That's CDC for you. Little kids who didn't get what they want so they start crying.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:43 PM

This was the first thing that came to mind when I heard that Schultz was going to the Oilers. I'm not going to blame AV for this at all...but maybe his reputation precedes him...even if it's not totally fair.

Remember...perception is reality.


There is some truth to this comment about perception.

Schultz going to Edmonton strengthens the perception of some other people who say that he is uncertain of his talent in that he feels he couldn't keep up at the NHL level, or that he perhaps feels he is better than the team and the coaches and therefore he'll have an easier time ruling the roost with an easier taskmaster than AV.

I don't hold these views (or any other attacks which have been directed to Schultz), but I can see why some people hold them.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:44 PM

Well, you have to slot in anyone on those spots... For an example, if your defence is weak, and you have no better option than Aaron Rome, you slot him in on a top4 role, that doesn't really mean Rome automatically becomes a top4 d-man. That says more about the team than Aaron Rome.

The Oilers best pairing last season was Smid-Petry. I'd say they'd be an average 2nd pairing on a playoff team. Whitney had a horrible season last year. He was a top pairing defenceman before surgery. Since he's a UFA at the end of the coming season, I expect him to have a rebound season, probably not top pairing but a decent 2nd pairing defenceman. N.Schultz is a stay at home defenceman. Nothing flashy but dependable. He'd probably be an ok 4th or a good 5th defenceman on a playoff team. I put J.Schultz as a top 4 defenceman, it might be premature but we will see.

IMO, Oilers need to add one more top 4 defenceman to have a shot at the playoffs.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:44 PM

GM Steve Tambellini on today's acquisition of Justin Schultz

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:48 PM

its gonna be fun to watch edmonton develop into an elite team. 5 years down the road, when sedins will maybe not be canucks/retired, edmonton will dominate the division
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:48 PM

Who's to say they will?

Just because you get 1st overall picks doesn't mean you'll be a good team. The players still have to gel, and teams need great role players to win.

You can get great players late in the first round too. Just look at Perry and Kesler.


They have had 3 first overall picks, the jury is still out on Yakupov, but Hall and RNH look like stars in the making, and they have also added late round picks and some really good second round picks.

I'm a believer in late round picks aswell like yourself but Hall + RNH > Jensen + Gaunce, there's no debate, and we don't have anyone to match up with Yakupov.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:50 PM

Thank God that's done. Getting rather annoyed hearing this guy's name spouted so often, the guy seems like a diva.


How is he a diva? It's the media that turned this into a circus, not Justin Schultz. Schultz just did what any UFA sought after by the entire league would do. He decided which teams he was interested in, let them pitch to him, and then chose, all within the span of about a week. What's wrong with that? He didn't ask TSN to camp outside his agent's building and provide 24/7 updates. You wouldn't be calling him a diva if he signed with the Canucks.

Fabian Brunnstrom anyone?


Except Fabian Brunnstrom had no pedigree. He was just an undrafted guy who started playing really well in the SEL. At 18 Schultz already had the pedigree of an early 2nd round draft pick (many actually thought he could go in the 1st round), and since then he has just gotten bigger and better in every way. He's gonna be a top 4 d-man in this league for years to come.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:51 PM

Ducks didn't really do it. Perry and Getzlaf were later first round picks, and Niedermeyer and Pronger were acquire through a signing and a trade.


yea my mistake on the perry/getzalf. was referring to more ryan but anaheim is a bad example.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:51 PM

Do you know what a top 4 defenceman is?

It's a defenceman who plays either 1st of 2nd pairing, usually getting 20+ minutes a night that can take a regular shift even strength and play on at least one of the special teams.


your an idiot - in terms of skill the oilers don't have 5 top 4 d-men... if any of their defence were traded to vancouver they would NOT play top 4 minutes... thanks for trolling douchebag
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:53 PM

its gonna be fun to watch edmonton develop into an elite team. 5 years down the road, when sedins will maybe not be canucks/retired, edmonton will dominate the division


How exactly is that fun again??
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:53 PM

There is some truth to this comment about perception.

Schultz going to Edmonton strengthens the perception of some other people who say that he is uncertain of his talent in that he feels he couldn't keep up at the NHL level, or that he perhaps feels he is better than the team and the coaches and therefore he'll have an easier time ruling the roost with an easier taskmaster than AV.

I don't hold these views (or any other attacks which have been directed to Schultz), but I can see why some people hold them.

regards,
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Then one could also argue his agents are irresponsible - and not because he didn't sign in Van. What's Kruger done to impress agents and players? Isn't it more risky to go with a relative unproven coach han one that people know and regard as tough but straight up? If Coaching was a big decision - I'd have gone to Ottawa or New York (if Van wasn't included).
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:56 PM

They have had 3 first overall picks, the jury is still out on Yakupov, but Hall and RNH look like stars in the making, and they have also added late round picks and some really good second round picks.

I'm a believer in late round picks aswell like yourself but Hall + RNH > Jensen + Gaunce, there's no debate, and we don't have anyone to match up with Yakupov.


But they also come with a much higher price tag, especially in 2 years (maybe that's why Shultz went for a 2 year deal)...they won't have money to sign everyone. And at some point it's diminishing returns with all offensive players - there's only one puck on the ice. That's not to belittle the kids, they're all great players. But Edmonton isn't built to win right now. They don't have a Keith or Seabrook like the Hawks did when they won, and they were lucky they did when they did because they we're blown up right away.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:57 PM

its gonna be fun to watch edmonton develop into an elite team. 5 years down the road, when sedins will maybe not be canucks/retired, edmonton will dominate the division


Salary Cap says it'll be fun too...If Hemsky is worth 5 million now - imagine what Hall, Eberle, RNH, Yakupoc, Gagner and Shultz will be worth in 5 years.

Wonder if there's room for a goalie there?
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