Smashian Kassian Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 We have plenty of room (lost a lot of forwards to UFA), so Matthias isn't really expendable. To put it bluntly, Raymond does do stupid things on offense. He won't be effective until he corrects that, though it may be a confidence issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I don't think its an over payment at all, infact I think it would take more than that, but Gudbranson literally has Pronger potential and I believe both Tallon and Gillis know that. Also were not giving up much if you consider what these prospects are likely to do, Sauve - potentially a 3rd pairing dman in FLD, however in Van its going to take at least a couple more years of grooming in the AHL with how many dmen we have locked up long term. Same with Rodin and Connauton, people need to understand that were not going to get the players we want without giving up equal value, that's just how hockey trades work. And the good thing about giving up prospects at this point is that we can get players back who will make an immediate and significant impact while not diminishing the starting roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHawkSniper Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Incorrect punctuation. You're asking a question, so a question mark should be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Panthers fan here. You're not getting Kulikov (Well, you shouldn't be). And we do not want Raymond or Ballard. You're funny. You are also funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP-4815162342 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 To van Theodore Versteeg 1rst To fla Luongo Raymond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Doughty Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 If we didn't trade for Ballard, we could have had Howden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Just glad you have no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 TO VAN: Theodore Matthias Bjugstad TO FLORIDA: Luongo Raymond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truman Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 To van Theodore Versteeg 1rst To fla Luongo Raymond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_9 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Well lets see this is probably the way the value goes. Luongo = Gudbranson Raymond > Skille Sauve + Rodin + 1st > Clemmensen Even if you think Gudbranson is worth more than Luongo, then you add something in from the Clemmensen part, but still we lose the deal, in alot of ways. It will probably take an overpayment to get Gudbranson but at this point I don't think we are in a position to overpay like that. I would rather keep what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 All the Canucks needs is a couple of good Mexicans up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I think Tallon is trying to keep his prospects at all cost. Bjugstad seems like a lock for a top 6 NHL role in the near future. I'd say Howden is more likely to come back, if any. Theodore, Matthias, Howden for Raymond, Luongo. ( I think MayRay would do a lot better in Florida than he does here.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaunce Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Does anyone know anything about Bjugstad? All I know is that he's a center, a righty, and 6'4". What's his potential? 1st/2nd line center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Your evaluation is clearly not very accurate, Skille is just as good a skater as Raymond but bigger and grittier and can play the bottom 6 role much better than Raymond would be able to. I would say that skille > Raymond And I would say Lu + 1st + Sauve + Rodin = Gudbranson + Clemmensen And why exactly is it that you want to keep Sauve and Rodin? neither have over whelmed in any testing or in the minors but both are young enough that increased ice time and a greater oppourtunity in Florida might just be what they need to crack the NHL. If we kept them there is a much less likely chance of them ever making the NHL let alone our roster, in fact I'm willing to bet that Rodin never makes the Canucks and Sauve doesn't play more than 3rd pairing minutes. And I'd be willing to bet that Gudbranson would come to Van and turn into Pronger reborn, or at least very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 There is nothing in Florida worth having. We have a much better team and much better prospects so either keep luongo or send him somewhere where thay have something worth trading for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surtur Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Leaf fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwilliam Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I'm not great at proposals, but: Bjugstad/Howden (whichever the Canucks would prefer) Theodore Goc/Matthias/Upshall possibly a pick (depends which forward is moved) for Luongo Or maybe add Versteeg and Schroder from their respective sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwilliam Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Come back, as in return to the Nucks? Didn't the draft pick that was part of the Ballard deal end up being Howden? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danthecanucksfan Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 let's hope we can make a VAN-TOR trade happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucksh Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 How is Kulikov behind Bjugstad..... just shows people know nothing on this site. They all just follow the crowd and pick what others are talking about. Kulikov has played in the NHL for 3 years now, and hes only 21. Howden and Bjugstad are less than 2 years younger and they havent played in a single NHL game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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