Luongos contract doesn't look so bad anymore...
Posted 04 July 2012 - 04:44 AM
Posted 04 July 2012 - 04:53 AM
Bobby only sucks relative to the goofy twelve year megabuck contract that Mike Gillis bestowed upon him. Bobby's agent got over huge on Gillis in that negotiation, rarely has an NHL GM been clowned like that in a contract negotiation in the cap era; the captaincy was the icing on the cake.
Bobby is a likeable enough guy, sure he has a big ego and a fragile psyche but he performs well enough in low pressure situations, it's the stress of high pressure situations like playoff tournaments that historically have given him the yips, but again, this is not something Bobby can change, it's just the way he is.. It was Gillis' job to do his homework and push back from the negotiations when things got goofy. It's ultimately Gillis who set this guy up to fail.
Can you imagine what would have happened had MG let Lou walk as a UFA?
He was our only elite player on the team. There would have been a linch mob out after him. The truth is Lou had MG by the short hairs just as he did with Nonis. Lou had all the bargaining power both times and both times he got a deal that was better than he deserved.
Posted 04 July 2012 - 09:43 AM
I didn't say he failed because he didn't get us a shutout in every game. I said he failed to keep us in games. Something Thomas did in every one of his losses to us. Thomas at least gave his team a chance. We didn't lose the finals because of Luongo. We lost because of injuries.
Injuries? You're really using injuries as an excuse? Come on. The Canucks lost because they got outplayed in pretty much every facet of the game. Boston had injuries too.
Posted 04 July 2012 - 09:53 AM
Especially with Suter...I wonder how he will play without Weber by his side...
Edited by Airjasper, 04 July 2012 - 09:53 AM.
Posted 04 July 2012 - 12:09 PM
Looks like a meeting of the Branch Luongians
Looks like He has always been a awesome goalie when in low pressure, but when the heat gets turned up, a big game loser.
Some wiki highlights
Luongo went on to win 14 of 17 playoff appearances in the QMJHL playoffs to lead Val-d'Or to aPresident's Cup championship and a Memorial Cup appearance. The Foreurs failed to win a game in the 1998 Memorial Cup tournament, however, and finished in last place.
He went on to lead the Titan to his second consecutive President's Cup championship with a 2.74 GAA in 23 games. He finished his QMJHL playoff career with the all-time league record in games played (56), minutes played (3,264:22), wins (38) and shots faced (1,808). His and Memorial Cup appearance in 1999. The Titan finished in last place, failing to win a game during the tournament.
I remember him being awesome in 1999, still a silver isn't 1st place is it?
Luongo made his international debut at the 1995 World U-17 Hockey Challenge in Moncton, New Brunswick, with Team Québec, winning bronze. Three years later, he was named to the Canadian national junior team for the 1998 World Junior Championshipsin Finland. He played backup to Victoriaville Tigres goaltender Mathieu Garon, going winless in three appearances with a 3.70 GAA, as Canada finished in eighth place. Luongo became the starting goaltender the following year at the 1999 World Junior Championships in Winnipeg, Manitoba, appearing in seven of Canada's eight games. He recorded a shutout in the first game of the tournament against the Czech Republic, making 36 saves in a 0–0 tie. He went on to help Team Canada to the gold medal game against Russia, but lost in overtime, surrendering a goal to Artem Chubarov. With a 1.92 GAA and two shutouts, Luongo was given Best Goaltender and All-Star Team honours.
Playoffs in Pro
2006-2007 CANUCKS 12 5 7 - 0 0 25 427 .941 1.77 847 2008-2009 CANUCKS 10 6 4 - 0 1 26 304 .914 2.52 618 2009-2010 CANUCKS 12 6 6 - 0 0 38 362 .895 3.22 707 2010-2011 CANUCKS 25 15 10 - 0 4 61 711 .914 2.56 1,427 2011-2012 CANUCKS 2 0 2 - 0 0 7 64 .891 3.59 117 NHL TOTALS 61 32 29 0 0 5 157 1,868 .916 2.53 3,717
Outstanding the first year of the playoffs, he did carry that team with low expectations
That was also 5 years ago, lets subtract that year and see what we get
08-12 Save % = 903.5 (Avg) GAA = 2.97
Career Reg Season
919% and 2.52
You think we should gamble the chance we have with this stacked team for a 5th year in a row? or do you think its time to walk away from the table.
If he stayed on FLA and never played a playoff game in his life he would have more value today.
The contract isn't the worst part of Luongo's value its his performance the last 4 playoffs.
And don't bring up the world cup and gold medals, pretty small body of his work.
the gold medal didn't silence his critics for a reason.
Posted 05 July 2012 - 02:26 PM
Every one of these threads seems exactly like the last one because no one ever says anything new. The people who don't like Luo continue to not. They'll continue to say he chokes in big games, and then find ways to explain away SCF shutouts and a gold medal on the world's biggest stage. The people who do like Luo will continue to point to everything he's accomplished and the amazing amount of stress (so much of it unnecessary, thanks fans!) that he's been put under and use that as an excuse for the times when he hasn't played well. No one's opinion ever changes. We're all just p*ssing into the wind as they say.
And the worst part is, as others have hinted at, we will never get off this merry-go-round ride. If Luo stays, it continues with him as the poster boy for the divide among fans. If he goes, we just change the paint and rename the ride but the same arguments will continue to go round and round because Schneider is good but he's not perfect. We've already seen him have a bad game (Calgary, anyone?) and be outplayed (but come on, Quick was awesome!)
The problem isn't the goalies, it's the fans. We think we have the right to expect perfection, even though it's not even possible. We think we have the right to demand our goalie is the best in the league at any given time, during any given game and that's just not going to happen. We're spoiled brats complaining every time we think another kid has a better plaything and never appreciate what we have. Sadly, that will never change and that is why fans here will never be happy with any team or any goalie. Even a SC will only silence the constant whine for a few weeks (if that long!) Some will complain the team could have won it "better," comparing our run to teams like LA, and others will go home from the parade and start posting about how they know we can't repeat the very next year because our team sucks.
The truth is, it doesn't matter what they do because the players will always fail to be more than human and the oh-so-human fans will continue to vilify them for that "sin."
Go Canucks Go!
Thank you VC!!!!!
Posted 05 July 2012 - 02:43 PM
The Canucks lost against LA because they couldn't score goals.
Yeah, a good goalie can win you games if you can score goals.
You can have the best goalie in the world and lose if you can't score any damn goals. It is NOT (always) Luo's fault.
Edited by Jagorim Jarg, 05 July 2012 - 02:46 PM.