Tortorella's Rant Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 LOL. What makes that 10K different than the other 675 lumps of 10K he made last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:D Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Maybe my perception is wrong, out of curiosity which ones do you go to regularly? Not that I doubt that this was your experience..just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Maybe my perception is wrong, out of curiosity which ones do you go to regularly? Not that I doubt that this was your experience..just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLumme Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Casinos increase crime around the casino, not necessarily inside the casino itself... http://www.freedomfoundationofminnesota.com/Websites/freedomfoundation/Images/Gambling%20Economics-%20Summary%20Facts%20by%20Professor%20Earl%20Grinols,%204.29.11.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 but the argument is that a casino is a hotspot for drug trafficking and prostitution, neither of which are in that report. it merely reports on: larcenies, burglaries, auto thefts, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults. but the same results can be found in most places that serve alcohol, like nightclubs, bars, sports stadiums, amusement parks, etc. Also, you are basically creating a gathering space for people that would not normally be in that area, creating an increase in temporary population (ones that don't live there, but come to visit/shop/gamble/ whatever), will create an increase in crime, because the people committing the crimes know it's a place to go to find victims. and it makes it appears that the crimes per capita goes up, because they only compare it against the permanent population, they don't take into account the giant leap in population coming in from outside their population zone. the study is flawed because it doesn't compare it against other population gathering institutions or alcohol serving institutions. it just says that you add a casino and crime goes up, but you add population in general and crime goes up, and it doesn't take into account the increase in temporary population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I have the feeling most people here are not aware of all the services BC has that are almost completely funded through the BCLC. Without the Lottery, BC would still be swimming in debt from Expo 86. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLumme Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 but the argument is that a casino is a hotspot for drug trafficking and prostitution, neither of which are in that report. it merely reports on: larcenies, burglaries, auto thefts, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults. but the same results can be found in most places that serve alcohol, like nightclubs, bars, sports stadiums, amusement parks, etc. Also, you are basically creating a gathering space for people that would not normally be in that area, creating an increase in temporary population (ones that don't live there, but come to visit/shop/gamble/ whatever), will create an increase in crime, because the people committing the crimes know it's a place to go to find victims. and it makes it appears that the crimes per capita goes up, because they only compare it against the permanent population, they don't take into account the giant leap in population coming in from outside their population zone. the study is flawed because it doesn't compare it against other population gathering institutions or alcohol serving institutions. it just says that you add a casino and crime goes up, but you add population in general and crime goes up, and it doesn't take into account the increase in temporary population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLumme Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I have the feeling most people here are not aware of all the services BC has that are almost completely funded through the BCLC. Without the Lottery, BC would still be swimming in debt from Expo 86. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 The vast majority of gambling revenue is done by those who can least afford to do, repeat, poor, and very sad customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 It's the same thing with Alcohol abuse. Does this mean you are also against BCL? Heck, I buy alcohol and lotto every once in a while (just started with the Lotto), and I would much rather have a portion of those costs go towards helping out to pay for government services then have them all go into some private companies pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLumme Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 It's the same thing with Alcohol abuse. Does this mean you are also against BCL? Heck, I buy alcohol and lotto every once in a while (just started with the Lotto), and I would much rather have a portion of those costs go towards helping out to pay for government services then have them all go into some private companies pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Yes, in fact I am very against the BCL. Pretty much every other country in world has privitized liquor sales except Canada. Why shouldn't I be able to buy alcohol in a grocery store? Its absurd. You can still tax alcohol and gambling, it doesn't have to be run by the state. See Europe & the US for examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLumme Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 ahh, that I agree about, but wouldn't increasing availability increase those issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Yes, in fact I am very against the BCL. Pretty much every other country in world has privitized liquor sales except Canada. Why shouldn't I be able to buy alcohol in a grocery store? Its absurd. You can still tax alcohol and gambling, it doesn't have to be run by the state. See Europe & the US for examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 With alcohol, I think that increasing the availablity of it allows people to be better educated on it. Increasing the availability takes away the mystique and coolness factor that causes a lot of teens to drink excessively. Gambling is a completely different issue. I enjoy gambling to some extent, mostly making a bet on sports now and then, or having a home game of poker, but I have a NIMBY attitude towards it. People should be allowed to gamble, but it shouldn't be convinient, if that makes any sense. Also, I think that certain types of gambling that are most prone to addiction -- slots and VLTs being the most obvious examples -- should be banned outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 With alcohol, I think that increasing the availablity of it allows people to be better educated on it. Increasing the availability takes away the mystique and coolness factor that causes a lot of teens to drink excessively. Gambling is a completely different issue. I enjoy gambling to some extent, mostly making a bet on sports now and then, or having a home game of poker, but I have a NIMBY attitude towards it. People should be allowed to gamble, but it shouldn't be convinient, if that makes any sense. Also, I think that certain types of gambling that are most prone to addiction -- slots and VLTs being the most obvious examples -- should be banned outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLumme Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Issue there is, privatizing Alcohol means that the prices will be driven up. The private liquor stores around my area sell 26's around $5 more than they are at the BCL. If we are still going to tax it, that would just mean these poor, low income fellows will be spending even more to feed their addiction. Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I disagree with availability reducing underage kids drinking. As I was underage not to long ago, believe me, if it is available, kids will take it. Something I noticed is that private stores are a lot less thorough checking to make sure ID's are valid. Some privatized liquor stores don't seem to care that much if they sell to underage kids, they just want to maximize their profits. I somewhat agree with you on slots, because people will waste away their money without even really realizing it, plus it is always a win-win for the Casino, since the machines are rigged so that they can come out with a profit. If people were more educated on that fact, I think it could solve a few problems, but still, people do need to be responsible for their own actions. There is no real dependency on gambling like there is on substances like alcohol. People just get too far down in the hole, that they feel obligated to try and win it all back, and slots are by far the worst form of gambling to be able to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Those are 'private' liquor stores within a province that has control of all sales of alcohol. The price of alcohol in countries with truly privitized systems is a fraction of the cost here in Canada. You can get a bottle of wine in France for 80 cents, and a 24 of beer in the US for 10 bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLumme Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 but alcohol is far more addicting, and is chemically addicting, than any forms of gambling. I just don't get your logic on this. i'm not against either one, i'm just saying I don't get where you're coming from on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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