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#1 TheWheeler

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:00 PM

One extremely frustrating aspect of Vancouvers game this year for me was the powerplay, especially in the playoffs. That drop pass absolutely infuriated me.

Ya, it was effective in the regular season, but it seemed like it got figured out really easily come playoffs.

So I was wondering, do you think there will be a change to our powerplay structure this year?

And also, would it be better for the team to NOT put all our big guns on the first unit (Sedins + Kesler) and have Kesler actually center the 2nd unit?

Let's discuss!
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#2 Jägermeister

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:06 PM

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"Pass to Garrison, Slap Shot... SCORES!"
This will probably be our biggest change.

Edited by Jagermeister, 08 July 2012 - 11:06 PM.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:09 PM

Looks like we only have 2 or 3 ways to enter the zone on the PP in this preference:

1) Drop pass at center ice to a streaking forward who busts through the defence.
2) Pass from center to Daniel standing at the blueline who walks the puck in (actually our most successful, safest option)
3) 2nd powerplay unit (rarely) dumps the puck and chases from the blueline.

The Canucks are becoming less of a skilled puck-possession team lately and more of a grinding, tough team with plenty of powerforwards, so I'd like to see us dump the puck more often, chase hard and win puck battles down low. This is because if the focus is on the puck behind the net, it's just one pass to the blueline and we have a golden scoring chance with a defenceman practically wide open at the point who, if it's Garrison, is almost guaranteed to score.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:09 PM

agreed op.. drop pass is sick once in a while but every time its pretty obv.. if it was me id thro kassian in front of the net on the first unit and let kes man the 2nd unit..
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:12 PM

I said it before and I will say it here... stop that stupid drop pass! It no longer works. Every other team is waiting for us to do it and they pounce on it. Time for something else.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:16 PM

Use this PP:

Daniel - Kesler - Henrik (either Kes or Hank can play center)
Edler - Garrison

- Daniel and Henrik control it all and move the puck.
- Kesler works infront of the net
- Garrison is open for the big shot
- Edler can work with the twins and move the puck around, he also has a big shot

We should try different things for our breakouts, dump-in, drop passes, passing to the side then moving in.

Just don't do the same one repeatly, change it up so the teams don't know what to expect, I wouldn't mind more dump-in's though.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 08 July 2012 - 11:17 PM.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:22 PM

The drop-pass play isn't dumb...just easily figured out by other teams b/c of its high frequency in recent memory. If we do this once every few games, it's really effective and keeps everyone guessing...I think the dump-&-chase should be used often (most easily executed, and sometimes, it's the more simpler play that works), along with at least 2 other entry plays, reserving the drop-pass when we really need it.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:23 PM

One problem is when they put Kesler on the first unit he spends most of his time standing in front of the net. Nothing wrong with that, but they could use a guy like Kassian for that job, who is big, strong, and can finish. Kesler should be used in a spot where he will have more chances to shoot the puck, he has a great shot. The Edler drop pass is very effective but they do have a number of different power play break outs as does every NHL club, the eggs are not all in one basket.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:25 PM

Use this PP:

Daniel - Kesler - Henrik (either Kes or Hank can play center)
Edler - Garrison

- Daniel and Henrik control it all and move the puck.
- Kesler works infront of the net
- Garrison is open for the big shot
- Edler can work with the twins and move the puck around, he also has a big shot

We should try different things for our breakouts, dump-in, drop passes, passing to the side then moving in.

Just don't do the same one repeatly, change it up so the teams don't know what to expect, I wouldn't mind more dump-in's though.


This exactly, we need kesler doing what he does best in front of the net while garrison and Edler unload shots from the point. Daniel and henrik are there to move the puck around so that garrison and Edler have space to fire their shots.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:26 PM

Dump and chase would be perfect for Raymond if he was stronger on his legs, hopefully with some off season training that will happen.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:28 PM

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Let's all hype Garrison guys, just so he can be our new whipping boy come season time!
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:32 PM

If you saw all the goals from Garrison last season you saw that they were nice passes from his teammates. It would make sense putting Garrison on the point with the Sedins. He does have the shot, and we all know how the Sedins can dish out some nice passes.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:33 PM

I think Kesler should center the should center the 2nd unit. Anyone can play the PP with the sedins, so why not put more skill on the 2nd unit with burr-kes-higg. Lapierre (or kassian even) is a capable passer and is willing to go to the tough areas (ie front of the net). I just feel kesler's skill is being under utilized
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#14 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:35 PM

This exactly, we need kesler doing what he does best in front of the net while garrison and Edler unload shots from the point. Daniel and henrik are there to move the puck around so that garrison and Edler have space to fire their shots.


You see the same thing I see..

You summed it up well. That's exactly how we should start the season.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:35 PM

The Kings sure figured out how to exploit these little drop passes...

I think they need to get rid of it, but if they are to use it, use it far more discriminately, and make sure it's not being made by the last two guys back on the play.

I like the sounds of Jagermeister's play-by-play...

We're still lacking that d-man who can quarterback the powerplay (i.e., Campbell, Doughty, Keith, Niedermayer-type), but I realize that those kind of players are hard to find.

With Daniel back in the line-up, the PP should be much better, and I suppose that we can't complain too much of having the 4th best PP pct. last year (though the PP pretty much went in the toilet in the second half of the season).
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:40 PM

Let's all hype Garrison guys, just so he can be our new whipping boy come season time!


We all know it's going to happen, it's just inevitable on CDC.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:30 AM

FLYING V!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:42 AM

Drop pass pros:
- If the D is caught off guard, it's an easy entry with speed and potential chances off the rush
- Decent odds of success (i.e. gaining the zone)
- With good timing, forces the D to play a little less aggressively because of the threat of oncoming speed
- If the opponent tries to be a smartass and leave a forward deep, pass the puck up and get easier entry
- Potentially a very safe tactic if players can count (i.e. figure out if there's a forward lurking)

Cons:
- Ineffective and risky as a go-to play
- Some of our players don't count or communicate, leading to giveaways

I really see no problem with having the drop pass as an option rather than a strategy. If successful, the drop pass is very dangerous, so the penalty killers have to respect the possibility of it. That means alternate tactics can be created to counter the drop pass counters, likely including taking advantage of the opposing forward in deeper than they should be.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:53 AM

FLYING V!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:56 AM

step 1: hide puck in jersey

step 2: enter the offensive zone

step 3: pop puck out

step 4: don't get caught

Edited by SILLY GOOSE, 09 July 2012 - 12:57 AM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:58 AM

Or maybe we load everyone into the offensive zone and Schneider lobs a hell mary and some one catches it! Everyone laughs and has fun.

Edited by SILLY GOOSE, 09 July 2012 - 01:00 AM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:08 AM

Start of season:

Unit 1:

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Edler - Garrison

Higgins - Schroeder - Booth
Hamhuis - Bieksa

I hope Ballard eventually gets his chance at some PP time, he has some flare and puck moving ability.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:25 AM

Well we can talk about it all we want but not Gunna make a difference what the team will actually do, but I trust in our special teams coaching
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:49 AM

agreed op.. drop pass is sick once in a while but every time its pretty obv.. if it was me id thro kassian in front of the net on the first unit and let kes man the 2nd unit..


The trouble with the drop pass recently is it was being done sloppily . There is no co-ordination or anticipation and to be really effective imo it is often the pass AFTER the drop pass that's important. We have lost our zip in this area of the game.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:23 AM

The drop pass is very effective if you can catch the other team by surprise. The problem came from doing it so often the the other teams simply played for the drop pass. Mix it up more and it will become effective again.

I'd prefer to see Kesler back on the second PP unit. As good as he was two years ago on the first unit he was considerably less effective last season. The main reason though is how ineffective the 2nd PP unit has been these past two seasons without Kesler.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:54 AM

I think there is a logical reason to put Ryan back to playing the half boards on the second unit but then a problem arises.

AV will have to revert back to his 2010 PP set up and only give 1 minute each , so in effect the Sedins are now getting shorted on their most effective ice time.

Kesler himself earned his PP time so he cant be relegated back to 30 seconds of PP time . So to solve the problem he stuck Kesler on the ice with sedins and run them 1:30 seconds.

I think he will continue this.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:10 AM

Edler goes coast to coast. That was an effective move, 1 for 1. It'll work every time!
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:39 AM

One extremely frustrating aspect of Vancouvers game this year for me was the powerplay, especially in the playoffs. That drop pass absolutely infuriated me.
Ya, it was effective in the regular season, but it seemed like it got figured out really easily come playoffs.

So I was wondering, do you think there will be a change to our powerplay structure this year?
And also, would it be better for the team to NOT put all our big guns on the first unit (Sedins + Kesler) and have Kesler actually center the 2nd unit?

Let's discuss!

Exactly!! Not being able to change up the breakout on the power play plus AV's comments after being eliminated by the Kings that the coaches were not totally prepared was the main reason I felt that AV needed to be let go. It was obvious to me in the two months leading up to the playoffs that most teams had that drop pass figured out and were defending against it. Yet we still could not change it up. I still break out in a cold sweat whenever I picture Edler doing that freaking drop pass inside our own blueline against the Kings, ultimately costing us the game.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:40 AM

The lack of Salo's howitzer from the point for most of last season is what infuriated me the most. It should be quite clear why we acquired Garrison and let Salo go. Good run, but it's over.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:44 AM

It works if you read the defense well. Edler failed to execute a few times and cost us some embarrassing goals. Shouldn't scrap it though.
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