Super_Canuck Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 So the rumours are that the Penguins and the Red Wings are in on both Suter and Parise sweepstakes. How the hell is it that both these teams who already have big name/big contract players can go after these 2 guys and still be able to stay at or below the cap and the Canucks can't? The Pens were quick to trade one of their best players (staal) when he didn't accept their offer and got a pretty good return and yet our GM is dragging the Luongo fiasco on and on and can't seem to work anything out. What does Gillis do instead? He signs a one hit wonder (Garrison) to a lucrative deal which will come back to bite him in the ass. (just like Ballard, though he didn't sign him, he still traded for him) Gillis needs to get creative and make the "bold" moves he said he would when he got hired. I know everyone here treats MG like the messiah and anyone who criticizes him is a troll, but CDC needs to take it's blinders off and wake the F up. Gillis is at best an average GM who has made a ton of mistakes. The Wings got Zetterberg, Franzen and Datsyuk making big money, the Pens got Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Fleury and yet they still go after the 2 big Fish and our GM just sits there and gives big money to average players year after year and doesn't have the stones to make bold moves. Both the Wings and the Pens have won cups recently, yet they are still unsatisfied and continue to bolster their lineups but management and some fans here continue to say "don't worry, we are fine, we don't need any big changes, we are only a year removed from a finals appearance and have won 2 consecutive President's trophies" Really? Is that good enough? Just a finals appearance and fricken Pres. trophies? Look at the Flyers, they were also coming off a Finals appearance recently but shook up their core and traded their captain and perharps their 2nd best player and they are now better for it. We shouldn't be satisfied with anything until we win the cup and we should remain hungry and so should management. Maybe Parise and Suter wouldn't come here anyways, but it'd be nice if Gillis can atleast make n effort and get creative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everybody Hates Raymond Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Money and connections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Detriot can because they are Detriot. Pittsburgh can because they have Sid and Geno. We do have the Sedins but they aren't respected enough throughout the league, It's sad but we just arent as appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion Phaneuf Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Gillis = spreads money throughout the team Shero & Holland = spend big , fill out with cheap contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 need money to make money need talent to get talent nucks are almost there - but need to win a cup AND still be in contention year after year. we are in contention last little while, but need to win that cup... simple as that. then it would also be easier to attract talent - and then also to stay at the top and win another cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Gillis = spreads money throughout the team Shero & Holland = spend big , fill out with cheap contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_fo_life Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Wherever Suter,Parise and Nash end up, their teams still wont be as deep and talented like the Canucks, we're just adding a couple pieces here and there and going for the whole thing. Vancouver is still much better than Detroit and Pittsburgh IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmpunk Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Honestly I could never see Suter here or on any canadian teams. Same with Parise, but also many eastern conference players don't want to come to the West because of travel, and Vancouver does a lot of travel out of all teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterBean Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Maybe because the Pens and Wings are American teams and he wants to go there? Parise has control of his destination and honestly why wouldn't he want to go to the Pens? They have more world class talent there and they are a few little steps from being Stanley Cup favourites. How can you call Garrison a one hit wonder? Unless he stinks it up next this year just reserve your judgement. Garrison has been solid defensively for awhile before and he happens to get good numbers playing on a much improved Florida team. He can put up better numbers here to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksFanMike Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 THe things that Vancouver has going for them is that they are a cup contending team and play in the nicest city in the NHL by far. Those two things would bring in alot of free agents u would think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmpunk Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Wherever Suter,Parise and Nash end up, their teams still wont be as deep and talented like the Canucks, we're just adding a couple pieces here and there and going for the whole thing. Vancouver is still much better than Detroit and Pittsburgh IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drukes1234 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 How about you take a look at the back end for both these teams. At this time both D cores are pretty pathetic. Pitts D core is just atrocious right now (worse than the core that got mandhandled by Philly) and Detroit is a complete shadow of what they were a year ago on D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuxFan09 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Forget money and cap space, those teams have the roster space. Gillis has his forward core in Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin, Ryan Kesler, Alex Burrows and David Booth. He has his D core in Alex Edler, Dan Hamhuis, Kevin Bieksa and Jason Garrison. The Canucks don't need a player like Parise as much as other teams who have more holes do. Keep in mind Alex Edler and Alex Burrows are due for extensions as well. It's all about smart management. Parise would fit in well here, no doubt, but he's far from being a necessity for the Canucks. That's why Gillis won't bid hard for his services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 The average salary in the NHL (considering a team spends to the cap) is 2.800mil. So for every 7 million dollar man on your roster, you need 2 AHL calibre guys at 700,000 each. Assuming Parise is around 7 mil - PITTS: 38 million tied up in 6 guys (Parise, Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Martin, Fleury) The average for the remaining guys is about 1.6mil. So even if these guys (except Fleury of course) eat up 20 minutes a game, there's 40 minutes a game that is filled with a dozen no-name or non-impact players...I can't see them being a legit contender without depth. I prefer OUR model...spread the cash around (balance and depth...no prima donnas). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 That's what happens when you sign and over pay your D to ridiculous contracts or pick up players who are being paid ridiculous contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simulated Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 luongo has peaked in his career and still have a lengthy contract tied to him. staal is a free agent in his prime, so of course it will be easier to trade him. the canucks aren't in the running for suter/parise because gillis isn't the type to throw money on the biggest name on the market. he firmly believes that balance is everything to success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canIcrytoo Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 waaaaaa I WANT WHAT THEY WANT CAUSE THEY WANT IT AND WE DONT HAVE IT.....helps that the pens have double the cap space we have currently, and the wings have triple the cap space we have........look at the whole buffet, instead of just the dessert table kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfan1968 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I was thinking the same thing today how is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 bud, we have the Sedins, Kesler, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Luongo AND Schneider. These are BIG names and they are talked about league wide. They all took discounts to stay here, play together, and win the cup. Just because they don't get paid over 7 mill/year does not mean they are not BIG TIME players. On any other team, the Sedins would each get paid at least 7-7.5 mill (Hart Trophy winners, Art Ross trophy winners...). I think you're the one that needs to wake the f up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tereKat Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 seriously, no need for the angsts. we have a good team- lots of stars, really, that probably 15 other teams would like to have. henrik and daniel, kesler, burrows, hamhuis, edler, Lu (i know, i know, he is leaving soon), bieksa, now we will have garrison. our 3rd and 4th liners could be 2nd liner in other teams, seriously. we don't need franchise players like suter and parise- we have 3 in our team (sedins, kesler). why do u want parise when you have henrik and daniel and kesler (when healthy)? why do you want a suter when you have a collective hamhuis, bieksa, edler and now garrison? how many teams have mvp/ selke / art ross in their team the past 5 years? we're good. there is no need for parise and suter who wants excessive $$$. MG just need to fill-up little pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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