Losing With Pride Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 If Radulov is making 9 Million in the KHL, Semin could easily get 7 million in the KHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyosama Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Kovie and Semin on the same line? I feel bad for the defense and goalie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttock Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Semin has scored 197 goals in 469 games played, that's 0.42 goals a game (average of a 35 goal pace per season) Parise has scored 194 goals in 502 games played, that's 0.38 goals a game. Semin has scored 408 points in 469 games played (0.87 points per game) Parise has scored 410 points in 502 games played (0.82 points per game) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RXnucks975 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 From what I read yesterday: Here's another possible reason Alexander Semin hasn't signed with an NHL team yet, one that has nothing to do with the Russian forward's much-maligned work ethic. "Pretty obvious what's going on with Semin," Slava Malamud, foreign correspondent for Russia's Sport-Express and an NHL.com contributor, tweeted late Saturday. "He has a KHL offer (from CSKA), wants the same or more in the NHL, not getting it. Won't get it." He won't if the still-unconfirmed terms Malamund cited in a subsequent tweet -- three years, $30 million -- are anywhere close to accurate. - Doug McIntyre I doubt that any NHL team will match an offer of that Money, and It seems that Semin is about the C.R.E.A.M. get the money dolla dolla bill y'all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I agree that Parise is overrated, but that doesn't mean Semin will fully replace him. It might not happen this way, but i can see Semin infecting Kovy with apathy just like he's infected OV with apathy, post-big contract. Semin's qualcomp will also likely go up. NJ doesn't shelter their stars as much as Washington has over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyking Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Take out Parise's rookie season where he only scored 14 goals in 82 games and the stats look a little different and are more relevant to what kind of players these guys are now, don't you think? Parise is a more consistent scorer especially more recently. Parise's goals over the last six years: 31, 3, 38, 45, 32, 31. Consistent 30 goal scorer and 82 game player except for one basically lost season. Semin's goals over the last six years: 21, 28, 40, 34, 26, 38. Streaky and injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttock Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 You can't exactly compare taking Semin's worst season and Parise's worst (full) season out, because one was six years ago, his rookie year, whereas Semin's most recent season (the one in which DownUndaCanuck said he carried his team?) is more likely to say something about what kind of player he is today. Semin broke out in his rookie year but his career is streaky. Parise has been a consistent 30 goal scorer since his 2nd year in the league and his highs are higher than Semin's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyking Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 You can't exactly compare taking Semin's worst season and Parise's worst (full) season out, because one was six years ago, his rookie year, whereas Semin's most recent season (the one in which DownUndaCanuck said he carried his team?) is more likely to say something about what kind of player he is today. Semin broke out in his rookie year but his career is streaky. Parise has been a consistent 30 goal scorer since his 2nd year in the league and his highs are higher than Semin's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 There are unconfirmed reports yesterday that CSKA offered 3 years and $30 million to Alexander Semin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttock Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 calm down man i was showing how stats are easily manipulated Parise is better but Semin isn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be It doesn't mean what he is today he could have just have an off season sorry if I offended you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Unless if Mike Millbury was still a GM, then he'd take Semin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 You are a moron, Semin is a floater who tries only when it is in his interest. Parise has not only more heart and fore checks like a mofo, he is more skilled and has strung together far more impressive stats then Semin. Semin Sucks its why he has not gotten a contract no one wants to shell out money for this soul sucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raph Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Kovie and Semin on the same line? I feel bad for the defense and goalie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 they need someone who can replace parise and they don't want to trade for nash or ryan so semin is the next best option for them but I would try to give him a 5year deal for 3.25million per year if doan doesn't sigh here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Two places I see Semin fitting. NJ and Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Kovalchuk is an excellent 2-way player and one of the more complete players in the league. He plays in all special teams and all situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Take out Parise's rookie season where he only scored 14 goals in 82 games and the stats look a little different and are more relevant to what kind of players these guys are now, don't you think? Parise is a more consistent scorer especially more recently. Parise's goals over the last six years: 31, 3, 38, 45, 32, 31. Consistent 30 goal scorer and 82 game player except for one basically lost season. Semin's goals over the last six years: 21, 28, 40, 34, 26, 38. Streaky and injury prone. Averaging 65 points eh? Parise's points over the last six years: 69, 6, 82, 94, 65, 62. Go ahead and average that into 65 if you want. Semin's points over the last six years: 54, 54, 84, 79, 42, 73...and you think Semin is more consistent?? You're the one who is either clueless or new to following this kind of thing. +/- doesn't really measure defensive ability. In fact it is a completely useless statistic in isolation when comparing two players on the same team, let alone on different teams. It doesn't make a distinction between the plus you get for being on the ice when a goal is scored and the minus you get for being on the ice when scored against, and it doesn't account for the different roles players play. And it doesn't take into account that entire teams will have different +/- based on their even strength goal differential, where the Caps have been pretty good the past few seasons. Take a look at the +/- for Capitals in general. Anybody who watches Caps games knows he's a floater, come on, give me a break. Anybody who watches these two players regularly will tell you Parise is better and it's not close, though many think Semin has the potential to put up much bigger numbers than he has, because he's an underachiever! You are a silly person. Care to hazard a guess why the same hype does not exist around Semin? It's probably because most NHL GM's and pro scouts know something you obviously don't. I mean how telling is it that Detroit and New Jersey are interested Semin because they failed to sign Parise? You and Mama Semin are maybe the only people on the planet who think he is a better player. Parise is very much a superstar. He is a very special player who is gifted offensively, great in all three zones, and every bit as effective away from the puck as he is with it. He is a born winner and Minnesotans should be and are rightly stoked about this signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbo Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 That would be interesting, but alot of teams have. Imagine. Kovalchuk - Zajac - Semin They should just trade and get a Russian center too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghorneslimRules Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 You are wrong. Semin has better stats than Parise over their careers. Semin even has a better +/-. They have nearly identical numbers but Semin has attained them in about 30 less games. Their goals , assists and points are almost the same. Both players have nearly the same play off numbers as well. Semin is one of the most skilled players in the world. Parise is not more skilled than Semin. http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=64573 http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=71418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Firstly, no one on CDC has the right to comment on an NHL player's drive, motivation or attitude. Not even commentators or sports writers have that right, because no one but the players and coaches knows what goes on in the locker room. People called out Semin for being a "locker room cancer" and not playing well in the big games is just unfair, because he was one of the best forwards this last off-season and carried the Capitals - without him they wouldn't have made a push at all. Secondly, you're either really bad at maths or just plain ignorant so I'm going to dumb this down for you and walk you through it nice and slowly. Semin trumps Parise in just about every offensive stat: Semin has scored 197 goals in 469 games played, that's 0.42 goals a game (average of a 35 goal pace per season) Parise has scored 194 goals in 502 games played, that's 0.38 goals a game. Semin has scored 408 points in 469 games played (0.87 points per game) Parise has scored 410 points in 502 games played (0.82 points per game) Already even you can see - Semin is quite simply a better scorer than Parise, there's no denying it. More importantly, Semin put up these numbers despite playing a lesser offensive role behind the stars like Backstrom and Ovechkin (he rarely played on their line and was often on the 2nd line). Meanwhile Parise was enjoying 1st line time and top unit powerplay opportunities. Despite that, Semin's powerplay points are far greater than Parise's. Now defensively for those of you who think Semin's downfall is "poor defensive play" and laziness in his own zone, Semin is a career +65. What's most impressive is that he really fixed up his game after his 3rd season in the NHL and is a rediculous +92 in his last 277 games. Meanwhile Parise is a career +57, but has been inconsistent his whole career. More importantly, Parise is backed by one of the best defensive teams in the league with the best goaltender to play the game, whereas Semin has had to put up these great +/- numbers despite a brutal defensive system and leaky goaltending. Based on all of that it is fairly easy to see that Semin is hands-down, by far the more skilled player. Watching the games and watching his skillset helps, but the numbers really prove it. All Parise has over Semin is his physicality, hardworking nature and isn't injured as much, but in terms of offence and defence the Devils would be better off with Semin. Sure Parise is a better "leader" it seems, but again we have no idea what goes on in the locker room and who is the one who stands up and gives inspiring speeches - for all we know the 3rd pairing defenceman could be giving the inspiring talk before overtime. As for the Parise "hate", I am not hating on him at all. He is a bonified top-line winger in the NHL, but the love everyone gives him is rediculous. He is nowhere near close to what his cap hit is showing up at over 7 million, and quite frankly isn't a superstar in the league. He had 1 great 45 goal season, but apart from that has been averaging around 65 points over 4 seasons. This is just free agency hype, don't buy into it completely and try to keep some perspective around the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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