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Canucks Need for Defence Vs. Their Need For Scoring

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#31 CanucksLuongoFTW


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:19 PM

Scoring... No doubt

Defence is more solid with the addition of Garrison

Big Holes still to fill...

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - _________
Higgins - Lappierre - Hansen
Volpatti - Malhotra - Weiss

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Garrison
______ - _______

If we had Weiss on our team I doubt he would be a 4th line winger... ;)
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:27 PM

We need to trade Ballard to Minnesota, and get Franson in a trade. lol

Lu just go to Toronto and be a star again! :) Maybe we could get Setoguchi for Ballard, Jensen and a draft pick..

Trading Jensen would be the stupidist and most brain dead idea I have seen in this thread. The kid has all the tools and came close to making the team last year....and you want to trade him? That is also a huge overpayment for Setoguchi.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:36 PM

One of the things that would help is if Kesler would hit or fight when he's not scoring.


Kesler did not kick Iginla's ass, but he gave him one hell of a fight. Kesler has gotten stronger now, and if he wanted to, he could annihilate the league's Dustin Browns and at the very least stand up to Milan Lucic (keep in mind this was a younger and even tougher Iginla).

Stuff like this goes a long way in sparking a teams offense, or reminding the team that the game is won in the trenches (this could mean less traffic in front of our net, or a stronger defense).

I don't know how far we could go if Kesler stopped diving and whining sometimes, but I believe we could definitely go further.

I'm especially hard on Kesler's faults because I believe they can be more easily corrected than Luongo's, the Sedins, etc. It's an attitude adjustment (a shock to some of you, I know, for it would not shock me in the slightest if a few of you lathered your privates in Vaseline before going to bed whispering, "Ryan Kesler beast mode..."); he has proven he can fight and WE KNOW he can hit.

The Sedins are not that type of player. Ryan Kesler is supposed to be.

Kesler and Bieksa are two players on the Canucks that play a better game when they are given full reign to engage. I hope that AV turns them both loose this year. Sometimes taking a penalty for roughing or fighting is superior to turning the other cheek and then getting called on lazy hook or trip. I want to see our guys stop the yapping and start being the guys out there dishing out the facewashes etc....intimidation and standing up for your teammates is a huge part of the game and lifts the whole team.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:30 AM

I think Garrison was a significant signing so don't underestimate that one. Your right we don't need an overhaul but MG will sign a big name if it is good for the club. The cost of admission on a Webber deal is to steep. Nash is a force but what does that cost, both clubs would be in too deep I think.
There is still plenty of summer left to do some "tuning" but we should be in a good place with our core. The Raymond signing is somewhat perplexing for only 1 year but other than that we should be fine.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:41 AM

Forwards, AINEC

sign Arnott for one season, Doan for two years to give the prospects time to develop. Move Raymond if he's still not playing well. I'd try to swap him to a team that's finishing near the bottom for ANYTHING.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:58 AM

sadly to say, we'll never win a cup with our current core.. it's shown years after years after years.. the top guys gets shut down.. secondary offense is non existent and we are relying on our PP to do any kind of scoring which over the past few playoff have shown refs are more and more reluntant to make any calls.. our goalie and defense might be good enough.. but u ain't gonna win any games if you are going to score 1-2 goals and hope your goalie shuts them down every single game.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:16 AM


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Oh hello Alain Vigneault, I see what you did there... good one.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:09 AM

Defense isn't the biggest issue, although the Canucks could use a #1 mean defenseman.

A top 6 forward who can finish is someone that the Canucks need. The 2nd line always has flashes of brilliance and then cools down for a week or two. The Kesler/Booth chemistry seems to be coming along, but the Canucks desperately need a player who when going in on a breakaway you know he is probably going to score.

This team has nobody on it that you can say you know will score 1 on 1 with the goaltender.

They need a player who can finish. A player who won't follow along with what a lot of the Canucks do, which is pass when they should shoot.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:19 AM

The defense has been shored up by Mike G so I believe they need to find top 6 talent until Kesler returns. He will be missed big time and the need for a 2nd line centre can't really be filled internally. I'd love it if Doan chose to sign here because he brings extreme grit and that is what we need, maybe Florida can send over one of their centres but I don't really see that happening, Fleischman would look good on the 2nd line then drop him to the 3rd but that would be wasting his talent here.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:58 AM

The consensus seems to be one I agree with. We need second line scoring and we need a significant addition to accomplish this. We need help down the middle and yes one more 5-6 quality defense man. But focus will hopefully be on second line scoring. where that comes from I am happy to leave to M.G. From Doan signing or the inevitable Loungo trade.

If we are able to pick up a second line significant upgrade we will strengthen the third line by default. We have plenty of strong third or marginal second line talent.We need second line strength size and leadership. That being said demand and supply do not always meet, so M.G. do your best that is all we can hope for.

Love to see Doan and a 2 second lin center or winger from the Loungo trade a backup for goal and away we go. Some help from the Wolves may arrive in camp but not a sure bet. So go to work M.G. We are all awaiting.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:22 PM

scoring. because - theoretically at least - they already have a solid top-4, and 5th and 6th looks good too.

scoring becuase they couldn't score in the playoffs (what is it, less than a goal per game last 2 playoff series? not that bad but close!!!). they have scoring talent that can take advantage of the easy goals and power play markers. what they need are more players who can get the hard ones, win puck battles in front of the net, etc. aka gritty scoring.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:31 PM

We are at least 1x Top defenseman away from full power/depth for the defense group.
While we are at least 1x Top 6 Forward + 1x 3rd Line Forward (centre) away from full power/depth for the forward group.

So we need more help to upgrade the forward group, but we are far from "optimized" in the defense department. Especially considering the numerous defensive brainfarts when things get tough.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:45 PM

I do not see it as an either/or but rather as all of the above.

The Canucks could use an improvement in scoring from the d-men. Hopefully the signing of Garrison will address some of that need. Maybe Connauton will also supply some defensive scoring (assuming he makes the team).

The Canucks do need some more size on the back end. Getting Garrison has addressed part of that need. Having more size would still be nice to have (ie. someone who plays at over 220+), but I suspect that will have to be addressed from elsewhere.

The Canucks could use an additional top-6 forward, which would hopefully improve scoring chances should the Sedin line get shut down. Eventually this might be addressed from within the system (Kassian, Jensen, etc), but what to do until that time.

Should Doan agree to sign here then the problem is likely solved. There could be a guy who comes back in the assumed Luongo deal, but more likely this guy would address the need for a third line center.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:17 PM

Legitimate starting goalie to replace Luo,top 2 RH PP d man and a power forward ,please.

All are just not needed,but essential if there is any chance of contending.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 05:41 PM

sadly to say, we'll never win a cup with our current core.. it's shown years after years after years.. the top guys gets shut down.. secondary offense is non existent and we are relying on our PP to do any kind of scoring which over the past few playoff have shown refs are more and more reluntant to make any calls.. our goalie and defense might be good enough.. but u ain't gonna win any games if you are going to score 1-2 goals and hope your goalie shuts them down every single game.

I have to disagree. While our window of opportunity is shrinking, you can never say never. We came so close against Boston (frankly, we were the much better team on paper and probably would've won under more ideal circumstances). We're not far removed from that incredible cup run.

Also, the last part sounds familiar. Didn't the Kings AND the Devils do that throughout their run to the cup finals last year? Our offense definitely needs to have a better solution against the trap, but it's a given that your best scorers get shut down in the playoffs - scoring goes down as a whole and that was evident last year especially.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 06:31 PM

I think it's very important that Booth is healthy so he can prepare for the season. He showed flashes of brilliance last season and getting a full off-season might do wonders for him.
But i still think it's not enough for our offence. Higgins is a player that can fill in good on any of our lines, but i don't think he might be the best fit for Kesler and Booth. Therefore, i would say there's a gap on our 2nd line right now that needs to be filled somehow.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 06:50 PM

Kind of all over on the post and my thoughts... sorry dudes.

In short if no Weber then we need offense more.

Sigh... I'm unsure of our play at the Defensive end of the ice until its set... WITH WEBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a top 5 D-man in the NHL!!!! Who must not want to sign in Nashville!!!!!
- hes gone to arbitration before...

- He hasn't signed an extension yet.....
- He's fricken from BC....
- Onyl what 26/27 years old... as ferrero would say... (Are you kidding me?)
- Nashville just lost Suter... the're gonna have to trade him, if he plays out the year hes gone afterwards.... Hamhuis... Suter.... Weber Next.....

We've got a good shot at this guy... if we can place 10 million to land Sundin....
We always sell-out... no revenue issues in Vancouver (i think)

IMO we need a WEBER who can clear the net/hit/impose fear/fight/pass and cause just chaos not only on the power play, but at all times with his shot, especially with the minutes he can handle...

So according to every retort where i put forth the Weber claim... its not gonna happen.
What worries me is that by picking up a good forward, that could restrict the offer that we would be able to make for Weber and put us out of contention for him.

Is easier to obtain a forward than a #1 Dman.
Heck theres more forwards than d-men anyways...

Hope Cory does well in net.... cause if faulters... we're in trouble.

Do the Lou Trade... get assets back... determine if we can neg with Weber for extension.... if he agrees to sign after the trade... then flip assets in from Luo deal and what assets we have to land Weber from Nashville.

Even if we traded Kesler or Edler & Assets for Weber.... we'd end up with the better player...
After Webers here then get some scoring...

I Do agree that Doan would help Kassian develop.... I think the price may be too high to get Weber afterwards.

Don't want Semin AT ALL.... want to see this team Hustle (Higgens, Hansen, Burrows, Kesler) its known that Semin takes nights off....

And just remember... If it not for the loss of Luc B..... we'd possibly have that #1 D man here already.

We'd better resign Burrows.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:38 AM

Well now that Mueller is off the Market is it pretty much Doan or bust.

Then we will have to look at the trade route and give up a valuable asset or two.

I don't see much of a chance we get the perfect fit we are looking for in the Luongo trade. Unless Gillis can magicly pull Lupul out of the hat.

But it won't happen imo.


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