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#151 kessywessy

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:27 PM

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:59 PM

Sorry u are so upset, some people on here are actually posting really good points

#153 WEEWILLY01

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:24 PM

This title should read, the summer of Gilligan!!... HA!!!...

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:32 PM

We are not privy to what Sami wanted or did not want or what was offered and declined and why.

Garrison was not yet signed so I have no idea what you are referring to.

Sundin is relevant to everything Gillis is.He was out of shape and held out,wanting to play in New York.

His beneficial impact is a myth and you are perpetuating that myth- for whatever reasons you alone know.

The guy played half a year,came in so out of shape that AV would not play him.The rags in town were all over his fat rear end and for all the obvious fat rear end reasons.

To state that the Sedins and Kesler became the stars they were today was in any way influenced by Sundin's glorious twenty games that he was actually in shape to play is ,well,hilarious.

BY JASON BOTCHFORD
SPORTS REPORTER
The curse of Mats Sundin grows more legendary by the day.
His signing brought so much hope to the Canucks . But what always follows Vancouver’s hopes? The word dashed.
Instead of reaping the benefits of a player with a hall-of-fame billing, the Canucks have been visited by the Grim Reaper.
Instead of a large scythe, Sundin carries a Swedish accent, broken wheels and an attraction to penalty boxes.

Wed., Jan 31,2009
Alain Vigneault sat Mats Sundin on the bench on the 6 on 4 for the Canucks near the end of the game. He stated post game that Sundin has to be better, and he is right. Sundin showed a few flashes tonight but was outplayed by nearly everybody. Eventually he is going to be better. Eventually.
http://hockey-madnes...01_archive.html

May 14,2009
Sundin totalled nine goals and 19 assists after being given five million dollars to play half a season. He wasn’t in great shape when he arrived in Vancouver after sitting out so long, he’s not a young man, and during the all-star break, instead of working out, he went to Whistler to have fun. In the playoffs, he had three goals and five assists. His team, the Canucks, are gone, and once again their fans are disappointed. Did Sundin help the cause? Not one bit. And like I said, he walks away with five million bucks for all this.
http://dennis-kane.c...ust-his-wallet/

I only gave the few reasons that would make sense for the veteran defenseman to be let go. Do you honestly believe that Salo left only because he wanted 2 years? There was no room for him.
Garrison wasn't signed yet at the time, but they were in talks with him. They don't just call him up randomly the day of and sign him, they know in advance often there chances of signing a player. So just because they hadn't yet put the pen to paper and announced it, doesn't mean they didn't know they were going to sign Garrison.

A contract signed by a superstar 4 seasons ago (almost a completely different team then), is not relevant when discussing a contract not signed by a 2nd/3rd pairing veteran defenseman in the present.
First of all, the myth as you call it, has been spoken from their own mouths that it helped their games. So I don't know why you are trying to debunk that.
http://www2.canada.c...45-8e60764ccc79
And yes he was out of shape, but he only played a single season with us. Only half a season, and this was when we had the caproom for him.
But his signing changed Vancouver into a free agent destination, making us more desirable.
And what does his fitness have to do with the influence he had on them as players? He still motivated them (almost like a coach) and inspired them as a veteran player, showing them how to succeed. You are assuming that he lead by playing, but that was not the case.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:36 PM

July 9th and we are going to give Gillis a review on his summer performance ? hmmm are you sure Gillis is the retard



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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:44 PM

Go outside.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:59 PM

How can you begin to understand the role of a GM. Just like teams on paper look good there is so many things that factor in when the puck drops. Just like making proposals on paper is easy to do, but in real life there are many factors making it very difficult: 30 gms with different personalities to deal with, player agents, players themselves, salary cap, other teams needs in competition with your teams needs, the appeal of the city to the player wanted, the player's family wants, the owner of the team, and more I am sure ...

The point being just because you, as a average fan, thinks its easy to get the players you want ; re signed, signed off of the free agent market, trade for players you want, and so on... it just does not work like that in the real world.

It is beyond most peoples' understanding of how hard it is to get good deals done in the NHL and myself being one of those people, but I know is not as easy as writing it down on paper and saying get it done because I want.

Edited by Vancanwincup, 10 July 2012 - 02:05 PM.


#158 5minutesinthebox

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:08 PM

I don't own NHL 12 , u obviously didn't consider my points or fully read my post, go do your homework


You mock someone for calling out your post and tell them to go do their homework, when in fact you did not do yours.
You have no idea what happened with Schultz, he simply wanted more than the Canucks were willing to offer. Top 4 minutes for a player who hasnt even played one minute in the NHL? Yeah right. If he wants to be the man in Edmonton, all the power to him.

- Garrison is a big player, with a physical aspect, a great skater with a booming shot who can run the powerplay. Had a lot of success on a team with no where near the talent of the Canucks. I dont see that as a risk but a quality signing.

- Salo chose go move on as the Canucks could not afford to offer him more than a 1 year offer and certainly not for 1.75 mill more.

- The Canucks decided to take Raymond to arbitration to avoid losing him for nothing. They had no choice but to sign him. They sign him at 1 year at what would likely have been less than that of an arbitrator would have awarded. You dont just dump a player who gave as much as Raymond did because he had a down year after breaking him back playing for the team. Do you have any clue how horribly that would reflect on the Canucks organization?

- The Jury is still out on the Hodgson trade, and why it occurred when it did has been of much debate. The most popular theory is that Hodgsons camp wanted out, and Gillis didnt want to risk losing him. An attractive proposition in Kassian came up, a player many think has all of the tools to become the power forward many here have been begging for.

- Gillis also resigned much of the core at a discount including the Sedins, Kesler, Bieksa, Hammer. And yes all of those players could have gotten more on the open market. He also signed the players that helped us get the finals including Hammer, LaPierre, Torres, Ehrhoff, Manny etc

Gillis is at least the most active GM this team has ever had. He recognized the need to fortify the defence because of all of the injuries, and he went out and got the best ones available. He moved two aging players with a history of injuries and got Booth in return.
You can be a hindsight psychic all you want and you think you know how the whole process of signing players and bringing in FA's work, and how you wouldnt have made this deal or that one, but the truth is you dont have a clue.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:10 PM

How can you begin to understand the role of a GM. Just like teams on paper look good there is so many things that factor in when the puck drops. Just like making proposals on paper is easy to do, but in real life there are many factors making it very difficult: 30 gms with different personalities to deal with, player agents, players themselves, salary cap, other teams needs in competition with your teams needs, the appeal of the city to the player wanted, the player's family wants, the owner of the team, and more I am sure ...

The point being just because you, as a average fan, thinks its easy to get the players you want ; re signed, signed off of the free agent market, trade for players you want, and so on... it just does not work like that in the real world.

It is beyond most peoples' understanding of how hard it is to get good deals done in the NHL and myself being one of those people, but I know is not as easy as writing it down on paper and saying get it done because I want.

But on NHL 12 all you have to do is put in the players in the trade thingy and if they match in value you get a trade?!! Isn't that real life too!?? I am totally confused!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:19 PM

Hey all,
If u read my post, I'm not saying it's easy, I'm not saying I could do a better job, all I am saying is he has delivered on some things, the jury is out on other things and I think he failed when it came to Schultz, not his fault, but ultimately the GM takes heat for things like this.

I personally felt Salo for the next 2 yrs is more valuable than Raymond for 1-2 years considering age and injuries. It is very possible that Salo would have taken 2-3mill x 2 yrs to stay in Van. I know he signed in TB for more but Gillis referenced that term was the issue, not $$

I hope I am the only one who has a sinking feeling about the Luongo trade, I really do.

As far as Vancouver being a UFA signing hotspot, it is not!
NHL players poll said it might be in 2010, but we signed
Hamhuis
Malhotra
Samuellson
And... Hammer is from here
I think we are an average place to sign, although I wish everyone wanted to sign here

I think if we sign weber and doan then Vancouver will have a reputation for signing real good UFAs until then we signed Sundin and not much since... He probably signed here out of the way of a massive NHL market (NYR) bc he knew we was done, out of shape etc and preferred a Swedish friendly market



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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:49 PM

Anybody who quotes Jason Botchford to back up their arguments should give their head a shake. Some of our local media have a clue. Botchford lives on his own planet.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 03:53 PM

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:22 PM

This thread if full of fails, your going to judge Gillis based on what has happened within the passed 10 days? Your a moron and the minus needs to be brought back :)
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:26 PM

Anybody who quotes Jason Botchford to back up their arguments should give their head a shake. Some of our local media have a clue. Botchford lives on his own planet.


Right.
Eight years covering the Canucks,getting PAID to put pen on one of the country's largest papers,writing a blog and appearing on two syndicated radio programs means nothing.
Of course,you would know best.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 04:42 PM

Do you honestly believe that Salo left only because he wanted 2 years? There was no room for him.

And yes he (Flabby Mats) was out of shape, but he only played a single season with us. Only half a season.....
But his signing changed Vancouver into a free agent destination, making us more desirable.
And what does his fitness have to do with the influence he had on them as players? He still motivated them (almost like a coach) and inspired them as a veteran player, showing them how to succeed. You are assuming that he lead by playing, but that was not the case.


You can stop anytime.That is going to happen some day when you wake up-right?
Coming in out of shape and not even being put on the ice in critical situations by your coach for twenty games is your path to success?

This was a five million dollar blunder squeaking so badly it is still being greased by the Gillis PR machine.

"For players over 35, it's very dangerous territory," Gillis said. "If anything happens it counts against your cap. We were comfortable going one year at a time with Sami."
Late in the negotiation, the Canucks juiced their offer, included a signing bonus and a significant raise from the $2 million he made last year. It was competitive with the deal Salo ended up signing with Tampa Bay, on a per-year basis.
It got close, even with other teams in the mix, including the Wings. But Salo turned down the Canucks, and the Wings, for the two-year, $7.5 million contract with the Lightning, a team that missed the playoffs last season.

Salo was priority #1 on July 1st.Sami has graciously offered his services at a discount so often to Gillis he finally took the money and ran.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 07:27 PM

let's just say we're all glad you aren't GM OP.

You can't expect everything to go the Canucks way during the summer. Or any team for that matter. There are 29 other teams in the league working just as hard on the same day and weeks/months following.

Get over yourself as an armchair GM and just let these guys do their job. It's a tough one and too many of us whine and complain about the team.

you should have been around 1995-2000. Those were not fun years...so enjoy this!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:18 PM

A while ago I had a thread with the same title saying that this summer we would have a great opportunity to load up our team with talent for now and for the future. I made a checklist of To Dos for Gillis. If he accomplished them we would surely become a feared contender once again

The point of this is to see how he has done so far and analyze what continues to go wrong with this organization

To Do

1.sign Cory- check. The fact that this happened before the deadline is huge and speaks volumes about the two way trust existing between ginger and the Canucks. Also a testament to Schneids character that he didn't put our nuts in a vice and wait for a six mill offer sheet

2. Trade Luongo- obviously the jury is out, but I have a sinking feeling we are going to get ripped off like we did in the Hodgson trade

3. Sign Schultz
Epic fail here, he was ours to lose, and we lost him. Gillis messed this up bad, worse than letting Erhoff go (who we noticeable missed last yr)
He told Schultz he was not going to guarantee him anything- a noble strategy but very very very stupid, obviously this kid wants to jump right in and be given a chance to show what he can do. Hd doesn't want to go to the AHL for an ice age like all our other prospects
Gillis failed here, big time, a bc kid who loved the canucks, what a mess

4. Resign the core
Resign Raymond and let Salo go?
Wow, just wow, would rather have given Salo 2 yrs then resign Raymond WTF gillis, let's be honest here, who is more useful?
Fail

6. UFAs
Garrison - gillis went boom or bust here, nuts in a vice after yzerman overpaid like he did with ohlund

Doan would be nice- ANYONE else feel like he is ours to lose and Gillis will find a way to do it?
Not a saviour but would help our team immensely

Why are the Canucks such a travesty? They struggle to make logical moves from Burke to Nonis to Gillis- not much progress

Wouldn't it be nice up be able to offer Coho in a deal right now???To bad we played that chip already and instead of getting a sure thing back, Gillis takes a big risk

Use to think Gillis was a genius, this summer Gillis looks to have gone, how shall we put it Kirk Lazirus?

"Full Retard"

You are totally right, Gillis should be fired and they should appoint you as GM. C'mon MAN! ARE YOU SERIOUS?

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 02:23 PM

I think they signed Raymond because AV and Gillis felt sorry for him in the free agency because he had the back injury and they gave him one more chance. I don't think that was wise but its AV and Gillis. Who knows, I also have a hunch some players don't want to come to a team run by AV and Gillis, so it will be same old, only worse this yr

Edited by snucks, 11 July 2012 - 02:24 PM.





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