zombieksa Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 To STL Ballard 5th To Van: 3rd I like Keith Ballard as a person but the team can not be paying 4.2M for a 3rd pairing D man who will likely see less than 18 minutes a game. I read around on boards, forums, blogs, etc. and one of the main things I see a lot of St. Louis fans saying is that they need a left sided partner for Pietrangelo. I believe that Ballard could be that player in a new city. He would get the opportunity to play with a budding NHL star on a defensively sound team that has a hard time finding offense, if Ballard can find his game again like he had in Florida this could actually turn out to be a steal for ST as he was sought after being known as an excellent puck-moving D man with a killer hip check (anyone who has watched STL games know he would fit right in with that gritty no room on the ice style of play) This is obviously a plan B move for St louis if they miss out (very likely) on Carle, Suter, etc. They have the cap space for Ballard and would still have room to re-sign Perron and Oshie. Vancouver opens up some cap space and can work on signing some 5-7th D men at reasonable cap hit while moving up in the draft. BUT those are just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Ballard is worth more than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombieksa Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 Ballard is worth more than that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I agree, but i think Gillis would be hard pressed to make any other GM's see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm all for trading Ballard as a cap dump, but even I think we don't do well here. I'd trade him straight up for a low 3rd rounder, but with a 5th for a high 3rd isn't enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombieksa Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 I would love to get Sobotka or Berglund out of St louis for a 3rd line center, but obviously more than Ballard would have to go the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Subban Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Ballard +Raymond+ Schreoder for Berglund and a 2nd round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I would love to get Sobotka or Berglund out of St louis for a 3rd line center, but obviously more than Ballard would have to go the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombieksa Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 I dont know, Ballard for Sobotka would probably be fair, they might do it especially since they have Tarasenko and Schwartz who are likely to crack there roster next year. They might want one more thing for Berglund though, but who knows I think there are some teams who have interest in Ballard so maybe the would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I like you, you think analytically and don't bash ever proposal you read, +1 to you good sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombieksa Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 Ballard +Raymond+ Schreoder for Berglund and a 2nd round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassian Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I believe we could pry a 2nd rounder from then considering how well they finished last year. I really like the proposal though. Next year is going to be a very deep draft - comparable to the 08' draft and the 10' draft. But we also get some cap space to sign Carle maybe? - I can only dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I dont know, Ballard for Sobotka would probably be fair, they might do it especially since they have Tarasenko and Schwartz who are likely to crack there roster next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 That would be a good deal. Not 100% sold on Sobotka being a legit 3rd liner, but he could certainly handle the burden while Kesler is out, and would be a great 4th liner once he is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombieksa Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 That would be a good deal. Not 100% sold on Sobotka being a legit 3rd liner, but he could certainly handle the burden while Kesler is out, and would be a great 4th liner once he is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I can see St. Louis interested in Ballard. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/morning-skate/if-free-agency-fails-blues-may-have-to-swap-offense/article_cdcbb938-c44a-11e1-b4e6-001a4bcf6878.html But I think you are really selling Ballard short. I know most VAN fans have convinced themselves that Ballard is not worth anything. But he is a quality Dman on the wrong team (unable to give him special teams time or RHD partner) and STL is the one with the need. Aim high. Crazy high. STL: Ballard VAN: Perron or Oshie or Polak Here's a rumour from before the Ballard to VAN trade - http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_hockey_panthers/2010/06/florida-panthers-more-from-l-a.html ***Word is the St. Louis Blues are interested in trading for Keith Ballard. I’m hearing center Patrik Berglund would potentially be available in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Visnovsky yielded a 2nd rounder, right? Ballard is worth about a 3rd or 4th straight up if we're just looking for a cap dump. Then with that 4 million, sign Kubina or Carle. Edler - Garrison Hamhuis - Bieksa Kubina/Carle - Alberts Tanev That's a cup-winning defence right there with physicality straight through the pairings. Ballard-Tanev is just not built for the playoffs, Kubina-Alberts is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sedin's 6th Sense Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 But I think you are really selling Ballard short. I know most VAN fans have convinced themselves that Ballard is not worth anything. But he is a quality Dman on the wrong team (unable to give him special teams time or RHD partner) and STL is the one with the need. Aim high. Crazy high. STL: Ballard VAN: Perron or Oshie or *Berglund* Point is, there's no reason to give Ballard away. Cap situation is fine. D injuries happen. If space is needed to re-up Edler & Burrows next season, then move him then. $4.2 mil/year will look pretty decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler's Nose Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Our D would take a hit if we trade Ballard, we need to add a D more than anything. Carle would not sign. He wants a top 4 role, not a bottom pairing. Remember it's his choice, he's a FA. Unlike Ballard, who got traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uber_pwnzor Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I know there is the whole CDC cliche of Ballard, Raymond+ for _____ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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