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#1 dudeone

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 06:56 PM

Rand Paul Fetal Personhood Amendment Stalls Flood Insurance Bill (UPDATE)


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WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) moved this week to hold a noncontroversial flood insurance bill hostage until the Senate agrees that life begins at fertilization.


The bill, which would financially boost the National Flood Insurance Program on the cusp of hurricane season, had been expected to pass easily in the Senate. But since Paul on Monday offered an unrelated "fetal personhood" amendment, which would give legal protections to fetuses from the moment of fertilization, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is threatening to halt progress on the legislation.
"I'm told last night that one of our Republican senators wants to offer an amendment -- listen to this one -- wants to offer an amendment on when life begins," Reid said on the Senate floor Tuesday. "I am not going to put up with that on flood insurance. I can be condemned by outside sources; my friends can say, 'Let them have a vote on it.' There will not be a vote on that on flood insurance. We'll either do flood insurance with the amendments that deal with flood insurance, or we won't do it. We'll have an extension."
Reid has allowed Republicans to attach unrelated amendments to other important bills in the past few months. Most notably, he let the Senate vote on a contraception-related amendment, proposed by Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), to a transportation bill. But Reid called Paul's measure "ridiculous" and "outlandish," and asked Republicans to deal with him on "their side of the aisle."
Paul told reporters on Tuesday afternoon that he is "just trying to get a vote for people who elected me."
"Can you believe that they're exasperated with me?" he said, responding to criticism of his attempt to attach the unrelated amendment. "If [Reid will] give me a freestanding vote, I'll take a freestanding vote any time."
The highly controversial concept of fetal personhood raised by Paul's amendment could affect the legality of abortion, some forms of birth control, stem cell research and in vitro fertilization.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:03 PM

Just wow...

I wonder how many babies I've fathered.

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Once again the far right holding up bills that would genuinely protect people for some bat sh*t religious doctrine.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:08 PM

Here is a message from my avatar to rand paul , if you think a womans reproductive rights are inconsequent you're wrong .

Edited by puckinloveicehockey, 05 July 2012 - 07:09 PM.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 03:32 AM

Rand Pauls reply is what bothered me the most. His "why are people fed up with me when im just trying to be true to my constituents" is such complete and utter arrogant bull++++. He should be laughed out of office but will probably get re elected instead.

Id like to say American polititcs are total rubbish but our Canadian politics arent much better.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 01:31 PM

Wow way to highjack a bill that could help millions with political bullsh%t, this is just awful. Glad Ried took a stance on this crap of unrelated amendments but I was sad to hear he let others go to vote. Maybe I'm old fashioned but shouldn't the amendment actually have something to do with the main bill?
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 02:04 PM

What a dramatic display of radical political spirit! I applaud Paul for this move. If you have the conviction that life begins at conception, then you would do anything to see the rights of the vulnerable protected.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 02:37 PM

The title needs to be changed.

This is Rand Paul, a Senator in Kentucky:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_paul

This is Ron Paul, a member of the House of Representatives from Texas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 02:41 PM

The title needs to be changed.

This is Rand Paul, a Senator in Kentucky:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_paul

This is Ron Paul, a member of the House of Representatives from Texas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_paul

Rand Paul is Ron Paul's son. Which is what the title says.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 02:54 PM

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 03:46 PM

Rand Paul is Ron Paul's son. Which is what the title says.


You win this round.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 04:08 PM

What a dramatic display of radical political spirit! I applaud Paul for this move. If you have the conviction that life begins at conception, then you would do anything to see the rights of the vulnerable protected.


your kidding right? You would hijack a bill that could help potntially millions of futue flood victims right before huricane season, to further your political beliefs.I for one am disgusted by this.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 04:09 PM

What a dramatic display of radical political spirit! I applaud Paul for this move. If you have the conviction that life begins at conception, then you would do anything to see the rights of the vulnerable protected.


what a bunch of crap . the power hungry little turd would not know what the words ethics and morals mean . once more the church through it's political puppets are trying to disenfrachise women and take away their right to choose .
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:42 PM

Rand Pauls reply is what bothered me the most. His "why are people fed up with me when im just trying to be true to my constituents" is such complete and utter arrogant bull++++. He should be laughed out of office but will probably get re elected instead.

Id like to say American polititcs are total rubbish but our Canadian politics arent much better.


and I thought he was a Libertarian, how is being anti-abortion being libertarian?
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 11:34 PM

Wow way to highjack a bill that could help millions with political bullsh%t, this is just awful. Glad Ried took a stance on this crap of unrelated amendments but I was sad to hear he let others go to vote. Maybe I'm old fashioned but shouldn't the amendment actually have something to do with the main bill?


Well if you are 'old fashioned' then shouldnt you be supporting this ammendment? B)
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 02:29 PM

what a bunch of crap . the power hungry little turd would not know what the words ethics and morals mean . once more the church through it's political puppets are trying to disenfrachise women and take away their right to choose .


Which Church? Paul is Presbyterian, not Catholic.
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:43 PM

what a bunch of crap . the power hungry little turd would not know what the words ethics and morals mean . once more the church through it's political puppets are trying to disenfrachise women and take away their right to choose .


Do you really, honestly believe that people who are pro-life are only obsessed with controlling women and their bodies?

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:46 PM

Lol, Republicans... :picard:

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 02:33 AM

This is why I'm no fan of Rand Paul. He is a Senator, on the other hand, so no surprise there.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:36 AM

I heard about this, it's so ridiculous.

Republicans deny climate change and any regulations tied to it. They stall aid bills with crap like this. They fight to cut funding for emergency rescue services. And then they still blame Obama for the floods and wildfires that are wreaking havoc across the States.

Anyone who wants to vote for these clowns is delusional.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:42 AM

I heard about this, it's so ridiculous.

Republicans deny climate change and any regulations tied to it. They stall aid bills with crap like this. They fight to cut funding for emergency rescue services. And then they still blame Obama for the floods and wildfires that are wreaking havoc across the States.

Anyone who wants to vote for these clowns is delusional.

Wildfires are going to happen regardless (blaming Obama for them is stupid as he doesn't control climate), but as far as the political games and pointless pandering are concerned, Obama also pulled quite a bit of federal funding and assistance that would be used for firefighting.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:46 AM

Wildfires are going to happen regardless (blaming Obama for them is stupid as he doesn't control climate), but as far as the political games and pointless pandering are concerned, Obama also pulled quite a bit of federal funding and assistance that would be used for firefighting.


At the constant bid of the Republicans. (I will blame Obama for caving too easily on too many things, that is a flaw of his.) The Republicans have also rejected any proposal to increase funding. Also, here is a video:


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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:53 AM

At the constant bid of the Republicans. (I will blame Obama for caving too easily on too many things, that is a flaw of his.) The Republicans have also rejected any proposal to increase funding. Also, here is a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zNjKWw6z64&feature=plcp

Cenk convinced me there with his "hypocrite gene" theory. :lol: I do wonder sometimes about that possible gene..

This battle is petty though, and the masses will eat it up. It's unfortunate to me the intellectuals understand the hypocrisy laid out there by Malkin et al but then turn around and head for Obama like that's going to change anything. :(
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:55 AM

Cenk convinced me there with his "hypocrite gene" theory. :lol: I do wonder sometimes about that possible gene..

This battle is petty though, and the masses will eat it up. It's unfortunate to me the intellectuals understand the hypocrisy laid out there by Malkin et al but then turn around and head for Obama like that's going to change anything. :(


Haha yes I wonder about that gene too, a lot of human behaviour seems pretty inexplicable without it.

As to your 2nd point... effective modern day propoganda at its finest. Even when they can see through the BS, it still works on people.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:48 PM

Its hilarious how Rand Paul still cannot escape his dad's shadow. Just look at the thread title, instead of saying Rand Paul, its Ron Paul's Son.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 04:08 PM

What a dramatic display of radical political spirit! I applaud Paul for this move. If you have the conviction that life begins at conception, then you would do anything to see the rights of the vulnerable protected.


What and then turn a blind eye to the majority of crappy parents? You are living in a bubble. Pop it!
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 04:42 PM

What a dramatic display of radical political spirit! I applaud Paul for this move. If you have the conviction that life begins at conception, then you would do anything to see the rights of the vulnerable protected.


Actually one would think that Paul would think that people that live in areas prone to flooding should be holding their own flood insurance instead of having the whole country foot the bill for it. That he can kill it so effectively by attaching something else that is out of the mainstream is indeed one heck of a move!
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 10:15 PM

Its hilarious how Rand Paul still cannot escape his dad's shadow. Just look at the thread title, instead of saying Rand Paul, its Ron Paul's Son.


But it's understandable...
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 11:20 PM

What a dramatic display of radical political spirit! I applaud Paul for this move. If you have the conviction that life begins at conception, then you would do anything to see the rights of the vulnerable protected.


Yeah, nothing demonstrates one's love for "life" than the act of denying it to others. At least, that's what Rand Paul would have us believe. What a joke.

Next time I want to promote the urgency of doctor shortages, I'll hold massive and disruptive protests in front of my local emergency rooms and also pharmacies.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 11:35 PM

What a dramatic display of radical political spirit! I applaud Paul for this move. If you have the conviction that life begins at conception, then you would do anything to see the rights of the vulnerable protected.


Alright, so you can fly down to Florida after the next big hurricane, and explain to all victims families why their loved ones died.
"You see, Senator Paul values life at all stages, so to try and protect them as a fetus, your husband, your mother, and your 2 children are dead because we couldn't get aid in time. Trust me, it all makes sense in the grand scheme of things!"

Yes... Bravo Rand... Bravo... :sadno:
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 06:59 AM

and I thought he was a Libertarian, how is being anti-abortion being libertarian?


What is anti abortion ? I think the Conservatives call it 'pro life' .

Liberals call their view 'pro choice'

Thats what I recall anyways.

I don't think Rand Paul should be trying to shove something like this into an insurance bill . I think he can make his point be known without holding a bill hostage.

By the way, Rand Paul is a tea party guy, not a Libertarian. His dad is the Libertarian.

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ron Paul is still technically part of the GOP

Edited by Drybone, 13 July 2012 - 07:00 AM.

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