EmployeeoftheMonth, on 10 July 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:
I think she made a pretty good case actually you just don't seem to want to acknowledge it.
Oh I hate when you do that!
Bertuzzi Babe, on 10 July 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:
Scorp, Scorp, Scorp........
Why is it that you refuse to allow anyone the right to evolve in their thinking and beliefs? You are a great believer in evolution, are you not? Or is that belief only tied to the progression of apes to modern man a'la Darwin?
1. any process of formation or growth; development
2. a product of such development;
3. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, andgenetic drift.
4. a process of gradual, peaceful, progressive change or development, as in social or economic structure or institutions.
5.a motion incomplete in itself, but combining with coordinated motionstoproduce a single action, as in a machine
You have been very quick to judge others in any religion vs well, pretty much everything else debate yet despite your lobbying and perceived wish to change other's thinking, you only seem to jump all over them and accuse them of hypocrisy when they do.....change their thinking or belief. You can't have it both ways, my friend, as you only end up confirming what many believe about your posts in religion based topics..........that you participate only to hack and denigrate anyone who believes as a Christian regardless of how many concessions or admissions they may make regarding changes in their beliefs.
The pendulum swings both ways and it is possible to be a Christian and not believe 100% in the literal written word of the Bible. To be a rational, educated Christian who understands that the Bible was written for uneducated people of the times and in many ways, was a tool to control the masses. The Bible also lays out many basic truths and lessons for living a good, productive and healthy life wherein we treat others with respect, kindness and common decency.
You and other non-believers have stated many times that you don't need no damned ancient book and religion to teach you to be a better person. But when I look at the posts in this thread (and in years past, the God thread) it is only the non-Christians I see throwing stones, attacking a man's character and bringing his family into a debate on a bloody hockey board. It's beneath you, Scorp. I've always believed that you're much smarter than this. The Christian(s) in this debate have taken the high road, not resorted to name calling and have avoided stooping to the level of those who cannot seem to understand that the religious beliefs of those who believe in God that post here don't affect your life in any way, shape or form. Perhaps some lessons could be taken from this.
Unfortunately, the hypocrisy I'm seeing in this thread is not coming from Christians, it's coming from the 'anything but religion' crowd.
I congratulate Heretic on his love for his daughter regardless of sexual orientation, for not allowing others who want to throw bricks or allowing religion to dictate the entirety, the complete reality of his life........after all, isn't this what anyone, regardless of religion or non-religion should aspire to? Non-judgmental love for a child, for others, acceptance, common respect, treating others as you would like to be treated yourself?
Some in this thread may not think they need some damned ancient book to show them how to behave, that a belief in Christianity is all or nothing but that is simply not the case. It's more than obvious by the posts in this thread alone, that the lessons of common respect and acceptance of differences in others don't seem to have been found much in the life of some non-believers. Smart Christians, intelligent Christians, knowledgeable Christians are not sheep despite what a good number of non-believers (some of them in this thread) believe.
I'm not refusing to acknowledge Heretic's growth, the evolution of his beliefs, because I simply don't think he is to be credited for this. I may be wrong, but here we have a guy who thought gays chose to be that way and were against what god wants (you know, what the other guy couple of pages back explained), and yet because he has a gay daughter (and I am convinced he found out not too long ago, because we'd have certainly heard about it plenty by now, but this is the second time in the last two months I read about it), his views have recently changed dramatically. Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. And maybe if he was poor he'd be a liberal advocating for social spending instead of being the opposite.. /gasp
Remember this post?
Heretic, on 19 January 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:
The ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER
This one is a little different....
Two Different Versions ....
Two Different Morals
The ant works
Hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
Thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the ant is warm
And well fed.
The grasshopper has
No food or shelter, so he
Dies out in the cold.
MORAL OF THE OLD STORY:
Be responsible for yourself!
The ant works hard
In the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house
And laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant
Is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper
Calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be
Allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.
CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN,
And ABC show up to
Provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper
Next to a video of the ant
In his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
America is stunned by the sharp contrast.
How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper
Is allowed to suffer so?
Kermit the Frog appears
With the grasshopper
And everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not EasyBeing Green...'
Occupy the Anthill stages
A demonstration in front of the ant's
House where the news stations film the SEIU group singing, We shall overcome.
Then Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Has the group kneel down to pray for the grasshopper's sake,
While he damns the ants.
President Obama condems the ant
President Bush 43, President Bush 41, President Reagan, Christopher Columbus, and the
For the grasshopper's
Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid
Exclaim in an interview with Larry
King that the ant has
Gotten rich off the back of the
And both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.
Finally, the EEOC drafts
The Economic Equity &
Retroactive to the beginning of
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number
Of green bugs and,
Having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government GreenCzar
And given to the grasshopper.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper
And his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house,
Crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.
The ant has disappeared in the snow, never to be seen again.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken
Over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the ramshackle, once prosperous and peaceful, neighborhood.
The entire Nation collapses
Bringing the rest
Of the free world with it.
MORAL OF THE STORY:
Be careful how you vote in 2012.
So you see, poor people danced the summer away and when the winter came, they should have died, but because of OBAMA the entire nation collapsed.
For you to say that I jump all over them all constantly you'd have to show me a post where one changed his mind first. In my recollection this is the first post of its kind. Super19 has been commended before for understanding certain things, for growing as a person; surely you aren't suggesting that I apply the same brush to everyone regardless of their actions. Much respect was shared between myself and Glen, but no... I'm a prick who hates people who disagree with him! I don't like people because they as people give me reason not to. Although I'll admit to making mean comments occasionally that are not deserved, I think the fact I've apologized to you and others publicly indicates that I can be a big person when I'm wrong.
No, the pendulum doesn't swing both ways, religion isn't (presumably) a deck of cards where you pick the ones you want. There are people who study the bible who come to very different conclusions than Heretic, who hopefully finished reading it finally. And sure, there are educated, rational Christians who see right through it... I bet Canuckerbird is one... they puzzle the hell out of me, especially because my mom is smart, educated-a civil engineer, fashion designer, and poetry writer who said to me, "Did you know most actors in Hollywood are Satanists? They wear red bracelets to show it. And have you seen them do the devil horns?" Just because people are able to get educated doesn't mean their critical thinking skills are where they should be. Heretic is a programmer. My friends think I'm a genius because I can install Windows on a computer. What does that tell you about the average person? In other words, to be a programmer one must possess some brainy qualities. Just maybe not critical thinking?
For me to be a hypocrite I'd have to first claim to be against rock throwing, or that I'm a better person, or any other list of nonsense that I don't. I don't have beliefs I have to adhere to in order to rightly call myself "atheist". But I can point out when people say dumb things. There's a guy in this thread making longer posts than this talking about atheists hating religious people, for crying out loud. Well at least we can agree that he's not throwing a rock, more like tripping over himself head first into the glass.
EotM, do I have to continue this? I defended my take on Heretic and my behavior in general before. This is a waste of time. I don't say things I can't explain. Hell, I check the spelling of certain words just to make sure I don't read like most of CDC.
No I don't like some people yes I have good reasons, no I don't really
care. I just don't have anything better to do yet.