Jai604 Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Can't we just get rid of Kassian and keep Ray? Kassian may seem promising to some people (and I'm not saying hes a bust) but Raymond needs and I would say deserves another season to get back to 100% He's givin alot to this Organization and he can be a good energy for the 3rd line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Doan can take Raymonds locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsasaki Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Raymond + pick + maybe prospect for Dubinsky we can hope right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsyukian Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Raymond is a waste of space on the 3rd or 4th line!!!! Typically on an NHL roster your first 2 lines are considered your scoring lines. The 3rd line is your checking line which matches up with the opposing teams scoring line and the 4th line is an energy line, playing around 10 minutes a game. Raymond does not hit! He is not very effective at checking and shutting down other teams top players in a shut-down role! the 4th line needs to throw the body every chance they get. Raymond does not hit! He should not be playing on the top 6 and will not be very effective on the bottom 6. TRADE HIM MG!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsyukian Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Am I ever glad you're not the GM. One of the stupidest posts I've seen in a while. Why the frack would you ever "get rid" of Kassian, when he can could develop another year in Chicago? Truthfully, IF we get Shane Doan, Raymond will have to be moved. Honestly, I think Raymond should be moved regardless, not because Raymond is a bad teammate or player, but just because he's not a good fir for us here in Vancouver. Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Booth-Kesler-Doan Higgins-Malhotra-Hansen Volpatti/Pinnizotto-Lapierre-Kassian (maybe Weise) Raymond fits nowhere in that lineup, whatsoever. He isn't good enough to bump anyone from the top 6, nor is he a big enough for the third line or a better checker than anyone on that line. Raymond is also not a 4-line player. He needs to go to a team that can use him in their top 6, it's really as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champions of Nothing Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I truly believe that Raymond is going to have to redefine himself as a bottom 6 forward if he wants to have a long NHL career. Either that or be happy being a top 6 forward on really bad teams. With or without Doan, I don't see him playing much top 6 minutes going forward. Guys like Higgins, Kassian, Hansen and Lapierre should be given the minutes over him. It's up to Mason if he wants to fit on a good time as a bottom 6, penalty killing forward. Maybe even the 5-7 even strength minutes 4th liners usually see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghockeyguy Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 He doesn't fit anywhere but Florida! Maybe Garrison can help him find a nice place to live there!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 3rd line on the Panthers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethorto Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 From what I've heard about Raymond off-the-ice, he's the type of character guy I'd want on a team of character guys. Sadly, his on-ice performance has left everyone wanting, at least since his injury. This is entirely understandable to me, but we have high expectations and demands on this team here in Vancouver, so there's constantly a lot of pressure on him to get back to 25 goals/season form. Sure, I've been frustated at times watching him give up the puck easily or just fall over, but I try to remember that this human being has limitations and that last season he was recovering from a very serious injury. But that was last season... This season, after a full off-season of training, I'm hoping to see a refreshed, healthy and hungry Mason Raymond, out there proving the negative-fans wrong, and doing his own skill-set justice. Having Doan on the team would be awesome, but I've learned not to hold my breath about these things (remember Schultz?). In where Doan is on the team and everyone healthy, then sure Raymond could end up on the 3rd or 4th line, that just makes sense. For me, in that specific circumstance, I'd rather him on the 4th line because the 3rd line could be a solid, defensive grinding line. The 4th line could be the surprise attack. Imagine a line that's fast, hits hard, and would force the other team to reconsider matching their 4th line against? Raymond-Malthotra/Lapierre-Kassian/Weise/Volpatti could bring that to the table (more Lappy than Manny, but Lappy may play himself onto the 3rd line). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mata10 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Doan or not, I don't want to see Raymond on the 2nd line. I like the AMEX line. Or I'd hope MG gets a better 2nd line winger for Kes. I actually would rather not see Raymond on the team at all... but... that's a different topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KING ALBERTS Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 forget doan... where does raymond fit now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehamburglar Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Jesus, wait and see how he does. He needs weight though. 25 pounds, about Hansen weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cr8zyCanuck Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 If we sign Doan, Raymond should be moved. On second thought Raymond should be moved anyways, he just doesnt fit here anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehamburglar Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I truly believe that Raymond is going to have to redefine himself as a bottom 6 forward if he wants to have a long NHL career. Either that or be happy being a top 6 forward on really bad teams. With or without Doan, I don't see him playing much top 6 minutes going forward. Guys like Higgins, Kassian, Hansen and Lapierre should be given the minutes over him. It's up to Mason if he wants to fit on a good time as a bottom 6, penalty killing forward. Maybe even the 5-7 even strength minutes 4th liners usually see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 You're usually right. 110% agree. END THREAD AFTER 1RST POST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCityScout Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 back to back presidents trophy winners some of us fans are back to back presidents trophy whiners for the rest of you Raymond fits where he lands and there is nothing any one can do about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoNucks74 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 For me, Raymond is a fast player that is good defensively and has the potential to do good on offense - but I just don't think he would fit anywhere on the Canucks. If the Canucks signed Doan, this is a line-up I would like to see: Daniel-Henrik-Doan Booth-Kesler-Burrows Higgins-Malholtra-Hansen Volpatti-Lapierre-Kassian I would like to see Schroeder in the line-up at the start of the season, as well as Jensen. I'm not sure if either of those things will happen though. If we don't sign Doan, and with Kesler out: Daniel-Henrik-Burrows Booth-Lapierre-Jensen Higgins-Schroeder-Hansen Volpatti-Malholtra-Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edler's Mind Tricks Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Sedin Sedin Doan Burrows Kesler Booth Higgins Schroeder Raymond Kassian Lapierre Hansen Seems pretty good to me! However, I think Raymond will be traded with Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Daniel-Henrik-Burrows Booth-Lapierre-Jensen Higgins-Schroeder-Hansen Volpatti-Malholtra-Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Raymond is lucky re-signed by the Canucks. He should be in the ECHL or a Swiss league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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