RUPERTKBD Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 MayRay's gonna get the last word and shut a lot of people up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftcoast Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I wonder if he fell over when he read the contract offer? But honestly, I think we should give him a chance to prove himself after his injury, I also think this is an important year for him for his career. He will be UFA at the end of the year, and the puck is in his zone. Let's hope he doesn't skate super fast trip over a phantom player and leave it behind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suolucidir Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I expect him to come in with greatly increased core strength. I think we may find ourselves with the 50pt player who drove the play so effectively. That player would fit anywhere in our bottom 9 and give us a lot of versatility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuck Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 First off, it doesn't matter what happened to Raymond's back. There are players that have had near career ending injuries and play horrible because of it. Too bad. It doesn't mean we should run out and sign them... Given that his cap hit is not too significant doesn't make him a suitable player either. And don't bother with his personal relationship with Garrison. What has Garrison done for the Canucks to justify his buddy Raymond's contract. Plus, we don't have a position for him. He's not a 1st/2nd line caliber player and he doesn't have any 3rd/4th line qualities. Oh, and he is not on PP or PK. You can't even categorize him as a depth player with a 2M+ salary. And finally, he has "ZERO" trade value. I'm not a big fan of Ballard and his contract either, but at least we have a position for him. So what is the upside you ask? None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 First off, it doesn't matter what happened to Raymond's back. There are players that have had near career ending injuries and play horrible because of it. Too bad. It doesn't mean we should run out and sign them... Given that his cap hit is not too significant doesn't make him a suitable player either. And don't bother with his personal relationship with Garrison. What has Garrison done for the Canucks to justify his buddy Raymond's contract. Plus, we don't have a position for him. He's not a 1st/2nd line caliber player and he doesn't have any 3rd/4th line qualities. Oh, and he is not on PP or PK. You can't even categorize him as a depth player with a 2M+ salary. And finally, he has "ZERO" trade value. I'm not a big fan of Ballard and his contract either, but at least we have a position for him. So what is the upside you ask? None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone.biggums08 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Seriously? $2.275 for a guy who can't stay on his skates for a full shift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suolucidir Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 First off, it doesn't matter what happened to Raymond's back. There are players that have had near career ending injuries and play horrible because of it. Too bad. It doesn't mean we should run out and sign them... Given that his cap hit is not too significant doesn't make him a suitable player either. And don't bother with his personal relationship with Garrison. What has Garrison done for the Canucks to justify his buddy Raymond's contract. Plus, we don't have a position for him. He's not a 1st/2nd line caliber player and he doesn't have any 3rd/4th line qualities. Oh, and he is not on PP or PK. You can't even categorize him as a depth player with a 2M+ salary. And finally, he has "ZERO" trade value. I'm not a big fan of Ballard and his contract either, but at least we have a position for him. So what is the upside you ask? None. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Sedins: Would always be 2nd liners Kesler: Nothing more than a 3rd line centre Hansen: Doubtful he'd be a canuck regular Schneider: Nothing more than trade bait Bieksa: Worst defensemen to ever play the game Burrows: A mere fourth liner....3rd line winger at best Raymond: See thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knuck Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 wow, that's one of the worst posts in this thread. Raymond absolutely has 3rd line value, he does play on the PK, and the year before he got hurt, he had the highest possession-based advanced metrics on the entire team. Do you actually watch the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyking Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 It may be one of your least favourite posts, sure! Listen, obviously you like the guy and that's fine. Cameo appearances due to the game or the roster circumstances do not make you a fixture or a role player. Nobody is discrediting how he came out the season before but the fact is, and you would agree, that he had a massive injury. And yes, we all watched the guy last season. Dear Doctor, Basically, you are going with the injury excuses and the ghost of the seasons past. All your sentences are in past tense. My point is, he is no "asset" now and his recovery path to his questionable potential is doubtful enough to deny him an offer. Why sign Richard Park 2.0 if you don’t have to. Wouldn’t you rather see a prospect take his roster spot, let alone half his salary? Our best scenario is to include him in a deal that otherwise would have cost us a fourth rounder. A fourth rounder saved, is a fourth rounder earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avicii Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 How can people use the "Long Run" as an excuse? Detroit and Pittsburgh beat their conferences for TWO straight seasons. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Shirokov Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Sergei Shirokov: fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoosh Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 wow, that's one of the worst posts in this thread. Raymond absolutely has 3rd line value, he does play on the PK, and the year before he got hurt, he had the highest possession-based advanced metrics on the entire team. Do you actually watch the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suolucidir Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 It may be one of your least favourite posts, sure! Listen, obviously you like the guy and that's fine. Cameo appearances due to the game or the roster circumstances do not make you a fixture or a role player. Nobody is discrediting how he came out the season before but the fact is, and you would agree, that he had a massive injury. And yes, we all watched the guy last season. Dear Doctor, Basically, you are going with the injury excuses and the ghost of the seasons past. All your sentences are in past tense. My point is, he is no "asset" now and his recovery path to his questionable potential is doubtful enough to deny him an offer. Why sign Richard Park 2.0 if you don’t have to. Wouldn’t you rather see a prospect take his roster spot, let alone half his salary? Our best scenario is to include him in a deal that otherwise would have cost us a fourth rounder. A fourth rounder saved, is a fourth rounder earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Skylit Drive Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Ewww why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawasaki bomber Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I can't believe Raymond is the best news to come out of Vancouver in the last few days!!! What ever happened to 'moving one of our goalies'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 It may be one of your least favourite posts, sure! Listen, obviously you like the guy and that's fine. Cameo appearances due to the game or the roster circumstances do not make you a fixture or a role player. Nobody is discrediting how he came out the season before but the fact is, and you would agree, that he had a massive injury. And yes, we all watched the guy last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I don't even particularly like him. I took issue with the fact that most of what you were saying is dead wrong. He is a good penalty killer and has a lot of value to the team when healthy. Last year he was not, and did not provide full value. Hence, a big paycut and a charge to recover previous form with a full offseason of training and preparation. I understand that you dislike him, but the facts (statistics and metrics) are not as you've presented them, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 You've spent too much time in the baseball thread, GM... ...facts have no place in the Hockey Discussion forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Doughty Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Lock him up long term. 7 years!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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