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#241 TheWestCoastConnection

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:08 PM

Please Please Please :bigblush:
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:11 PM

the price will be overblown with 16 teams bidding...
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:14 PM

could be great news pending the price tag.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:18 PM

We won't get him. MG wouldn't even offer Salo a 3 year deal and he was basically a Canuck forever.

Some idiot in the east will offer him 5-6 million per year for 4 years a la Ryan Smyth. This is Doan's last contract and he has to cash in.

He won't base his decision on whether he wants to win a cup or not. If that was truely important to him he would have left Phoenix long ago.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:19 PM

the price will be overblown with 16 teams bidding...


Doubt that, he's going to narrow his list down for sure. He wants to play for a cup contender which will limit that list down and then it depends on where he wants to play. He's willing to take a pay-cut to stay in Phoenix. If he chooses Vancouver, I could see him taking a little less than what other teams may offer him, Vancouver seems like the perfect place for him - cup contender and close to home.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:22 PM

The Canucks may have an ace up their sleeve. At least, they have a pretty good in. Laurence Gilman, the Canucks assistant general manager, has a personal relationship with Doan established during his 13 years with the Phoenix Coyotes/Winnipeg Jets organization.
"I've known Shane since he was 19 years old and I have a lot of respect for him," Gilman said. "We've definitely stayed in touch over the years."


Read more: http://www.theprovin...l#ixzz20BN9I7ul

Interesting little tidbit. That actually makes me think we have a good chance.


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:27 PM

In my opinion, if we were to sign Doan, we would need to make a trade first to open up cap space. Say we sign Doan to a deal worth $5 million; that would put us over the salary cap. Assuming a trade involving Luongo, it would be hard to get a great return as we would need to dump salary before the start of the season. This would seemingly give prospective teams leverage in trade negotiations, so we would not receive the best possible return.

According to CapGeek.com, the Canucks currently have $3,046,667 to spend until they hit the cap limit.

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=29

Edited by GoNucks74, 09 July 2012 - 07:39 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:40 PM

Are you saying most players dont have a passion to win ? Thats laughable


If diving is synonymous with passion, than some of our players have quite alot of it.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:48 PM

Hope MG can Sign Shane Doan then after he gose after Shea Weber.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:57 PM

In my opinion, if we were to sign Doan, we would need to make a trade first to open up cap space. Say we sign Doan to a deal worth $5 million; that would put us over the salary cap. Assuming a trade involving Luongo, it would be hard to get a great return as we would need to dump salary before the start of the season. This would seemingly give prospective teams leverage in trade negotiations, so we would not receive the best possible return.

According to CapGeek.com, the Canucks currently have $3,046,667 to spend until they hit the cap limit.

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=29


MG will make it work. It's not our job as fans to concern our selves with CAP...
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:59 PM

MG will make it work. It's not our job as fans to concern our selves with CAP...

Can't teams go over by 10% during the summer anyways? or did I hear that incorrectly?
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:05 PM

Might be an ignorant post, but won't we have too many forwards?
Sedins - Burrows
X- Kesler - X
Higgins - X - Hansen
Volpatti- Lapierre - Pinizzotto

Raymond, Booth, Malholtra, Kassian, and Doan competing for the top 9?

How will we be able to give Kassian to develop if he's outside the top 9 role.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:08 PM

Might be an ignorant post, but won't we have too many forwards?
Sedins - Burrows
X- Kesler - X
Higgins - X - Hansen
Volpatti- Lapierre - Pinizzotto

Raymond, Booth, Malholtra, Kassian, and Doan competing for the top 9?

How will we be able to give Kassian to develop if he's outside the top 9 role.

I assume if Kassian can't beat out anyone on the 4th line he will go to the wolves. or is he too young for ahl?

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:15 PM

Ever since I heard about him possibly not re-signing with PHX, I've had a gut feeling he would end up here. I really believe this will happen.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:21 PM

Ever since I heard about him possibly not re-signing with PHX, I've had a gut feeling he would end up here. I really believe this will happen.


That's funny 'cause ever since I heard he may be coming here, I've had a feeling he will either stay in Phoenix or sign with a team I hate. :bigblush:
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:25 PM

Good, if he doesn't stay in Phoenix then I want him here. Hes exactly the type of player we needs that brings size, leadership, character, scoring and physical play to the team. :)

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:28 PM

MG will make it work. It's not our job as fans to concern our selves with CAP...


Depending on the amount of money we spend on our players, we may not be able to sign another. I personally think about things in terms of cap space because it is such an important part of the game, it factors in trading and signing players. We wouldn't really want to see MG spend 7mil+ on a player worth less, no?

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:30 PM

I think GoNucks74 makes a very valid point.

According to CapGeeks, the Canucks have $3M of cap space.

If they sign Doan for $5M per year, they are over the cap by $2M. Sure Luongo goes, but there will be players coming back in that deal so that likely won't free up that much cap room.

Kesler goes on LTIR, but he's coming back at some point (at a pro-rated amount). If he misses half the season he's still a cap hit of $2.5M (versus $5M for the entire year).

All of this and we still don't have a back up goalie on the roster and Burrows is badly underpaid ($2M per) and his contract is up after this year.

This is part of the reason I'm a believer they just trade Luo for a few draft picks as freeing up the cap space he's occupying (so we can sign a guy like Doan) is just as valuable as trading for someone of value.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:33 PM

Depending on the amount of money we spend on our players, we may not be able to sign another. I personally think about things in terms of cap space because it is such an important part of the game, it factors in trading and signing players. We wouldn't really want to see MG spend 7mil+ on a player worth less, no?


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:41 PM

^ Keep it civil folks. No need to resort to personal attacks/ad hominems.

I'd definitely love to have Doan if the price is right. The number of teams on his short list is likely in the single digits, so if Phx is out, we've got a decent chance of landing him.

That said, if we don't we're fine. We can always go with the trade route and there are still a couple of decent free agents.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:50 PM

Can't teams go over by 10% during the summer anyways? or did I hear that incorrectly?


I believe you are right, but when the season starts, you can't be over the cap. This is where other teams would have leverage in trade negotiations if we were to sign Doan and put ourselves over the cap.

Edited by GoNucks74, 09 July 2012 - 08:56 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:55 PM

This is part of the reason I'm a believer they just trade Luo for a few draft picks as freeing up the cap space he's occupying (so we can sign a guy like Doan) is just as valuable as trading for someone of value.


I agree with what you are saying, because if we sign Doan, he would fill up our roster and I don't think we would need anyone else coming back in a trade. And ya I wasn't sure about how Kesler's salary would count against the cap being on LTIR. Maybe a prospect as well as a couple of picks would be a good return.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:59 PM

Depending on the amount of money we spend on our players, we may not be able to sign another. I personally think about things in terms of cap space because it is such an important part of the game, it factors in trading and signing players. We wouldn't really want to see MG spend 7mil+ on a player worth less, no?


The guy you were responding to was actually just stating what Gillis keeps telling us fans... Gillis has always been stating that people keep worrying about our CAP issues for no reason.. Gillis seems not to be worried too much about the CAP, I don't know why you are. Obviously we wont be signing anyone to a $7 million contract who doesn't deserve it. Also, I don't understand why you need to call that guy dumb for? It makes no sense why you would in that case. It just sounds like you are trying to prove something, but have done a poor job at it. You need to realize that our capologist gets paid big money for a reason, and if we take on a contract that pushes us over the cap, there are many ways to get around that. It is alright having your own opinion, but there is no need to call out people for the reasons you did.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:05 PM

Lets not care about cap room at this point. Cap room issues can be resoloved later, if we say sign him at 5 million. However, there is no fixing not having Shane Doan. Gillis needs to sign him, and go all in. Not only that, signing Doan will solve our top 6 Winger problem. Doan and Kesler will make an awesome pairing grinding , hitting, and more important scoring, as Doan is a proven top 6 winger. Get it done Gillis. YOu didn't get Shultz done, that's ok, he thinks Lebron, please sign Doan.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:08 PM

Thanks Mike! Lucky you are the one running this organization!

I would love for the Canucks to sign Doan for 2yrs, 9 Million but thats not gonna happen. Its what the market dictates, not what you or I think works best. 2yrs 9 Million is Jokinen and Whitney money, Doan is going to get upwards of those. No denying that but if you can pull it off then I'm sure glad your running this organization.


Whitney was almost a PPG player. Jokinen is a center in a very poor UFA free agent center class.

Intangibles included...No way Shane Doan is worth 6 mil per year. That's absolutely asinine.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:13 PM

4 years is out of the question. We'd be paying cap for an empty roster spot for at least the last two years.


Doan isn't as worn down as the majority of 35 year old hockey players.

He has limited playoff time, and didn't play in an overly physical devision for his entire career as an NHLer. I would go as far to suggest a 4-5 year contract, front loaded, with a limited cap hit at the end (in case he retires).

As a GM Mike Gillis can easily mitigate the age factor of Doan by giving him financial security in a time (just like Luongo) where he can't bank on getting an income from any team. I'd say a nice "retirement contract" of sorts is completely safe cap wise, and could even give us an edge in signing him other teams won't have.

6M over two years

3.5 for the third year

2.75 for the fourth

1.75 for the fifth

That's an average of 4M per season. Not going to be a terribly disgusting cap hit if we end up paying that.

Total = 20M = Reportedly what Gillis was asking Sundin to sign for in a 2 year contract.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:14 PM

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I think GoNucks74 makes a very valid point.

According to CapGeeks, the Canucks have $3M of cap space.

If they sign Doan for $5M per year, they are over the cap by $2M. Sure Luongo goes, but there will be players coming back in that deal so that likely won't free up that much cap room.

Kesler goes on LTIR, but he's coming back at some point (at a pro-rated amount). If he misses half the season he's still a cap hit of $2.5M (versus $5M for the entire year).

All of this and we still don't have a back up goalie on the roster and Burrows is badly underpaid ($2M per) and his contract is up after this year.

This is part of the reason I'm a believer they just trade Luo for a few draft picks as freeing up the cap space he's occupying (so we can sign a guy like Doan) is just as valuable as trading for someone of value.


Cap space isn't a problem - the Canucks can afford Doan.
Gillis gets young players/prospects in return for Luongo.
The Canucks have an outstanding backup already - his name is Eddie Lack.
Malhotra's 2.5 contract expires at the end of the season as well = bulk of Burrows' raise.
The cap raises = Edler's raise.
In addition - Doan makes it possible to trade a winger for picks/prospects if necessary.
The potential emergence of Kassian, Schroeder and Jensen, likewise.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:21 PM

Doan isn't as worn down as the majority of 35 year old hockey players.

He has limited playoff time, and didn't play in an overly physical devision for his entire career as an NHLer. I would go as far to suggest a 4-5 year contract, front loaded, with a limited cap hit at the end (in case he retires).

As a GM Mike Gillis can easily mitigate the age factor of Doan by giving him financial security in a time (just like Luongo) where he can't bank on getting an income from any team. I'd say a nice "retirement contract" of sorts is completely safe cap wise, and could even give us an edge in signing him other teams won't have.

6M over two years

3.5 for the third year

2.75 for the fourth

1.75 for the fifth

That's an average of 4M per season. Not going to be a terribly disgusting cap hit if we end up paying that.

Total = 20M = Reportedly what Gillis was asking Sundin to sign for in a 2 year contract.


I cannot believe people are willing to give a 35 year old who might get you 50 points a year 6 mil per or a 4 year contract. WTF people?

He's an aging power forward who plays all out every shift. No way does he have 4 high quality years left in him. No way is he worth 6 mil per considering the contracts real superstars get that are close to that. I love the intangibles and yes they are what the Canucks need to a tee, but to overpay an aging player for them is completely foolish both short and long term.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:23 PM

PHX is probably willing to give him the high salary / 3+ year contract he wants but he probably knows he's not going to win there.

Seems like he'll go to the team that'll give him more than 2 years, and that might not be the Canucks considering MG let Salo walk for pretty much the same reasons (different player, and Salo is older, but I'm guessing term is the issue).
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