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#1 ronningsback

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:18 AM

If this is true, it's just plain wrong!!

http://www.vancouver...9878/story.html

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:25 AM

I don't see why the outrage?

Why do you pay sports athletes millions of dollars to endorse your products when they already make millions of dollars? You want them to associate themselves with your brand.

You want Roberto Luongo to represent the BCLC brand at the poker tournament. You pay him.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:26 AM

I don't have a problem with it.

Players get paid to sponsor all sorts of products and services. I don't see why it should be a big deal. If Luongo was given a free Toyota as part of a sponsorship deal, would we care?
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:29 AM

Nike gave Tiger Woods around $100million to endorse their products.
$10,000 as an endorsement royalty is absolutely nothing.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:30 AM

http://www.calgaryhe...3438/story.html

It's an endorsement deal, get over it.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:33 AM

http://www.calgaryhe...3438/story.html

It's an endorsement deal, get over it.

Only thing noteworthy from that article is that it pretty much confirms Strombone1 is Luongo as if it wasn't already known.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:37 AM

10K is chump change to what some sport athletes get.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:54 AM

The government shouldn't be giving a multi-millionaire 10k in an effort to try and get its citizens to gamble more.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:06 PM

This was a 4-sentence long opinion bit in the Vancouver Sun, with no context or explanation behind it. How did it become worthy of a thread?

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 01:11 PM

This was a 4-sentence long opinion bit in the Vancouver Sun, with no context or explanation behind it. How did it become worthy of a thread?

nevermind the completely nonsensical title...

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:36 PM

The government shouldn't be giving a multi-millionaire 10k in an effort to try and get its citizens to gamble more.



At least someone agrees with me....neither do I think its a very good message to be sending our young fans out there...especially as he is the face of the franchise!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:50 PM

Did they pay him to do that ad last year? THE OUTRAGE. He makes 50 garillion dollars a year and shouldn't need more money!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:51 PM

Hopefully he gives that money to someone who needs it instead of pocketing it.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:54 PM

Is that supposed to be a news item written by a professional journalist? Sounds like some old cranky guy who hacked into the system.
Lemme see, who what when where why.
Well then again I guess he nailed it lol

Still that's just an opening volley. Where's the beef?

 

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:55 PM

Hopefully he gives that money to someone who needs it instead of pocketing it.

LOL. What makes that 10K different than the other 675 lumps of 10K he made last year?

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:57 PM

I don't think people realize that the BCLC is a government run company...
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:59 PM

At least someone agrees with me....neither do I think its a very good message to be sending our young fans out there...especially as he is the face of the franchise!


Last time I checked, gambling via the BCLC was completely legal.

Never mind that the young fans you are concerned about aren't likely to be watching the WSOP or reading the Vancouver Sun to know he is there, Luongo is promoting gambling using the BCLC instead of going to some off-shore sketchy gambling site. At least with the BCLC the proceeds are going to our own elected crooks... I mean, into our own economy and not some strange crooks overseas.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:00 PM

I haven't been following the story that closely, but has Luongo or BCLC verified that $10,000 was paid for his entry?
Many tournaments have promotional entries offered out and it wouldn't surprise me if his entry was a freebie for BCLC

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:04 PM

I'm sorry this is just lame all around.
-That link-talking about single mothers needing the money more? Ya...like it would ever end up in the citizens who need it pockets anyways.

Fact of the matter is, BCLC most likely spends more money on their employee summer picnic.

Luongo made a deal with them. They want their name out there. This is a cheap way to do that, especially with these "poor us" articles.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:11 PM

At least someone agrees with me....neither do I think its a very good message to be sending our young fans out there...especially as he is the face of the franchise!


Then you probably haven't heard of David Booth shooting bears, have you?

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 11:14 PM

This is nothing more than a pathetic attempt at a sob story that links together a legal endorsement and a legal activity.

I say the author and the OP are more butthurt over the fact that Luongo's still in town than the 10k itself.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 03:03 AM

My first reaction when I heard this through an interview was a little bit of surprise, given that BCLC is a government entity. However, I realized that as far as endorsement deals go this one is pretty tame and actually more transparent than most.
Does Luongo need BCLC to spot him the 10 grand for entry? No.
Did BCLC see an opportunity for what they felt would be well spent marketing? Yup.
Who knows who approached who... but my guess is that the lotto corp. pressed to get Luongo to wear that BCLC jacket.
Was it incumbent upon Luongo to say "No"? I don't think so.
Ultimately I doubt BCLC sprung an extra $10,000 that they hadn't budgeted for in marketing... they probably felt this was a good opportunity for a good return on investment.
i.e. I think this opinion piece misses the other half of the equation. Presumably this is not our taxpayers money going into a millionaire's pocket without anticipated returns that are at least equal.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:07 AM

Last time I checked, gambling via the BCLC was completely legal.

Never mind that the young fans you are concerned about aren't likely to be watching the WSOP or reading the Vancouver Sun to know he is there, Luongo is promoting gambling using the BCLC instead of going to some off-shore sketchy gambling site.  At least with the BCLC the proceeds are going to our own elected crooks... I mean, into our own economy and not some strange crooks overseas.


Promoting gambling is like promoting smoking. Both terrible vices that ruin lives and tear families apart, and both, are quite fun to do sometimes. I don't think the BCLC should be advertising their casinos or sports betting tickets at all. People should be allowed to gamble, but for some with weaker constitutions, the advertisements legitimize their addictions and make them want to gamble more.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:10 AM

My first reaction when I heard this through an interview was a little bit of surprise, given that BCLC is a government entity.  However, I realized that as far as endorsement deals go this one is pretty tame and actually more transparent than most.  
Does Luongo need BCLC to spot him the 10 grand for entry? No.
Did BCLC see an opportunity for what they felt would be well spent marketing? Yup.
Who knows who approached who... but my guess is that the lotto corp. pressed to get Luongo to wear that BCLC jacket.
Was it incumbent upon Luongo to say "No"? I don't think so.
Ultimately I doubt BCLC sprung an extra $10,000 that they hadn't budgeted for in marketing... they probably felt this was a good opportunity for a good return on investment.
i.e. I think this opinion piece misses the other half of the equation. Presumably this is not our taxpayers money going into a millionaire's pocket without anticipated returns that are at least equal.


The anticipated returns are all taxes... regressive ones at that. http://www.nytimes.c...r=3&ref=opinion

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 10:50 AM

Promoting gambling is like promoting smoking. Both terrible vices that ruin lives and tear families apart, and both, are quite fun to do sometimes. I don't think the BCLC should be advertising their casinos or sports betting tickets at all. People should be allowed to gamble, but for some with weaker constitutions, the advertisements legitimize their addictions and make them want to gamble more.


Except promoting gambling is legal and promoting smoking is not. But what you raise is a different question - should promoting gambling be legal? How about alcohol? But that's not what the article was about.

The original article complains that the money should not be going to a millionaire, but it does not take issue with the fact that the BCLC already markets its games and lotteries. That's the part I was arguing against. As long as gambling is legal, and promoting gambling is legal, I have no issue with Luongo making a little promotional cash or getting sponsored into a tournament like this. Let's face it, the BCLC is getting far more bang for their buck sponsoring Luongo into that tournament than they would if they sponsored me.

Basically, I don't think that article would ever have been written if the BCLC had sponsored some random BC celeb. It's because they sponsored a Canuck. That's the part I have issue with the article on. If the BCLC is going to spend advertising dollars, what's wrong with Luongo getting some of that?
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:25 AM

Except promoting gambling is legal and promoting smoking is not.  But what you raise is a different question - should promoting gambling be legal?  How about alcohol?  But that's not what the article was about.

The original article complains that the money should not be going to a millionaire, but it does not take issue with the fact that the BCLC already markets its games and lotteries.  That's the part I was arguing against.  As long as gambling is legal, and promoting gambling is legal, I have no issue with Luongo making a little promotional cash or getting sponsored into a tournament like this.  Let's face it, the BCLC is getting far more bang for their buck sponsoring Luongo into that tournament than they would if they sponsored me.

Basically, I don't think that article would ever have been written if the BCLC had sponsored some random BC celeb.  It's because they sponsored a Canuck.  That's the part I have issue with the article on.  If the BCLC is going to spend advertising dollars, what's wrong with Luongo getting some of that?


You're right, I am taking issue with something completely different. I don't think the government should a provider of gambling at all, ipso facto, Luongo sponsorship by gov't gambling orginization = bad.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:38 AM

So he has a sponsorship contract with BCLC. Part of that contract is to pay his entry fee into a poker tourney. Where is the problem? He shouldnt be endorsing anything? Saying he should be giving the money to needy people is idiotic. Every celeb endorsement should go to needy people then and maybe it should but this is the real world and in the real world we deal with how things are and not how we would like them to be.

So he likes to gamble. Ive gambled, it was fun. Apparently hes good at it. Good for him.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:50 AM

A good argument doesn't appeal to emotion. There are a lot of needy people in the world but that doesn't impact whether this is a sound or even moral decision. I don't endorse BCLC's existence but with this specific decision I see no problem.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:52 AM

People will use anything to hate on Lui now, eh? Get a life you goofs.
I'm saying Aladeen a lot because http://forum.canucks...dpost__10922428

I bet when Schneider turns 38, he will have broken all of Luongo's records.


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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:55 AM

A good argument doesn't appeal to emotion. There are a lot of needy people in the world but that doesn't impact whether this is a sound or even moral decision. I don't endorse BCLC's existence but with this specific decision I see no problem.


This issue is a good opportunity to bring up important questions about state sponsored 'sin' though.




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