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#481 DIBdaQUIB

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:59 PM

Do you know what a top 4 defenceman is?

It's a defenceman who plays either 1st of 2nd pairing, usually getting 20+ minutes a night that can take a regular shift even strength and play on at least one of the special teams.


Do you know what people are referring to when they talk about a "top 4 D-man"?!!!

If Alberts and Rome were the best 2 D we had, they would get top 4 minutes and be onteh PP. Does that make them top 4 D men when discussing talent? No, it does not. Every team has 4 D men that get the top minutes. The caliber of those players varies greatly. Edmonton now has 1 maybe 2 D-men that fit the description of what a contending team would consider top 4. One of those has yet to play a game in the NHL.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:00 PM

But they also come with a much higher price tag, especially in 2 years (maybe that's why Shultz went for a 2 year deal)...they won't have money to sign everyone. And at some point it's diminishing returns with all offensive players - there's only one puck on the ice. That's not to belittle the kids, they're all great players. But Edmonton isn't built to win right now. They don't have a Keith or Seabrook like the Hawks did when they won, and they were lucky they did when they did because they we're blown up right away.


Schultz went with 2 years cause that's the longest they were able to sign him, and yes they do but those are core players for them, to give them 5 million or whatever they will get is nothing, That's what our core players are getting, just cause 3 players will be eventually making 5-6 mill is nbd, so many teams have that already.


Plus the cap just went up to 70, and there shouldn't be any significant changes in the new CBA, so spending 15 to 20 million on these stars wont be that big of a deal.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:01 PM

Then one could also argue his agents are irresponsible - and not because he didn't sign in Van. What's Kruger done to impress agents and players? Isn't it more risky to go with a relative unproven coach han one that people know and regard as tough but straight up? If Coaching was a big decision - I'd have gone to Ottawa or New York (if Van wasn't included).


Certainly. However, the point which I was addressing is the belief (held by others) that Schultz would want an "easier" coach which he could perhaps manipulate. I don't see that happening in Vancouver, Ottawa or New York.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:06 PM

All the more reason to hope the Oilers miss the playoffs again.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:09 PM

Schultz made the right decision for him self after hearing from multiple teams. No need to cry over spilled milk. I for one look forward to watching him play with all the other young kids on the Oilers.

Garrison to Canucks get it done MG.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:10 PM

How the hell is he Hodgson 2.0?

If anything he's the opposite

Hodgson wanted to be closer to home, his parents had a say in where he went, and he's a forward.

Sure he hand picked his team but so what? He didn't have a contract... But that was a pretty douchey move to reject the team that drafted him.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:10 PM

Fire AV. Oh wait...


Let us fans show our discontent when he fails again this year.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:11 PM

Great moves by EDM to get him. Schultz just fits the best in EDM and their young core, they wanted him more, they got him. And it's close to home for Schultz. So it make a lot of sense.

And. Ugh. Free agents are free to sign wherever they want. It's a pretty simple concept.

People who don't understand that and then start making up stuff so they can justify some self-fabricated hate towards any player who choses another team are just.... well obviously haven't been following this or any sport for that long. To those people, please for the love of hockey, shut the hell up. You are just confirming your ignorance.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:18 PM

your an idiot - in terms of skill the oilers don't have 5 top 4 d-men... if any of their defence were traded to vancouver they would NOT play top 4 minutes... thanks for trolling douchebag

It's nice to see that even special needs kids can interact on the internet.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:20 PM

This is a rookie saying: I don't need to earn my way. Hope he ends up on waivers
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:21 PM

It's the best fit for Schultz. I don't blame him. Everyone here is just butt hurt that he didn't sign with the Canucks.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:21 PM

Do you know what people are referring to when they talk about a "top 4 D-man"?!!!

If Alberts and Rome were the best 2 D we had, they would get top 4 minutes and be onteh PP. Does that make them top 4 D men when discussing talent? No, it does not. Every team has 4 D men that get the top minutes. The caliber of those players varies greatly. Edmonton now has 1 maybe 2 D-men that fit the description of what a contending team would consider top 4. One of those has yet to play a game in the NHL.

I was basing the Oilers defencemen on a playoff calibur team.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:22 PM

I wish him and the Olilers the best, just not better then us.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:23 PM

Nothing personal Justin, but you joined the competition. I hope you and the oilers fail. Cheers :)
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

Cory Schneider is the next Patrick Roy.


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:24 PM

All AV asks is for players to be defensively responsible and not make dumb plays. Is that really too much to ask out of a player
The ones who have done that have all excelled under him.


They all make misakes but some wont miss a shift while others may get almost zero playing time Do Rome and Raymond not mess up but AV likes them and is much more forgiving than some.
When Lu has sucked he refuses to pull him until it is far to late.
AV plays favourites and seems unfair in his assesments sometimes.
Schultz will be a rookie and make mistakes like everyone else, but with AV there is a higher chance that he would be benched for long periods so AV can make room for his faves.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:29 PM

:picard: I wanted him to sign here, but seriously everyone grow the frack up. He can play where he wants to play.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:31 PM

OHH NO, how could we miss out on signing a completely unproven and zero experience young D man for an overpriced salary!
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:31 PM

I didn't want him anyways. From what I've heard he's not that good defensively which won't work alongside Edler and he's not physical enough for our bottom pairing. He supposedly wanted ice-time and he just wasn't gonna get it here from my perspective.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:33 PM

Mike Gillis must feel like Jerry Maguire right about now. Justin Schultz was his to loose. I dont think he would have let go of Rome and Marc-André Gragnani if he didn't think Schultz was in the bag. But the hockey gods are mean to the Canucks as we all know and yesterday Glen Sather SCROOOOOD us. Hockey gods swooped down from heaven and seduced Justin Schultz. COME ON! Wayne F**king Gretzky and Paul Coffee. Talk about dirty pool.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:34 PM

I don't mind not getting Schultz. I felt a bit apprehensive about him just because he's coming off as a diva right now. And an unproven one, at that.

We won't need Schultz when we get Parise, Weber, Suter, Doan, Garrison and Gretzky. :rolleyes:
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:35 PM

You guys are getting really worked up over a name you wouldn't have recognized last week.
Not reading 17 pages of this.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:37 PM

Plus the cap just went up to 70, and there shouldn't be any significant changes in the new CBA, so spending 15 to 20 million on these stars wont be that big of a deal.


It would be fine if there was only 3 players getting around 5 million, but it won't be - which was my point. Horcoff and Hemsky are getting 5 million right now, Whitney is getting 4 million. Hall, Eberle, RHN, Shultz and Yakupov (assuming he plays to potential) will ALL be able to get far more than Hemsky...so we're talking 6-8 million realistically. So, it's more like 30-40 million on those 5 in a couple years, and sorry - but they won't be able to keep doing that. At some point one or more are going to have to move just to be able to keep the 'core' that they choose on. Mind you, it's a good problem to have. But it's also why we won't see dynasty's built strictly from drafts.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:38 PM

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lol just like you're going to be when the Oilers are running over your worthless bunch of hacks for the next 10+ years. ;)
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:41 PM

Canucks are cursed. Guess how many first overall picks we've had in our entire history. Zero that's right and No cups. The Oilers well they have 5 cups and have have how many first over all picks? And then they land the best young defencman available. Not all organizations were created equal.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:44 PM

"It basically came down to me having the option to chose where I want to play from the teams that were interested." -- Schultz
"It's a great organization, with such classy people there, I enjoyed my time with them, nothing bad to say about them" -- Schultz on Anaheim
"I'm very happy I could choose the Edmonton Oilers" -- Schultz on picking Edmonton
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:47 PM

It would be fine if there was only 3 players getting around 5 million, but it won't be - which was my point. Horcoff and Hemsky are getting 5 million right now, Whitney is getting 4 million. Hall, Eberle, RHN, Shultz and Yakupov (assuming he plays to potential) will ALL be able to get far more than Hemsky...so we're talking 6-8 million realistically. So, it's more like 30-40 million on those 5 in a couple years, and sorry - but they won't be able to keep doing that. At some point one or more are going to have to move just to be able to keep the 'core' that they choose on. Mind you, it's a good problem to have. But it's also why we won't see dynasty's built strictly from drafts.


Hemsky and Horcoff wont be there when those players are making 6-8 if they ever do.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:47 PM

Haha Luongo's awesome:

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Wow I can't believe peoples replies...
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:49 PM

You guys are getting really worked up over a name you wouldn't have recognized last week.
Not reading 17 pages of this.


still dont know who he is. dont care.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:50 PM

Who cares. I remember all the hubbub about Schultz's agent Ray Staszak too. Once he got to the show he didn't even come close to cutting it. This kid could have the same thing happen.

We pick our team on character and ability. Personally if I had spent my entire life the fan of a team and had the opportunity to go there I would. His choice speaks to selfishness in my opinion. He'll be booed in his home Province every time he touches the puck.

My final rant is to you people that keep talking about AV and how he treats our younger players. He has had so many develop well underneath him but he doesn't just hand them minutes. Big Deal, earn your ice. You clearly have no clue how a hockey team operates.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:53 PM

OHH NO, how could we miss out on signing a completely unproven and zero experience young D man for an overpriced salary!

Pretty much...
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