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#61 Jägermeister

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 12:42 PM

Those are 'private' liquor stores within a province that has control of all sales of alcohol. The price of alcohol in countries with truly privitized systems is a fraction of the cost here in Canada. You can get a bottle of wine in France for 80 cents, and a 24 of beer in the US for 10 bucks.


Jealous.
But like Avelanch said, a big reason prices are high is due to the taxes on alcohol sale.
So maybe from a monetary standpoint for people like you and me, privatization could be helpful. However, I can't see it helping with any dependency issues, and if anything I could see it hurting that cause. If a 24 pack of beer is have the price, that means the low income fellow who cannot keep a steady hand with his finances, and has an alcohol dependency will go out thinking he can just buy more beer now. Heck I know I would.

People are going to drink (and do drugs) no matter what, but people aren't going to gamble no matter what. You can test that imperically by looking at how well prohibition works, and gambling rates with respect to how close one lives to a casino. If people don't live near a casino or slots, the vast majority of those people won't gamble, if they do live near a casino, gambling rates increase dramatically. On the flip side, if alcohol (or more recently and comparibly, drugs) is illegal/controlled/restricted it doesn't change the rate of usage. I can find a study that I read a little while ago that proves the gambling/proximity thing if you want.


I can believe that.
That just reverts back to my point that people just need to be better educated, and that if they get into a hole, the worst thing they can do is try to gamble out of it. There is no real dependency on gambling, it's just a fun past time for most people.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 12:47 PM

People are going to drink (and do drugs) no matter what, but people aren't going to gamble no matter what. You can test that imperically by looking at how well prohibition works, and gambling rates with respect to how close one lives to a casino. If people don't live near a casino or slots, the vast majority of those people won't gamble, if they do live near a casino, gambling rates increase dramatically. On the flip side, if alcohol (or more recently and comparibly, drugs) is illegal/controlled/restricted it doesn't change the rate of usage. I can find a study that I read a little while ago that proves the gambling/proximity thing if you want.

source for the bolded? Back in Chicago, my friends and I didn't live within 30 min of a casino, and rarely, if ever, visited one, but we still met routinely for poker in my friends garage. we used real money, so it would still be considered gambelling, but I doubt that type of activity would be measured in any report, and i don't know how they would be able to measure that either.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 01:20 PM

source for the bolded?  Back in Chicago, my friends and I didn't live within 30 min of a casino, and rarely, if ever, visited one, but we still met routinely for poker in my friends garage.  we used real money, so it would still be considered gambelling, but I doubt that type of activity would be measured in any report, and i don't know how they would be able to measure that either.


For what it's worth:

http://www.scienceda...50629065809.htm

"Individuals who live within 10 miles of a casino or in a disadvantaged neighborhood are more likely to experience problem gambling, according to new research from the University at Buffalo's Research Institute on Addictions (RIA)"

http://faculty.msb.e...RC/pdf/WP63.pdf

"We conclude that the proximity of casino gambling appears to be associated with higher bankruptcy rates"

It's impossible to come up with 100% proof with a question like this because there are so many factors - home gambling like you said. But logically it would seem that home gambling problems would pale in comparison in scope and frequency to casino related gambling problems.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 01:42 PM

I agree with the op. Big difference between legal and ethical.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 05:11 PM

Promoting gambling is like promoting smoking. Both terrible vices that ruin lives and tear families apart, and both, are quite fun to do sometimes. I don't think the BCLC should be advertising their casinos or sports betting tickets at all. People should be allowed to gamble, but for some with weaker constitutions, the advertisements legitimize their addictions and make them want to gamble more.


I pretty much agree. There is no reason for the BCLC to advertise at all.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 06:27 PM

Sure. I'm against it. Casinos are hot spots for drug trafficking, prostitution and so forth. The problem is the government relies on the money to support its services. People won't accept services being cut, taxes being raised, etc. So they make the shortsighted decision to expand state sponsored gambling because essentially we, the public, won't let them do otherwise.


So is most of your neighborhood. Those 'terrible things' you mention are prevalent everywhere.

Seriously, give your head a shake. This $10,000 sponsorship makes sense from a marketing standpoint and from the extra publicity they are getting it has been a Home Run. $10000 for advertising is NOTHING.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 06:27 PM

I agree with the op. Big difference between legal and ethical.


How is gambling not ethical?
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 06:30 PM

Casinos increase crime around the casino, not necessarily inside the casino itself... http://www.freedomfo...ls, 4.29.11.pdf


There is a casino in View Royal on the WestShore outskirts of Victoria. The area is booming. If there is increased crime it is WELL hidden.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 07:13 PM

I don't think the government should pay anyone endorsements, but in theory there is nothing wrong with it. Endorsements happen all the time, this one is relatively small all things considered.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 07:26 PM

I don't think the government should pay anyone endorsements, but in theory there is nothing wrong with it. Endorsements happen all the time, this one is relatively small all things considered.


It is an investment. They advertise their website all the time. What is the difference, other than it is an extremely successful campaign and has a huge ROI.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 07:55 PM

the big thing A LOT of people are missing here is BCLC is a Crown Corp. Tax payers would be up in arms if this were say BC Hydro, or BC Ferries.

I am not against this because it will help position the BCLC brand, but I can see why people would be mad.
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 07:56 PM

The amount of publicity they have garnered so far from Luongo's involvement in the World Series is worth more than $10k easy.

Playnow.com's poker rooms are tiny compared to the their competition. The largest site Poker Stars has about 280,000 players online during peak hours. Playnow.com has roughly 1500. If they want to grow and gain a bigger share of the pie they have to advertise.

Someone said he should return what's left of the $10,000 if there is anything left when he's finished. There is nothing left. The entry fee for the tournament is $10,000.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 06:58 AM

the big thing A LOT of people are missing here is BCLC is a Crown Corp. Tax payers would be up in arms if this were say BC Hydro, or BC Ferries.

I am not against this because it will help position the BCLC brand, but I can see why people would be mad.


BC Ferries is (or was, I think they discontinued it) a sponsor of the Canucks. I seem to remember the bottom of the jumbotron was a BC Ferries logo. I know of a few people that were questioning the value of that sponsorship.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:15 AM

How is gambling not ethical?


I don't know if ethical is the right way to put it. Ethical is just a word really.

To me , gambling is egocentric in nature.

Its fun for about a few hours , but then loses its appeal for my taste anyways. My wife and I go once a year on a 5 hr cruise and we gamble for about 2 hours of it.

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