Ghostdivision Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 If his back was still the issue it sure was not when he returned. He looked good, and then just fell off again later in the season. And the season before the back injury he looked no different, he just was not a top 6 player. As for people complaining kesler gets a free pass why doesnt raymond. Kesler has taken abuse, not sure if you people read only what you want. People who mattered (gillis and av) called out kesler, they have not called our raymond publicly, and have given him plenty of chances. Fans were also complaining about kesler as well. But you cannot compare a selke winner, 40 goal scorer, and heart of our team to mason raymond. Raymond is not that player, and comparisons between the two should sotp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksWino Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I think you're over-estimating the value of +/-s... Kesler and Raymond having such different plus/minuses is revealing of how they weren't on the same line as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Those of us who remind you of his injury aren't claiming that he was playing with an injured back. We're saying that the injury caused a physical setback since he wasn't able to do his usual summer training that year. It's not something that you can catch up on during the course of the season. I think he lost about 10lbs of muscle. That's more than 5% of his total weight, and an even more significant amount of his muscle mass. If he regains that this summer, then we should see the Raymond of old. Granted, that will still frustrate a lot of his haters-club, but it would mean he'd be contributing positively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suolucidir Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 We'll see. But his performance problems occurred before the back injury too, so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 What a waste of money. People keep saying 'rebound year after injury'...he wasn't having a particularly great year before his injury!! And he had 1 goal in the playoffs!!! This guy has had one good season, and yes flukes happen. He's a weak, small perimeter player. Waste of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Not really. His Goal total sure dropped off, but he had about the same number of points at the end of the year as before. That was also his best year defensively. Not sure where I read it, possibly Canucks army, but he lead the forwards in GA/60/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawasaki bomber Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 This is crazy! He might be worth that money but he doesn't belong on our second line, and that salary is definitely NOT good for a 3rd linesman. Something has got to give.... I'm glad it's not my money in his pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksinVic Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Has to be a signing made as a package deal. Or here we go... To SJ Sharks: Raymond 2nd round 2013 To Van: Marleau Thats got to be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5minutesinthebox Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 If his back was still the issue it sure was not when he returned. He looked good, and then just fell off again later in the season. And the season before the back injury he looked no different, he just was not a top 6 player. As for people complaining kesler gets a free pass why doesnt raymond. Kesler has taken abuse, not sure if you people read only what you want. People who mattered (gillis and av) called out kesler, they have not called our raymond publicly, and have given him plenty of chances. Fans were also complaining about kesler as well. But you cannot compare a selke winner, 40 goal scorer, and heart of our team to mason raymond. Raymond is not that player, and comparisons between the two should sotp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 One year deal is perfect, and it's a reasonable rate for the market right now. Many people don't remeber Gillis' long-term goal with this franchise or they choose to forget because they have their 'hate-on' glasses blocking their vision - Gillis, from the beginning, said he wanted to build the Canucks into the pre-eminent franchise of the entire NHL, the type of franchise that would lure free agents and top-flight players simply based on reputation of winning and how they treat their players. Dumping Raymond after a near career ending injury because he didn't bounce back immediately to the same numbers he's attained in the past would be sending a bad message across the league - that the Canucks are "what have you done for me lately" team (yes, I know the fans certainly are like that in Vancouver). This would not be good for the Canucks long-term franchise building strategy. Yes, it is a fine line between winning, second chances, and moving on - a one year deal sounds fine to me in this player's case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AoSimon Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I really really REALLY doubt, this is a sign and trade. Raymond and Garrison want to play together. If anything I see Burrows as being the odd man out and carrying more trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocnhockey Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 THUMBS UP IF YOU ALL HATE MASON RAYMOND! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsCanuck Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 lol the replies to this thread are golden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinė Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Yay... more falling and getting crushed against the boards. Hopefully he proves us all wrong 'cause he definitely has the potential, but it's highly doubtful considering how terrified he is of going to the dirty areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksWino Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 he also broke the thumb on his shooting hand the year before....people have extremely short memories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt 'n Kass Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Good, we couldn't afford to lose Lou and MayRay in the same off-season. Who would we blame every time the Canucks lose a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinė Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Good, we couldn't afford to lose Lou and MayRay in the same off-season. Who would we blame every time the Canucks lose a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostdivision Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Actually AV did publicly call out Raymond last season. Your right comparing him to kesler isnt fair. They are not the same type of player whatsoever. But as you stated Kesler is the heart and soul of this team, so where was this heart and soul last season and in the playoffs. Kesler WAS a 40 goal scorer and WAS a Selke winner. He wasnt anywhere near either of those things last season. So if injuries arnt an excuse, what was Keslers? All I saw out of Kesler was selfish play and refusing to use his linemates. He is supposed to be the leader on that line. His play was far more concerning for me than Raymonds play. Raymond is just everyones whipping boy and if you think Raymond and his 2.6 mill was the problem with the 2nd line, you are blind to the lackluster play of his 4 mill linemates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suolucidir Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Nobody cares about KB3 while we still have KB4 around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanev's Smirk Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Good, we couldn't afford to lose Lou and MayRay in the same off-season. Who would we blame every time the Canucks lose a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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