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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:20 PM

Right down the middle of what I figured. If he was going to take a discount it could have been $6... if he wanted ti play hardball he could have gone for Rinne's $7 million.

Montreal fans seemed to think that he was going to sign for $4-5.5.... I guess the same sort of folks like the ones here who were suggesting Salo sign for $1.5
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:07 PM

So he got this contract based on potential? Schnieder is way better then Price but he got a fair contract to prove himself. Price is so overated and overpaid for getting nothing done. Such an average goalie.


Don't reply to my essay rant with one or two sentences and thing you've proved your point son, ( I thought CM Punk was supposed to be a talker? haha :P ) you claim all of these things but you don't back them up with any important claims AND you've probably never even seen Carey play before have you?

Um he got his contract based on a bunch of things. Of course potential was one of the factors, he's proved he can play at a high level and as he gets older and older of course he weill get better and better. He's their franchise player (the player they want to build around), and hey how about the most obvious glaring point, HE'S ONE OF THE TOP GOALIES IN THE NHL.

I don't know if you've noticed but Schneider has played a mere 50 or so games in the NHL hasn't he? What has Schneider accomplished so far? Carey has played almost 300. How is Schneider better? Are you telling me that if we stuck Schneider in Montreal and Carey here, that you can say with 100% confidence that Schneider would have taken the Habs out of last place and Carey's stats wouldn't skyrocket here? Do you watch the Habs? Do they have players with the calibre of the Sedins, Kesler, Hamhuis, Edler, Bieksa, Burrows, or the depth of the Canucks? Does Price have former Hart, Selke, Art Ross winners, or any All-Stars in front of him to help him get victories?

By your standards, Brian Elliot and Jaroslav Halak should be the top paid goalies in the NHL, good luck convincing everyone of that.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:58 PM

Don't reply to my essay rant with one or two sentences and thing you've proved your point son, ( I thought CM Punk was supposed to be a talker? haha :P ) you claim all of these things but you don't back them up with any important claims AND you've probably never even seen Carey play before have you?

Um he got his contract based on a bunch of things. Of course potential was one of the factors, he's proved he can play at a high level and as he gets older and older of course he weill get better and better. He's their franchise player (the player they want to build around), and hey how about the most obvious glaring point, HE'S ONE OF THE TOP GOALIES IN THE NHL.

I don't know if you've noticed but Schneider has played a mere 50 or so games in the NHL hasn't he? What has Schneider accomplished so far? Carey has played almost 300. How is Schneider better? Are you telling me that if we stuck Schneider in Montreal and Carey here, that you can say with 100% confidence that Schneider would have taken the Habs out of last place and Carey's stats wouldn't skyrocket here? Do you watch the Habs? Do they have players with the calibre of the Sedins, Kesler, Hamhuis, Edler, Bieksa, Burrows, or the depth of the Canucks? Does Price have former Hart, Selke, Art Ross winners, or any All-Stars in front of him to help him get victories?

By your standards, Brian Elliot and Jaroslav Halak should be the top paid goalies in the NHL, good luck convincing everyone of that.


Schnieder didn't get a 39mil deal for the exact reason I am saying. He has not proved anything yet and so Gillis gave him a 3yr contract at only 12mil to prove what he can do for a future long term contract. Same with Price, but he got 39mil without proving anything just like Schnieder.

And how in the world is Price one of the top goalies in the nhl? Please just go look at his stats, and see for yourself. The one run MTL had he was sitting on the bench, and Halak carried them. They weren't much of a better team up front then but they went as far as the conference finals all on Halak's shoulders. When Luongo came here, we couldn't score for crap and had an average defense, but Lu carried us into a playoff spot. Price if he is worth 6.5mil, should on his own at MINIMUM make the habs a middle pack team, not a bottom feeder. I don't care how bad your team, if you have an elite top NHL goalie, you are not a 28th place team in the league. Elite goalies make your team at least a middle pack team guaranteed.

I am not saying Price is bad and isn't even worth 3mil, but he definately ain't worth 6.5mil. And just saying if people don't think he is overpaid or overated, how could anyone possibly say Luongo is overpaid?

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:06 PM

Luongo's contract keeps looking better.

Lui >>>>>>>>>>Price


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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:08 PM

LOL

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At this point he clearly is. Numbers, Vezina nominations, and a gold medal don't lie. You can't even make an argument against this.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:11 PM

All that matters are numbers. Price has never been close to posting Vezina type stats. Not saying he hasn't been nominated, the guy has never even had a season with good numbers to be considered at one point.


He plays behind Midgets

In our net his numbers would be Vezina type
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:19 PM

He plays behind Midgets

In our net his numbers would be Vezina type


Halak carried them on his back to the conference finals not too long ago with Price on the bench, with pretty much the same small team.

Wiith Price they just finished dead last in the conference.

Now what?

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:36 PM

Halak carried them on his back to the conference finals not too long ago with Price on the bench, with pretty much the same small team.

Wiith Price they just finished dead last in the conference.

what?


So I guess Cory should have got more than 5,3 because Lu's ass was on the bench last year
when it mattered most, ya know,,same team and all,,,
Do you agree Cory is much better than Lu because all of a sudden you want to use numbers as to why Lu is better than Price.
Combining 2010-11 and 2011-12 tell me any stat Lu is even close to Cory in on the same team?

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:38 PM

Halak carried them on his back to the conference finals not too long ago with Price on the bench, with pretty much the same small team.

Wiith Price they just finished dead last in the conference.

Now what?


I really don't care to get into a who is better argument.

I know if FLA or TO or any team had to pick between Price and Luongo.

Price would be picked ahead All day long.

Don't even try to compare playoff experience.

If Luongo never played a playoff game in the NHL I believe his value would be higher than it is today.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:40 PM

Schnieder didn't get a 39mil deal for the exact reason I am saying. He has not proved anything yet and so Gillis gave him a 3yr contract at only 12mil to prove what he can do for a future long term contract. Same with Price, but he got 39mil without proving anything just like Schnieder. 3-time NHL All-Star, 3-time overall Molson Cup winner (this one says a lot), NHL All-Rookie Team, WJC Gold, CHL Goalie of the Year, Calder Cup winner, youngest ever Calder Cup MVP...all before 25. He's proven quite a bit, and how he's proven it at in a short time span at a young age speaks volumes to his potential. Schneider won AHL Goaltender of the Year (Price came into the AHL at the end of regular season as a teenager, and carried the 6th place team in the conference to the Calder Cup...if he played a full season he would definitely get AHL Goaltender of the Year), and the Jennings as back-up on the Presidents Trophy winning team. Do not even compare Schneids to Price. They're both great goalies, but one has been tossed into pressure cookers early on, rather than extensively and meticulouy groomed, and still achieved more.

And how in the world is Price one of the top goalies in the nhl? Please just go look at his stats, and see for yourself. The one run MTL had he was sitting on the bench, and Halak carried them. They weren't much of a better team up front then but they went as far as the conference finals all on Halak's shoulders. When Luongo came here, we couldn't score for crap and had an average defense, but Lu carried us into a playoff spot. Price if he is worth 6.5mil, should on his own at MINIMUM make the habs a middle pack team, not a bottom feeder. I don't care how bad your team, if you have an elite top NHL goalie, you are not a 28th place team in the league. Elite goalies make your team at least a middle pack team guaranteed. Price doesn't have a mediocre team in front of him, he has a terrible one. When Roberto came, we had the p/g twins, Naslund, and BMo producing. Our top 5 scorers that year outscores Montreal's by a full 44 points, our top 10 by 90. The D corps wasn't spectacular, but Bieksa, Mitchell, and younger Ohlund and Salo are nothing to sneeze at. They played a tightly coached, defensive style. The Habs D past Subban and Gorges were either too green, too bad, or too injured and the Habs had serious coaching problems all season...they didn't even have a style to play, their system was in complete disarray. A closer comparison would be this Habs team to Robertos Panthers, who were always bottom of the barrel year after year. Yet he was still an elite goalie.

I am not saying Price is bad and isn't even worth 3mil, but he definately ain't worth 6.5mil. And just saying if people don't think he is overpaid or overated, how could anyone possibly say Luongo is overpaid? Because people are dumb or get defensive and bash Luongo, much like you're doing to Price right now.


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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:43 PM

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:43 AM

Give me a break! If Schneider at 26 is signed for 4 mil. for 3 years then Price at 24 is only worth 3 mil., Montreal is the true Goalie graveyard. Halak>Price

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:56 AM

I really don't care to get into a who is better argument.

I know if FLA or TO or any team had to pick between Price and Luongo.

Price would be picked ahead All day long.

Don't even try to compare playoff experience.

If Luongo never played a playoff game in the NHL I believe his value would be higher than it is today.

This isn't WWE cmpunk, this is reality.


5.3 vs 6.5 is a difference maker.

With Luongo you know what you will get in TO or FLA. If you think you have A Team in front of him, you get a guaranteed playoff spot. From there on it's a different story. Maybe even so spectacular play that it gets you a Cup, if he keeps it together.

Witch Carey Price you get huge potential down the road, but no real evidence of how good he is. With a good team in front of him you have the potential to do good, but not yet guaranteed success. In the playoffs he could also do well, but not sure about that either. Time will tell. Bailed out by Halak from time to time in the past. Like Schneider did for Luongo, but Lou has proven a lot more than him.

Not saying there is anything wrong with him, but your statement was incorrect or at least too steep.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:08 AM

5.3 vs 6.5 is a difference maker.

With Luongo you know what you will get in TO or FLA. If you think you have A Team in front of him, you get a guaranteed playoff spot. From there on it's a different story. Maybe even so spectacular play that it gets you a Cup, if he keeps it together.

Witch Carey Price you get huge potential down the road, but no real evidence of how good he is. With a good team in front of him you have the potential to do good, but not yet guaranteed success. In the playoffs he could also do well, but not sure about that either. Time will tell. Bailed out by Halak from time to time in the past. Like Schneider did for Luongo, but Lou has proven a lot more than him.

Not saying there is anything wrong with him, but your statement was incorrect or at least too steep.


I gotta agree with noheart, even taking into consideration cap hits, Price would be taken ahead of Loungo all day long based on a number of factors besides ability. Age and Lou's ten year contract being two of the biggest reasons. If you did watch Montreal last year you would realize that they would have easily have been the worst team in the league if it wasn't for Price, and will probably be in the same position again this year.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 09:11 AM

Halak carried them on his back to the conference finals not too long ago with Price on the bench, with pretty much the same small team.

Wiith Price they just finished dead last in the conference.

Now what?


lol what. The same thing happened to Luongo.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 09:43 AM

lol what. The same thing happened to Luongo.


Except luongo has taken us to the SC finals. Not bad for a guy with a cheaper cap hit than price, who couldnt carry his team that far. And locked up longer. IMO its really just a matter of opinion and funny how the people arguing for price come off as more insulting. Luongo has had a better career than price and I take Lu any day of the week. Just check the banners hanging in Rogers arena the last few years.

If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:26 PM

Except luongo has taken us to the SC finals. Not bad for a guy with a cheaper cap hit than price, who couldnt carry his team that far. And locked up longer. IMO its really just a matter of opinion and funny how the people arguing for price come off as more insulting. Luongo has had a better career than price and I take Lu any day of the week. Just check the banners hanging in Rogers arena the last few years.


You really are "short bus special" aren't you".
Do you think maybe having multiple Art Ross winners, Hart Trophy winner, Jack Adams winner, Selke winner all not named Lu had anything to do with team success?
People act like we were the Oilers or recent times and we sucked so bad before Lu, but seem clueless that 2 of the 3 years before he got here we were over 100 points and were 9th with over 90 the season before he got here.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:35 PM

You are comparing two totally different goalies. Luu with the western confrence champs, to mtl Price who missed the playoffs. A team that succeds to a team with 0 defence.

Everyone thinks LU is overated and overpaid, go look at Price's career stats, and now has a caphit of 6.5mil.

Price is overated. I don't understand how lots of people are saying this guy is team Canada's for sure choice for 2014 based on his numbers. Don't get the hype around this guy.

His best year: 2010-2011 - 38 wins, 8 SO, 2.35 GAA, .923 SV% With 8 SO's, his GAA is average

Luongo 2010-2011 - 38 wins, 4 SO, 2.11 GAA, 9.28 SV%, goes to the SCF

But yet LU is overated and overpaid, and Price isn't.....OK


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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:33 PM

lol what. The same thing happened to Luongo.


Point is Luongo took us to the finals last year. Schnieder got his chance this year but we only got 1 win out 3. Schnieder still hasn't had an actual chance being the starter to see if he can take us far. He will this year.

Halak and Price both had their chances. Halak took em as far as he could take them with the same team Price has.

All I'm saying is if everyone thinks he is worth 6.5mil which is considered an elite goalie, you do not finish in 15th place no matter how bad your team is upfront. I don't get how anyone can back up their point that he is worth 6.5mil. I looked at his stats and where his team finished last year. If those stats are worth 6.5mil with your team finishing in the bottom, then Johnathan Quick must be worth at least 12mil a season...
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:38 PM

I really don't care to get into a who is better argument.

I know if FLA or TO or any team had to pick between Price and Luongo.

Price would be picked ahead All day long.

Don't even try to compare playoff experience.

If Luongo never played a playoff game in the NHL I believe his value would be higher than it is today.

This isn't WWE cmpunk, this is reality.


Price has played playoff games. Go look at his record. Halak played playoff games with the same team. Look at his record.
Don't take my word it, just google their stats and then tell me what you think. If you still then think he is worth 6.5mil but Luongo is overpaid, then I feel sorry for you. Price is worth what Schnieder is worth right now. If he proves himself, maybe he will be worth 6.5mil.

You just don't like Lu, and would rather kiss a$$ to another teams goalie and put your own goalie down.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:15 PM

All I'm saying is if everyone thinks he is worth 6.5mil which is considered an elite goalie, you do not finish in 15th place no matter how bad your team is upfront. I don't get how anyone can back up their point that he is worth 6.5mil. I looked at his stats and where his team finished last year. If those stats are worth 6.5mil with your team finishing in the bottom, then Johnathan Quick must be worth at least 12mil a season...


Do you think Rinne is an elite goalie? He had one good season last year and cashed-in the following year.

Despite finishing last in the conference, Luongo only had a .02 better GAA and a .03 better SV%, than Price. Price also played 10 more games and faced 300+ more shots than Luongo. Not even Lundqvist could have done any better than what Price did this season with the Habs. They played like crap, and had to deal with a lot of off ice issues that might have effected on how they played.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:13 PM

Price has played playoff games. Go look at his record. Halak played playoff games with the same team. Look at his record.
Don't take my word it, just google their stats and then tell me what you think. If you still then think he is worth 6.5mil but Luongo is overpaid, then I feel sorry for you. Price is worth what Schnieder is worth right now. If he proves himself, maybe he will be worth 6.5mil.

You just don't like Lu, and would rather kiss a$$ to another teams goalie and put your own goalie down.


How do you justify that statement?

Price, at 24 has been Montreal's starting goalie for 4 years already, he's been an allstar 3 of those years and was on the nhl all rookie team in his first year. Schnieder, at 26, has started 68 games in the nhl as a back-up on a superior team, getting mostly the easy games. schnieder at this point ,for all intensive purposes is still just a prospect until he proves he can handle the pressure of being the starter. You can't possibly believe that they should be making the same money. If you do then I'm done here because you live in an entitrly different reality.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 12:06 AM

How do you justify that statement?

Price, at 24 has been Montreal's starting goalie for 4 years already, he's been an allstar 3 of those years and was on the nhl all rookie team in his first year. Schnieder, at 26, has started 68 games in the nhl as a back-up on a superior team, getting mostly the easy games. schnieder at this point ,for all intensive purposes is still just a prospect until he proves he can handle the pressure of being the starter. You can't possibly believe that they should be making the same money. If you do then I'm done here because you live in an entitrly different reality.


Just one question for you do you believe Luongo is overpaid and Price is not and is worth his 6.5mil? Thats all I want to know.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 12:36 AM

A bit high of a price to pay imo...

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 12:41 AM

Just one question for you do you believe Luongo is overpaid and Price is not and is worth his 6.5mil? Thats all I want to know.


How about you answer my question first. How do you justify saying Price and Schnieider should be paid the same given the VAST differences I outlined?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 01:00 AM

Just one question for you do you believe Luongo is overpaid and Price is not and is worth his 6.5mil? Thats all I want to know.


To answer your question. Luongo was PAID $10 million in 2010-2011-. He was PAID $6.714 million last season and will continue to be paid that amount for the next 6 seasons. The only reason his cap hit is lower is he Vancouver exploited a loophole in the CBA and tacked on an extra 4 years at a very low salary. In fact its the exact same sort of contract that the Devils got nailed to the wall for. So lets compare apples to apples shall we.

So if we're talking about what Luongo is being paid. I think he's maybe slightly overpaid right now but not substantially. But given he's on the wrong side of 30 I think that 3 or 4 years from now he will be seriously overpaid.

Price, on the other hand is 24 and should only get better. Yes, he's overpaid right now, but in 3 years when he would have hit ufa status $6.5 million for him will be a bargain. Montreal has locked down a young, very good goalie for 6 years, bought 3 of his ufa years, and paid a bit more to compensate for the higher taxes the players pay in Quebec. End of the day I think it's a fair contract for Price.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 01:02 AM

You really are "short bus special" aren't you".
Do you think maybe having multiple Art Ross winners, Hart Trophy winner, Jack Adams winner, Selke winner all not named Lu had anything to do with team success?
People act like we were the Oilers or recent times and we sucked so bad before Lu, but seem clueless that 2 of the 3 years before he got here we were over 100 points and were 9th with over 90 the season before he got here.


It's just as easy to say Lu contributed to those stats and trophies as well(i bet his teamates would agree). Fact is its a team game and everyone gets credit or takes the blame most of the time. That's why pointing the finger only at Lu even at his bad goals and breakdowns, straight fails.

The Canucks have been extremely successful since aquiring Luongo. And despite poor performances and injuries to our key players last season, we still made the playoffs. Daniel was out and where was our Selke winner you tout as carrying the team so much? I barely noticed him last season or in the playoffs. Was Kesler injured the whole time? Oh so was Lu on all his bad plays. So special short bus yourself, because I'm the one who's driving.

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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 07:03 PM

They put in a provision that Price is not allowed to team rope, but guess what Carey was doing two days after signing this deal?????

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 09:49 PM

He should get 6 years behind bars for not finishing off Thomas when he had the chance in their short lived "scrap"




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