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#271 Happy Gilmore

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:25 PM

Cap space isn't a problem - the Canucks can afford Doan.
Gillis gets young players/prospects in return for Luongo.
The Canucks have an outstanding backup already - his name is Eddie Lack.
Malhotra's 2.5 contract expires at the end of the season as well = bulk of Burrows' raise.
The cap raises = Edler's raise.
In addition - Doan makes it possible to trade a winger for picks/prospects if necessary.
The potential emergence of Kassian, Schroeder and Jensen, likewise.


With the new CBA the salary cap could actually come down. Hopefully not too drastically though.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:26 PM

I cannot believe people are willing to give a 35 year old who might get you 50 points a year 6 mil per or a 4 year contract. WTF people?

He's an aging power forward who plays all out every shift. No way does he have 4 high quality years left in him. No way is he worth 6 mil per considering the contracts real superstars get that are close to that. I love the intangibles and yes they are what the Canucks need to a tee, but to overpay an aging player for them is completely foolish both short and long term.


I'd be absolutely shocked if he didn't put up 70 points playing with the Sedins all year...

He wasn't playing with Whitney and Hanzal last season.

Vrbata - Hanzal - Whitney


I'm sure he'll do better with the Sedins than Vermette, Korpikoski, etc. (not saying they are bad players, just not the Sedins).

Not sure how I'd feel about him being on the second line with Kesler.

Edited by Wolverinė, 09 July 2012 - 09:28 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:28 PM

Regardless, anybody who thinks our offense is even close to being at Philly's level probably reads too much and doesn't watch enough.


15 goals less is hardly a significant difference. And the Canucks scored those goals in a much tougher conference defensively. As well, AV's philosophy is to peel back on the forecheck with even a one goal lead (We had the lead a lot.) Vancouver was tied with Chicago for most goals for in the Western conference.

Bottom line is the Canucks have nothing to hang their heads about in relation to the "young, exciting" Flyers, everyone's new fad darlings of the NHL.



Back to Doan:

The PHX saga is never ending, and it'll probably drag on for another decade until even Bettman can't disguise the fact that pretty much everyone will see that the Deep South gamble was always going to be a losing bet (except for the owners who got all that upfront money who then supported Bettman as a reciprocal "thanks' in perpetuity.)

Doan doesn't care about that bigger picture, I'm sure, but he has to be smart enough to realize that ownership issues are going to dog this team for a long time, certainly even in a "long term" four-year contract with them.

With that in mind, and realizing that no one can read his mind, I wouldn't be surprised if Doan is just putting on a show of loyalty for two reasons:

1) it's the clasy thing to do, and Doan is well-respected.

2) it's to his bargaining advantage to make it appear as if it would take a mind-blowing offer to pry him away from PHX, which he would then accept with glee.

In short: I won't at all be surprised to see Doan flee PHX, but I'll also not be at all surprised if we don't get him. I don't believe that Van is on some "short list" of two or three teams. A lot of clubs are going to pursue him aggressively, and I don't think Gillis is going to want to match other offers on term.

IMHO, it'll come down to what's most important for Doan: an extra year or two of security, or a better chance at a Cup.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:30 PM

15 goals less is hardly a significant difference. And the Canucks scored those goals in a much tougher conference defensively. As well, AV's philosophy is to peel back on the forecheck with even a one goal lead (We had the lead a lot.) Vancouver was tied with Chicago for most goals for in the Western conference.

Bottom line is the Canucks have nothing to hang their heads about in relation to the "young, exciting" Flyers, everyone's new fad darlings of the NHL.



Read anything you want and watch anything you want, it doesn't change the number of goals scored. 15 goals difference over the course of 82 games is reality. If you can't understand how close that is, maybe you should read more...


If those numbers told us everything we needed to know we would have scored more than 18 goals in our last 12 playoff games.

If you can't understand that this Canucks team needs serious help offensively, especially in the top-6/second line, maybe you should watch more...


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:34 PM

So this was just posted by the local beat writer on the story down here.


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:36 PM

With the new CBA the salary cap could actually come down. Hopefully not too drastically though.

It probably will not the teams that are near the cap will be in favorable to keeping it that high and the player NHLPA will agree because it benefits the players
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:36 PM

I'd be absolutely shocked if he didn't put up 70 points playing with the Sedins all year...

He wasn't playing with Whitney and Hanzal last season.

Vrbata - Hanzal - Whitney


I'm sure he'll do better with the Sedins than Vermette, Korpikoski, etc. (not saying they are bad players, just not the Sedins).

Not sure how I'd feel about him being on the second line with Kesler.


Paying 6 mil per or giving out 4 or 5 year deals to 35 years old power forwards is not at all how Gillis operates and thankfully so. It's terrible business.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:39 PM

Paying 6 mil per or giving out 4 or 5 year deals to 35 years old power forwards is not at all how Gillis operates and thankfully so. It's terrible business.


I never said that 6M for 4 or 5 years was a good deal.

My post was about his production.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:40 PM

does anyone know if hes going to sign today or later this week?


My cousin's neighbor's teacher's housekeeper has inside info and says Doan will sign on July 21st.
She also said you will step in dog poo tomorrow.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:42 PM

I never said that 6M for 4 or 5 years was a good deal.

My post was about his production.


Fair enough.

Some of these posts with 6 mil per being fair market value and 4 or 5 year deals being justified is just retarded.

Edited by KeslerownsIginla, 09 July 2012 - 09:43 PM.

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John Garrett after a brutal pass by Olli Jokinen:

"Jokinen makes a pass 8 feet behind anybody, to no-one. That's Calgary's first line, unfortunately for them."

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:49 PM

I cannot believe people are willing to give a 35 year old who might get you 50 points a year 6 mil per or a 4 year contract. WTF people?

He's an aging power forward who plays all out every shift. No way does he have 4 high quality years left in him. No way is he worth 6 mil per considering the contracts real superstars get that are close to that. I love the intangibles and yes they are what the Canucks need to a tee, but to overpay an aging player for them is completely foolish both short and long term.


It's our only option at this point.

Sources are saying that almost 17 teams are in contention for him.

3 of which he is likely interested in. Pit, Det, LA

Here is the link (not making a thread because it's EKlund crap): http://www.hockeybuz...p?post_id=45514


t is being reported Doan has anywhere from 10-17 teams expressing interest.

The Arizona Republic list The Penguins, Kings, and Red Wings as where Doan would consider signing if he does decide to leave town. it's a list I concur with completely. And while I am sure the Flyers, Rangers, Hawks, Sabres, and Leafs will certainly make pitches...I am banking on a three way race between the LA, Pit, and Detroit.. Were i a betting man I would go with Pittsburgh here...based on some sources I have talked to since the season ended.


I see a 5 year deal FRONT LOADED with an average of 4M as an option. Even go as low at shaving 1M off the first and second year to make it an 18M 5 year deal. Still, it'll look at lot better than what many teams are throwing at him (likely short terms because of his age).

I just don't see him wearing down any time soon. I guess that's opinion as much as anything, or you can look at his total post season games and Time On Ice and compare it to a guy like Sundin and see if Doan is actually YOUNGER in "hockey years" so to speak.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:50 PM

I've never wished upon the death of a franchise.


Until now.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:53 PM

Fair enough.

Some of these posts with 6 mil per being fair market value and 4 or 5 year deals being justified is just retarded.


Have you ever taken an economics class in your life?

The Market dictates price, not "fairness".

Demand is high for a player like Shane Doan, and the Market (being reportedly 17 different NHL teams) dictates demand, which in turn is directly related to the price paid for said services of Doan.

It's not about what's fair. It's about who is willing to overpay. And by front loading a 4-5 year contract you can mitigate the cap hit AND mitigate for unexpected injuries or earlier than usual retirement (for a player that has minimal post season wear and tear).
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:56 PM

It's our only option at this point.

Sources are saying that almost 17 teams are in contention for him.

3 of which he is likely interested in. Pit, Det, LA

Here is the link (not making a thread because it's EKlund crap): http://www.hockeybuz...p?post_id=45514




I see a 5 year deal FRONT LOADED with an average of 4M as an option. Even go as low at shaving 1M off the first and second year to make it an 18M 5 year deal. Still, it'll look at lot better than what many teams are throwing at him (likely short terms because of his age).

I just don't see him wearing down any time soon. I guess that's opinion as much as anything, or you can look at his total post season games and Time On Ice and compare it to a guy like Sundin and see if Doan is actually YOUNGER in "hockey years" so to speak.


I don't care if every team in the league and the entire KHL is interested-You don't give 35 year old power forwards 5 year contracts. That's completely idiotic. I can't believe anyone would even try justifying it.

The Sundin comparison is inaccurate because he was offered 2 years, not 5.

You're wrong...Flat out wrong.

Edited by KeslerownsIginla, 09 July 2012 - 09:58 PM.

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"Jokinen makes a pass 8 feet behind anybody, to no-one. That's Calgary's first line, unfortunately for them."

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:01 PM

Shane Doan: “Strong mutual interest” in him going to Sharks http://bit.ly/Nhghtz
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:02 PM

Even though Doan's agent said the canucks have a good chance( but he also said that to other teams like detriot) do you guys think the nucks resigned raymond today because they know doan is out of there price range because essentially wouldn't doan be playing in raymonds spot. Just a thought !

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:05 PM

Even though Doan's agent said the canucks have a good chance( but he also said that to other teams like detriot) do you guys think the nucks resigned raymond today because they know doan is out of there price range because essentially wouldn't doan be playing in raymonds spot. Just a thought !

Cheeers !


You have to have a player to trade a player, thats how I see it.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:07 PM

he was always kind of overpaid in phoenix... but supply-demand dictates he be overpaid now I guess..

he is probably going to be a great player for another 1-3 years, then transition from a go-to power forward type of guy to a Marc Recchi type for the final year or 3.

but to take a gamble on the next few years is worth it - is what this team needs right now in this window.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:08 PM

Sabres, Doan’s Agent Have Talked http://bit.ly/Nhh79V
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:09 PM

5 year deal at a reasonable cap wouldn't a bad idea... It means he is signed passed the Twins deal and can leave on time for the prospects or whom ever is our star then.. His leadership and play on ice is needed for the Canucks. Exact player the Canucks can use while the Twins are still here in their prime and let Kassian build up same wit Jensen in Sweden. They'll be ready in time and Doan like Luongo to Schneider will give them time to develop the right way so they can reach the fullest potential.

Knowing Gillis he may shock us and actually give him a deal he wants with a reasonable cap which is what it's all about. If Doan makes a pitch to all teams he can play the length I can see a GM taking a chance. Some guys do still play well around this age...
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:10 PM

You have to have a player to trade a player, thats how I see it.


Yeah that's another way to look at it I guess, MG could pull a sturm with raymond, or who knows raymond could rip it up especially after a full summer of training, I hope we get doan but at a good price

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:11 PM

Let's just see where he eventually ends up before saying who is right or wrong but I would be surprised if

1) He signs for 2yrs@4.5m per unless its Phoenix.
2) He signs for anything less than 3 years and 5m per any where else
3) He signs in Vancouver for 2yrs@4.5m, I would eat my Luongo jersey if that happens but I would be very happy eating it.

Like we have said, its what the market is dictating right now not what is fair. I dont think its fair to pay $1.40+ for gas but people still pay it. There are people who call car drivers idiots for pay so much but what can ya do??? I'd gladly pay $.399 for gas again but that just aint gonna happen...ever....again... :(

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:11 PM

dont want to get my hopes up but would be so epic
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:13 PM

Dennis Wideman is getting 5m for 5 yrs and he's a scrub journeyman... The market will pay him 6m per for 3 years I'd say. If he plays in vancouver, I bet he puts up 60+ pts. this season.


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:13 PM

Even though Doan's agent said the canucks have a good chance( but he also said that to other teams like detriot) do you guys think the nucks resigned raymond today because they know doan is out of there price range because essentially wouldn't doan be playing in raymonds spot. Just a thought !

Cheeers !


Raymond's signing doesn't have anything to do with Doan - the Canucks decided to retain Raymond before July 1st when they elected arbitration - and before Doan's availability was probable.

Doan would be taking Doan's spot. The Canucks don't really have a top six right winger - Daniel, Burrows, Booth, Raymond, Higgins are all left-wings - the Canucks have used left wings on the right wing for a couple years...

Part of the reason acquiring Kassian was such a great move.

Doan is not only a right winger - but power forward in the perennial 20 goal, 200 hit club - perfect fit.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:18 PM

Raymond's signing doesn't have anything to do with Doan - the Canucks decided to retain Raymond before July 1st when they elected arbitration - and before Doan's availability was probable.

Doan would be taking Doan's spot. The Canucks don't really have a top six right winger - Daniel, Burrows, Booth, Raymond, Higgins are all left-wings - the Canucks have used left wings on the right wing for a couple years...

Part of the reason acquiring Kassian was such a great move.

Doan is not only a right winger - but power forward in the perennial 20 goal, 200 hit club - perfect fit.




Yeah I get what your saying, I was just sayin in the roster in general, just say doan is in the line up, where do u see raymond playing when kes is back? I don't seem raymond as a bottom six forward but again that's why I'm not the coach lol
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:23 PM

Seems like the agent is saying Tuesday is the day it will be announced... he's talking to media from many different teams saying there is interest lol.


Said "strong mutual interest" between Doan and Sharks :(



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he was always kind of overpaid in phoenix... but supply-demand dictates he be overpaid now I guess..

he is probably going to be a great player for another 1-3 years, then transition from a go-to power forward type of guy to a Marc Recchi type for the final year or 3.

but to take a gamble on the next few years is worth it - is what this team needs right now in this window.


Hoping you made a typo.

Edited by Wolverinė, 09 July 2012 - 10:24 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:27 PM

Yeah I get what your saying, I was just sayin in the roster in general, just say doan is in the line up, where do u see raymond playing when kes is back? I don't seem raymond as a bottom six forward but again that's why I'm not the coach lol


Thats like complaining to your friend, "I have a 3 car garage, Got me A Ferrari, A Lamborghini just bought a Lexus and damn it I just won a Porshe! What the hell am I gonna do???"

First your friend punches you in the face, then he tells you "Ya make friggin room for the Porshe!"
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:32 PM

Doan in a Canucks uniform is intriguing, but he's the exact player that Detroit covets and you know Holland is going to be pursuing Doan intensely because they lost Lidstrom and failed to lure Suter to Hockeytown.

Plus, what number would Doan wear here - his number isn't available and that right there is likely the final deal-breaker :) .



That number isn't available in Detroit either..
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:44 PM

Thats like complaining to your friend, "I have a 3 car garage, Got me A Ferrari, A Lamborghini just bought a Lexus and damn it I just won a Porshe! What the hell am I gonna do???"

First your friend punches you in the face, then he tells you "Ya make friggin room for the Porshe!"


Wrong!! One of these things, is not like the others!! Dump the Lexus and keep the Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini. Or else park the Lexus in the back yard.
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