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Poll: Which contract is better? (142 member(s) have cast votes)

Which contract is better?

  1. Widemann (11 votes [7.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.75%

  2. Garrison (131 votes [92.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 92.25%

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:53 PM

Garrison's a big defenceman who can shut people down and has some prized offensive qualities for a blue-liner (big shot and the ability to move the puck up ice). Lower cap hit.

Wideman's a great offensive d-man, but with suspect, inconsistent defence and a lack of physical ability.

So...YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH, MR. WIDEMAN!

Edited by Witchcraft and Sedinery, 02 July 2012 - 06:54 PM.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 06:59 PM

Wideman still seems underrated to me.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:04 PM

Garrison is a bad signing. Unproven. Should not be worth 4.6

All he does is shoot pucks t'd up by mccabe


What's wrong with that? He was asking something like $6M, well I would consider that a bit too much, but getting him for like $4.6M is not bad. He is just entering into his prime.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:06 PM

Depends what the team wants. We needed a physical shutdown defenceman and that's exactly what Garrison is, Calgary needs a puck-moving offensive defenceman and that's what they got in Wideman.

4.6 million is still a lot for a guy who scored 33 points, but the price for defencemen is skyrocketting these days.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:06 PM

Sedins and Edler

but obviously they don't compare to any of the Panthers.... ..

oh wait .
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:09 PM

this poll is definitely biased
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:12 PM

Garrison is better defensively. Wideman is more proven offensively.

I'd rather have Garrison as a partner for Edler.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:17 PM

Depends who you like better. Both contracts are ugly.

Wideman is way more proven as an offensive defenseman and will get you 40 points guaranteed. Calgary knows that. He gets the big contract. However he can't play a lick of defense.

Garrison is much less proven. The cap hit is a little lower but the term is scary all the same. According to Florida fans he is a solid, two-way defenseman with potenital offensive upside. He's more of what the Canucks need.

Both contracts are scary. Just depends who you prefer and if the players live up to expectations: Wideman push the offense, and Garrison be a steady presence in both ends.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:20 PM

They are both overpaid but Wideman's contract is safer by a country mile. He has a proven history and track record. You know what you are getting with Wideman. Garrison had a career year and hit the jack pot.

The 6 year term on Garrison's contract is risky but he will be tradeable after 4 years of his front loaded contract.


His salary is only front loaded, his cap hit remains exactly the same through his whole contract. So he will only be attractive to teams looking to hit the cap floor.

Edited by 5minutesinthebox, 02 July 2012 - 07:23 PM.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:28 PM

I'm just happy we have a good Canadian boy on the team , a few more and we are going to dominate the NHL again GO CANUCKS GO!!!!
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:35 PM

Garrison is a bad signing. Unproven. Should not be worth 4.6

All he does is shoot pucks t'd up by mccabe


No, not McCabe. Mostly Campbell and Versteeg. But they are passes that can be easily made by the Sedins and Edler.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 07:58 PM

Garrison is a bad signing. Unproven. Should not be worth 4.6

All he does is shoot pucks t'd up by mccabe


First of all, not McCabe. Campbell.
Second of all, it's a misconception that his points are a result of playing with Campbell, many of them came off simple tape to tape passes and one timers served up by anyone.
Third, he has a hard shot and puts it on net. If you actually watch, he is pretty good at scoring, especially on the powerplay.

Ignorant people will always write off a new player before they have a chance, particularly when this player is encroaching on a spot they think should be filled by a personal favorite, even when Suter has said he doesn't want to play in Canada.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:08 PM

Also should factor in Garrison had a career year playing along side Brian Campbell who set Garrison up for a lot of goals, who will set up Garrison in Vancouver?

That argument is so flawed, just watch the video of all his goals and you'll realize that all his goals were because of him, they weren't extraordinary passes or anything of that nature, it was just him and his booming shot. Imagine his goal totals WITH extraordinary passing from the Sedins. Yikes!
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:11 PM

His salary is only front loaded, his cap hit remains exactly the same through his whole contract. So he will only be attractive to teams looking to hit the cap floor.


That's how NHL contracts work. The salary gets front loaded to make the player happy and get him to sign and the cap hit is the AAV. It is not permitted to have a different cap hit on different years of the same contract.

In the last year of his contract Garrison would be making $2.5 million while his cap hit would be $4.6 mill. The reason it makes him more tradeable is because the majority of the contract is paid out. If Garrison flops and plays like a $3 million player rather than what he's actually earning over the next few years some team would be willing to take him on in the last year of his contract. If he flops and is making $4.6 mill in the last 2 years no team will take him.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:13 PM

Sedins ya maybe, but who says he plays with the Sedins on the top line or let a lone on the PP? Edler likes to shoot though, so that probably won't work out to well.


When we had the 'Hoff, Edler would always set him up for a pp goal, its not like he can't pass.
we would just have a dynamite tandem in our first pp unit.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:16 PM

People need to do some damn research on Jason Garrison.

The man is a better Defensive Defenseman than he is Offensively and seeing as all anyone talks about is his Offensive upside must mean we're getting the real deal.

This guy wipes Schultz and Wideman across the board currently. Matt Carle is the only other D-Man I was interested in beside the obvious and non-factor Ryan Suter.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:16 PM

What's wrong with that? He was asking something like $6M, well I would consider that a bit too much, but getting him for like $4.6M is not bad. He is just entering into his prime.



Would you consider Garrison to be in the same category as a Hamhuis? He is not entering his prime, just because a player is in the mid 20's does not mean he is entering his prime.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:44 PM

Also should factor in Garrison had a career year playing along side Brian Campbell who set Garrison up for a lot of goals, who will set up Garrison in Vancouver?


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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:04 PM

Hope he can do well. Let's hope its Garrison whose better.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:07 PM

He will be rock solid and with the talent on the Canucks he will have another Career year. Gillis rocks. 20 goal this year and remember you heard it here.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:08 PM

Wideman is all offence/puck-movement, not much grit or defence. Garrison, haven't seen him play much but sounds like he's a more well-rounded blueliner, maybe not as offensively dynamic except as a PP specialist. I think Garrison will not be asked to do as much as Wideman on Calgary as our defence is very deep, he's the fourth-best guy on the team, maybe lower depending how it plays out. He'll be put in good situations to succeed, I think.

Wideman's deal, I scoffed and then I laughed. Garrison's I said, that's pretty steep, but not unrerasonable given the market right now. I mean, Bryan Allen and Souray at 3.5 over four, or Kuba at 4 over two years, Garrison's deal is right in line.

Edit, Calgary also gave up a pick and a prospect just for the right to sign Wideman to that deal!

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:17 PM

A friend of mine used to train and play with him back on the Clippers, and says he is a monster. He played in Minnesota then at around 23 just found his game and took off. Sounds like a late bloomer with plenty of upside.

I like it, and so does they guy who played with him.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:21 PM

I like that Garrison had more goals. He'll get his assist numbers up just by playing in Vancouver, with the Sedins or not. I also like that he averaged over 23 minutes per game last year and still had a +4 rating. My hope is that they will find chemestry with a top 4 of Hammer, Bieksa, Edler and Garrison givern that 3 of 4 are lefties.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 09:22 PM

Id say its pretty equal.

Widemen is better IMO, but Calgary had to trade for him, plus give him more money.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:51 PM

I doubt that 20 plus teams were lining up for Wideman like they were for Garrison (Brad Zeimer on Sports Talk)

Plus an unbiased ratings scale on defencemen based on the quality of opposition played against, showed Dan Hamhuis first in the NHL, and Jason Garrison second. Webber was like 14 th.

People who say he's unproven are Negative Nancy's who have no faith in anything. Quite sad people really.
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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:53 PM

If Garrison turns out to be a bust, we should bench him for the first 15 minutes of a period, and then let him play the last 5 minutes straight. He's scored so many goals late in periods. I don't know if that's clutch, coincidence, him capitalizing on fatigued players or what.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:22 PM

Update - after 10% of the season (5 games) the stats are as follows:

Garrison - 5 games, 0 points, +2, 10 shots, 22:44 ATOI
Wideman - 4 games, 2 points, -1, 14 shots, 24:18 ATOI

I think it's still too soon to call. I'll update after 10 games.
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(shiznak@Jun 17 2008, 08:00 PM)
Kesler was lucky to score 20 this year since the injury to Morrison allowed him to do so.

I doubt Kesler would ever break 15 goals in his career again.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 10:50 AM

So, almost 1/3 of the way into the season and Garrison has 2 pts (23 shots), is +6 and averages 21:41 mins of ice time.
Wideman has 10 points (40 shots), is -2 and averages 25:12 mins of ice time.

I still like the Garrison signing, I just hope he is given the time and space to find himself on this team.
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(shiznak@Jun 17 2008, 08:00 PM)
Kesler was lucky to score 20 this year since the injury to Morrison allowed him to do so.

I doubt Kesler would ever break 15 goals in his career again.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 09:28 AM

After 2 years with their respective teams the numbers are:

 

Garrison  128 GP, 15 G, 34 A, 49 PTS, +15

Wideman   92 GP, 10 G, 33 A, 43 PTS, -24

 

I still think Garrison has the better contract.


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(shiznak@Jun 17 2008, 08:00 PM)
Kesler was lucky to score 20 this year since the injury to Morrison allowed him to do so.

I doubt Kesler would ever break 15 goals in his career again.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 09:32 AM

Garrison
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