You make good points, he's risky no doubt. And he hasn't done much.
But I disgaree about Raymond losing his offensive instincts (and I am a huge Raymond hater) You sort of right but He still has the hands, and he actually has good hands, he has the offensive IQ he just does stupid stuff or atleast it seems stupid, but his style of play and skillset could valuable, he just needs the right fit, and we don't have that fit for him, but he could maybe fidn it on your team, just put him with Weiss and he should be good.
And Mattias could be deemed as expendable, since you guys have some young players expected to make the jump soon, like Huberbeau, Bjugstad, Howden. We might get one of either Bjugstad or Howden but still Huberbeau might make the just aswell as the one we don't get and if one or both do you will need spots for them.
We have plenty of room (lost a lot of forwards to UFA), so Matthias isn't really expendable. To put it bluntly, Raymond does do stupid things on offense. He won't be effective until he corrects that, though it may be a confidence issue.
i would like to hear your take on these deals:
theodore, bjugstad, versteeg
theodore, bjugstad, and upshall
I'm going to assume this is for just Luongo. If Versteeg is moved, I'd like for the Panthers to get Schroeder as well, not sure how highly Canucks fans value him though. Vancouver probably underpays in the one with Upshall.
Never the less, you avoided answering the question.
It was likely rhetorical.
Funny thing is We (Canucks) are in the drivers seat for this trade not you guys (Florida). You will give up what we want for Lou.
Im sick of makin trades with Florida. I hope a trade never happens with them
I doubt that Tallon is going to ludicrously overpay for Luongo. However, someone made a point about the Panthers needing to sell tickets, which is true. So you may be right, depends on what the Panthers ownership group thinks.
No one (including Tallon and Gillis) cares what you have to say so why should we care who you "want"? its a hockey deal and the GM's have a million times more information on players than either you or I do and could have a very different opinion on someone like Raymond than you think. Why don't you stick to the Florida message board.
Nobody cares? Seems to be generating a fair bit of discussion. Obviously Tallon and Gillis don't care what a random kid thinks. Oh, and the Panthers boar dis devoid of life.
funny cuz it's true...? lool
What's true? The Canucks have better prospects than the Panthers, or that Raymond is more valuable than Matthias? The Raymond thing, perhaps. Do some research on your prospects though. Huberdeau > Any Canucks prospect.
I am interested in hearing from a Panthers fan. You have told us what you wouldn't give. What would you offer?
I'm not great at proposals, but:
Bjugstad/Howden (whichever the Canucks would prefer)
possibly a pick (depends which forward is moved)
Or maybe add Versteeg and Schroder from their respective sides.
Edited by Kazakh Man, 08 July 2012 - 06:02 PM.