disisdayear Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 We're now in an environment when every hit (good or bad, clean or dirty) is expected to be followed up immediately with some form of retaliation or retribution. Good/clean hits are acceptable, even if it happens against one of the Canucks and you have to play through them and pick your spot as to when you're going to get some form of payback. That doesn't mean the team is soft and is not willing to stick up for each other. The stuff that the Marchands and Bollands of world (i.e., the "rats", without naming names as Burkie so eloquently put it) instigate is entirely different...this kind of stuff need to be dealt with instantaneously. No doubt Brown got the better of Henrik in the physical and agitation part of the game, but that is what Brown does. Henrik plays an entirely different style of game -- obviously both players have their respective strengths and it was evident in the opening round that Brown, with his style, was more effective than Henrik. Brown strikes me as a relatively honest player (though he was scolded by Doan for his dirty/questionable hit against one of the Yotes players) and he was a Conn Smythe candidate, so his agitating and stellar play was not just against the Canucks. In the first round against the Kings, the Canucks seemed to fall back to their old, bad habits (whining to the officials, diving, bad penalties, ineffective offensive play, letting 1-2 players from the opposing team get under their skin, etc., etc.), so the way I see it, it wasn't so much that the Kings schooled us, but moreso that the Canucks were ill-prepared and executed poorly. That's more of an internal Canucks issue that the team has to deal with and overcome in the upcoming season (I honestly thought we were over this, but obviously we aren't). Is this an on-ice leadership issue or a coaching issue or something else, or a combination of many issues? My belief is that it is a combo of many factors/issues, so the leadership group of Henrik, Daniel, Kesler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, Malhotra will have to take the part that they are responsible for and determine how they want to define themselves and the team on a going forward basis. This whole one vs. another, though great for summertime/off-season banter, is irrelevant...everything starts from within and filters and manifests itself onto on-ice performance and if they get it right, we should get the desired results we are looking for, which would be a long play-off run culminating in a Cup victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I love Henrik. Best captain we have ever had. This guy, along with his brother, has gone through way too much criticism at their early stages and rose to elite hockey player status. Along with Henrik's hockey skills and awards, the greatest is community contributions. No one has ever donated the amount of money Henrik and Daniel have to a very worthwhile charity. 1.5 M between the twins to Children's Hospital. Read the above sentence once again. Who does that? That happened a couple years ago and I was so impressed and astounded, it will forever make me think of these guys as a step above all. Linden & Naslund were great but Henrik is better. LA can have their Brown. I am more proud of Henrik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver1994 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Did Yzerman ever retaliate? Sacik? Linden? I don't know the answer but I am assuming not. It's always only the Eurocaptain that has to prove himself by showing moronic brutality and costing the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Wasn't there enough about this nearly three months ago when the hit actually happened? Why the new thread now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 They discussed the piss out of this on 1040 after the fact. Retribution. What the hell does that mean? Fight Brown? Nobody is going to fight him and he sure as hell wont fight you, especially not in the game. Mug him? Yeah, that makes sense in a game that we desperately needed to win. Bertuzzi him? Only if you want a lawsuit on your ass. Not saying the OP, but others. Apparently targeting Brown with legitimate clean checks isn't quite good enough anymore. Because anything else is crossing the line and is probably going to hurt our team more than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Murray Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Remember the elbow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Hockey Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Did Yzerman ever retaliate? Sacik? Linden? I don't know the answer but I am assuming not. It's always only the Eurocaptain that has to prove himself by showing moronic brutality and costing the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMacNamedDre Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 This is exactly how we should be responding. specifically from 2:30 on.... If i have to sit thru another year of watching the Kumbaya Canucks that don't fight for each other i am finding a new team. i blame MG as much as anyone for not putting the proper deterrents on the roster. i wanna see Volpatti+Kassian+Bitz+ one total animal. If only George Larouque / Donald Brashear were young and available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMacNamedDre Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Gretzky had Semenko Yzerman had Probert The Sedins have Raymond and Burrows. MG and the rest of you kumbaya types wonder why they get beat down and cheap shotted. if anything the game is getting more savage judging by` the first round of the playoffs are any indication. how many more concussions do the Twins have to take before a Lucic type is on their wing ? wake up Canuck management and get some serious monsters in the lineup or lose your fan base and your star players, besides.....any plug enforcer type will end up scoring 30-35 with D+H by parking himself in front of the net anyhow instead of Raymond flopping around in the corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 This is exactly how we should be responding. specifically from 2:30 on.... If i have to sit thru another year of watching the Kumbaya Canucks that don't fight for each other i am finding a new team. i blame MG as much as anyone for not putting the proper deterrents on the roster. i wanna see Volpatti+Kassian+Bitz+ one total animal. If only George Larouque / Donald Brashear were young and available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 -Retribution for what? Making a clean hit? -No way Sedin is gonna take out Brown. Brown is bigger, and tough as nails. Henrik responded in his own way: coming out and having a great shift soon after being hurt. Maybe someone else could have done it, but I don't think it would have been worth it in a playoff game, especially since it wasn't a cheap shot. For sure on a Keith-type hit, you go after the guy (assuming the hitter doesn't hide behind the refs like Keith did). But on a clean hit in a playoff game, you can't be running around looking for revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcfly Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Personally, I don't really like the hit. I agree it was a turning point. Somehow it seems dirty... but legal. Like he gets them right before they turn so there's no split second time to dodge it. Look at his hit on Parise. It's basically the same. Though it's an unreal skill for timing, he's definitely got it down. Also he's choosing to do it on guys who don't hit hard. Seems cheap. Then again, it's the playoffs. Someone should have knocked his head off for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABurrows14 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 To start things off, I am in no was bashing our leadership group. Henrik Sedin is as classy, honest, and fair as Captains get. The leadership he showed after the Brown hit was akin to Trevor Linden. However, when I saw our Captain get hit by their Captain I knew that was perhaps a turning point in the series. What got me upset even more, is the non-response from our team AFTER the hit. Who went looking for retribution after the hit? I didn't see any. Now, I do understand that the coaches dictate player performance and behaviours on the ice and that might have been the message sent ("just play hockey guys, focus on the game, etc...) But, in my opinon, I would have loved our Captain to have taken out the other Captain in the same manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABurrows14 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Personally, I don't really like the hit. I agree it was a turning point. Somehow it seems dirty... but legal. Like he gets them right before they turn so there's no split second time to dodge it. Look at his hit on Parise. It's basically the same. Though it's an unreal skill for timing, he's definitely got it down. Also he's choosing to do it on guys who don't hit hard. Seems cheap. Then again, it's the playoffs. Someone should have knocked his head off for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagorim Jarg Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABurrows14 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 -Retribution for what? Making a clean hit? -No way Sedin is gonna take out Brown. Brown is bigger, and tough as nails. Henrik responded in his own way: coming out and having a great shift soon after being hurt. Maybe someone else could have done it, but I don't think it would have been worth it in a playoff game, especially since it wasn't a cheap shot. For sure on a Keith-type hit, you go after the guy (assuming the hitter doesn't hide behind the refs like Keith did). But on a clean hit in a playoff game, you can't be running around looking for revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagorim Jarg Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Buddy I called this EXACT situtation on here two years ago and was flamed, so I guess I have a bit of hockey knowledge, not to mention the 4 years I played in the OHL idiot. I have more hockey knowledge in my left toe than you have in your entire being. FInished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcfly Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Cheap? The guy is hitting the opposition's best players, intimidating. That's contact sport. I love this guy. In fact I was pissed that he came free after the trade deadline and we didn't get him (remember the rumours he was available? Well they were true and he was offered to Van -fact. I don't know what the asking price was (probably too high). Clean hits are part of hockey, one of the best parts. Dustin Brown plays with spirit, heart and he plays an honest/clean game for the most part. He is a terrific leader, and now a champion. We should only dream of having a guy that brings it like he does in the playoffs. His play was like Kesler 2.0 but a whole 4 series full of it not one or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I don't see it so clean cut as legal hit - no retaliation illegal hit - shinnanigans Some dirty plays are best answered with a PP goal, dominant play, facewash and gentle slash. Others should bring a hefty consequence. Just the same, a legal check can't always be ignored because it was legal. The intent to injure can just as easily exist in a clean check as an illegal one. Bottom line, Brown saw Hank engaged, lined him up from a track like distance and nailed him. No doubt in my mind he passes on that hit if it's anyone other than H.Sedin. I can see him running Hanks head through the board had he not turned around at the last second. He took the risk of a major penalty, possible serious injury and a suspension, but Brown new a twinless Canucks is a swept Canucks. That to me is no cleaner than Keith on Daniel, the only difference is that the league leaves him on the ice for us to exact our own justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABurrows14 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 it's past your bedtime and you still haven't answered the question, big man, who did you play for? Prove you have more hockey knowledge than a curling stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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