Dildo Faggins Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Gillis has made some good pick ups like Humhuis, Ehrhoff and Malhotra, but he's also made some very bad trades and resignings. First the Luongo contract obviously was stupid as fuk, giving away Grabner for Ballard very bad, letting Ehrhoff go too easily a bad move, the Booth pick up was kind of questionable, being too slow/ reluctant to bulk up on some bigger sized players, and giving away Hodgson was moronic beyond comprehension. IMO he's not doing enough in terms of acquiring new players and in getting the right kind of players who will help the team. He picks up one mid level player, then sits back until there's nothing left and picks up a bunch of cheapies, hoping they will turn out to be good. I'm not saying go out and blow on the money on expensive players but come on, make a bit of a splash once in a while, make a bigger push for some real talent that will benefit the team, get things going here. The progress is too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needtogetswole Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Gillis has made some good pick ups like Humhuis, Ehrhoff and Malhotra, but he's also made some very bad trades and resignings. First the Luongo contract obviously was stupid as fuk, giving away Grabner for Ballard also a bad move, letting Ehrhoff go too easily a bad move, the Booth pick up was kind of questionable, being too slow/ reluctant to bulk up on some bigger sized players, and giving away Hodgson was moronic beyond comprehension. IMO he's not doing enough in terms of acquiring new players and in getting the right kind of players who will help the team. He picks up one mid level player, then sits back until there's nothing left and picks up a bunch of cheapies, hoping they will turn out to be good. I'm not saying go out and blow on the money on expensive players but come on, make a bit of a splash once in a while, make a bigger push for some real talent that will benefit the team, get things going here. The progress is too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Gillis has made some good pick ups like Humhuis, Ehrhoff and Malhotra, but he's also made some very bad trades and resignings. First the Luongo contract obviously was stupid as fuk, giving away Grabner for Ballard also a bad move, letting Ehrhoff go too easily a bad move, the Booth pick up was kind of questionable, being too slow/ reluctant to bulk up on some bigger sized players, and giving away Hodgson was moronic beyond comprehension. IMO he's not doing enough in terms of acquiring new players and in getting the right kind of players who will help the team. He picks up one mid level player, then sits back until there's nothing left and picks up a bunch of cheapies, hoping they will turn out to be good. I'm not saying go out and blow on the money on expensive players but come on, make a bit of a splash once in a while, make a bigger push for some real talent that will benefit the team, get things going here. The progress is too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteeun Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 once we elect to go after a parise - suter - weber... that easily takes 7-9m in cap space leaving us to lose depth at other positions, I would rather have a couple of solid players then just one- injuries do happen - anything could... but yes MG has made a bunch of questionable trades and signings but he took us to the stanley cup final we address him like we just came last in the league... he is def doing something right.. but this being a discussion board we'd rather not talk about that - we'd rather fight lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 its a business.. - you'd hire someone to come to work for half the time and leave with a full pay cheque? if sami wanted to stay he would have taken the 1 year deal instead of cashing out I am not a salo hater - love the guy but if we want to go far - we can't have sami on this team - if he gets injured everything is f'd up.. different pairings - no chemistry guys like alberts that have been sitting on the pine for 6+ games are now starting with random d partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needtogetswole Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Also, i'm pretty sure signing someone is not that easy. People seem to think everyone wants Vancouver. At the end of the day, its the player that decides, not Gillis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needtogetswole Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 At Sami's age he would be a depth D man but he can play the PP and actually led the team in PP goals last year. Perhaps his minutes should have been managed better as he was pulling top 4 minutes and pairing last year. Kesler comes to mind where minutes are mismanaged. Sami played 69 games last year.Alberts played in 44 and Rome played in 43.Ballard played in 47 games. Rome is getting 1.5,Ballard is getting 4.2 and Alberts got 1.425. They all received full pay cheques so I have no idea what your theory leads to. Sami played nearly 50% more games and at 21-23 minutes per night.He was the leading PP goal scorer on D and hardly a liability. Sami played on this team for ten years and I would argue it is as f'd up then as it is f'd up now. The difference is that GILLIS stated his #1 priority was to sign Salo July 1st so it was all crap with no intention or he did not try hard enough,did he? Maybe Sami was tired of being hosed for the home town discount and just wanted to be paid fairly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enforcer22 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Two President Trophies in a row, a S.C. Finals appearance, and a GM of the year award to boot (pfft what a retard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 snot nosed kid thinks he can run a hockey team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I have a sinking feeling we are going to get ripped off like we did in the Hodgson trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZCanuck Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Out of all the OP's points (none of which I agree with at all) the one that confuses me the most (and I have read it in other posts concerning Hodgson) is how does holding onto a player who is not happy here with his ice time going to guarantee us a better deal than we got at the deadline? If Luo coming out and saying he is done here and wants to leave hurts Gillis's bargaining position how does Cody basically saying the same thing improve MG's bargaining position on Cody. He dealt Cody at the deadline because teams were willing to overpay. I highly doubt Hodgson would garner us much more than Kassian right now if we tried to trade him - Gillis struck while the iron was hot. And make no mistake - those same guys who say Schultz will be a star on the blue line have also said Kassian is going to be a power forward - something we lack in our line up. You can't judge the Hodgson-Kassian trade already for christ sakes - it happenned with only a couple months left in the season. Feel free to come back and review it after next season and we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I don't own NHL 12 , u obviously didn't consider my points or fully read my post, go do your homework Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragoedia Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 A while ago I had a thread with the same title saying that this summer we would have a great opportunity to load up our team with talent for now and for the future. I made a checklist of To Dos for Gillis. If he accomplished them we would surely become a feared contender once again The point of this is to see how he has done so far and analyze what continues to go wrong with this organization To Do 1.sign Cory- check. The fact that this happened before the deadline is huge and speaks volumes about the two way trust existing between ginger and the Canucks. Also a testament to Schneids character that he didn't put our nuts in a vice and wait for a six mill offer sheet 2. Trade Luongo- obviously the jury is out, but I have a sinking feeling we are going to get ripped off like we did in the Hodgson trade 3. Sign Schultz Epic fail here, he was ours to lose, and we lost him. Gillis messed this up bad, worse than letting Erhoff go (who we noticeable missed last yr) He told Schultz he was not going to guarantee him anything- a noble strategy but very very very stupid, obviously this kid wants to jump right in and be given a chance to show what he can do. Hd doesn't want to go to the AHL for an ice age like all our other prospects Gillis failed here, big time, a bc kid who loved the canucks, what a mess 4. Resign the core Resign Raymond and let Salo go? Wow, just wow, would rather have given Salo 2 yrs then resign Raymond WTF gillis, let's be honest here, who is more useful? Fail 6. UFAs Garrison - gillis went boom or bust here, nuts in a vice after yzerman overpaid like he did with ohlund Doan would be nice- ANYONE else feel like he is ours to lose and Gillis will find a way to do it? Not a saviour but would help our team immensely Why are the Canucks such a travesty? They struggle to make logical moves from Burke to Nonis to Gillis- not much progress Wouldn't it be nice up be able to offer Coho in a deal right now???To bad we played that chip already and instead of getting a sure thing back, Gillis takes a big risk Use to think Gillis was a genius, this summer Gillis looks to have gone, how shall we put it Kirk Lazirus? "Full Retard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragoedia Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Get the facts straight.It is said on NW that Gillis would not go over 3 million. Not sure why he could not keep Sami with a 'signing bonus' compensation that BXA and others have commanded,especially since Sami was a cornerstone d man and played for the 'discount' for some time. Gillis throws 20 million at Sundin,who never played nor wanted to play a game as a Canuck,and yet can't reward Salo who gave his all for the franchise for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj vic Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Schultz was never ours to lose, that was just media speculation. Thousands of fans got overexcited at the chance of him coming here and made it seem like a sure thing. He obviously wants to play with young up and coming players like himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schneider Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 G-52, u should get banned, that's not cool man, some ppl on here ate trying to discuss, not insult Mods- please get this guy a vacation from cdc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Salo wanted 2 years instead of 1, the length was the first issue. The second issue is his spot was about to be filled by Jason Garrison, dramatically reducing his role. You can argue that out of respect, MG has let Salo go to a team where he can get the ice time where he can still make a difference. Sundins contract isn't relevant when discussing Salo's. This was at a time when the Canucks had cap space, and really needed a veteran like Sundin. It was a smart move that made Vancouver a much more desirable free agent destination. The second year has been widely known to be a bluff, as Sundin only played one season. Many key players, such as the Sedins and Kesler, attribute their success to Sundins presence that one year, as he was a strong leader and helped them develop their game into the stars they are today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 NHL Free Agency 2012: Jason Garrison Signing Will Come Back to Haunt the Canucks By Jonathan Reid(Correspondent) on July 8, 2012 1,880 reads 58 Use your ← → (arrow) keys to browse more storiesNext Bruce Bennett/Getty Images We're now a full week into free agency, and most of the big-name free agents of 2012 have signed new contracts and found themselves a new place to call home (the exception being Shane Doan). The Northwest Division was particularly busy this week, with the Flames inking Jiri Hudler and dealing for Dennis Wideman before re-upping him for five years, the Oilers landing marquee defenseman Justin Schultz, the Avalanche bringing in P.A. Parenteau and the Wild signing Ryan Suter and Zach Parise to matching mega-deals. As for the Vancouver Canucks, their main priority this offseason was to replace Sami Salo and find some bottom-six forwards. After all, there's no need to alter a roster that has won two consecutive President's Trophies in a dramatic way. Well, GM Mike Gillis wasted no time in addressing the loss of Sami Salo, when he went out and snagged free-agent blue-liner and British Columbia native Jason Garrison. Garrison just wrapped up a season with the Florida Panthers, in which he tallied 33 points and a plus-six player rating and was only in the penalty box for 32 minutes. Seems like a great signing, doesn't it? Well, not so fast. While there is no denying that Garrison's 16-goal 2011-12 campaign was, indeed, terrific, one has to question whether or not Garrison will ever see that type of success again. Let's not forget that this past season, Garrison was receiving his feeds from one of the best passing defensemen in the NHL in Brian Campbell, who finished the season with an incredible 49 assists. Will Jason Garrison be able to sustain his 2011-12 success in Vancouver? Then there's the fact that Garrison's past shows no sign of sustained success. In fact, in Garrison's 112 career games before 2011-12, he'd only managed to collect 0.23 points per game. This season, he put up 0.43 points per game. Seems a little fishy. Throw in the fact that he was playing in the final year of his deal with Florida, and Garrison seems like the ideal "bust" signing. What's worse for Vancouver is that they gave him a six-year term on the new deal, meaning if Garrison does indeed flop like so many others who emerge out of nowhere in their contract years, Vancouver will be in serious trouble when it comes to their cap. That could turn out to be a huge problem when it comes to re-sign the Sedin twins and Alex Burrows. Canucks fans better hope that this past season was a true breakout campaign for Garrison and not just a flash-in-the-pan campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Today, Canucks TV released its “Best of Sundin 08-09” tribute video. It’s 31 seconds long. Thirty-one seconds. Sure, it appears as though every Canuck’s highlight video has a similar run-time , but the irony of Sundin’s can’t be lost on anybody. Can it? In the aftermath of Vancouver’s crushing playoff loss to Chicago, there’s been a variety of Sundin analyses put forth. GM Mike Gillis said he was “really pleased with everything [sundin] brought to this organization,” while reviews from the media were mostly neutral, focusing more on whether the big Swede would be back next season. So how come the notoriously opinionated media (you know, the one that traded Roberto Luongo…twice) can’t reach any conclusions about the Sundin era in Vancouver? Probably because, like his highlight video, it was short. Really short. Sundin played 41 games in the regular season and eight in the playoffs. That’s roughly four months in a Canucks uni, which is nearly half the amount of time Gillis spent courting him to play here in the first place. Maybe the simple story of Sundin on the ice is this: He showed flashes of his old self, but in the end he was too old and too slow. But is that too simple? Is there more to it? So far, we haven’t seen any evidence that says, yes, there’s much more. Perhaps the most accurate descriptor you could put on the whole situation is “weird.” Sundin looked weird in a Canucks uniform. He showed up out of shape (which was weird, because the word on the street was that he was in the best shape of his life) and nobody took Mike Gillis to task for it (which was weird, because they did for everything else). http://blogs.theprovince.com/2009/05/20/how-do-you-regard-the-mats-sundin-canucks-era/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 1.sign Cory- check. The fact that this happened before the deadline is huge and speaks volumes about the two way trust existing between ginger and the Canucks. Also a testament to Schneids character that he didn't put our nuts in a vice and wait for a six mill offer sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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