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#31 ubcanuck

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 03:58 PM

No i do not think I could have been more condescending. Your history of Reform, CRA is correct and highlights the fact that through the history the politics were coming servative albeit divided regionally. Thanks for the support. As for Mulcair, he spent 13 years with the QLP. Hardly a left leaning party. QLP was always slightly right of center in Quebec. bottom line even for me is that the political dance from NDP to Liberal or vice versa is more difficult than from Reform to Conservative.

As for provincial parties not reflecting their federal namesakes you are correct. It is laughable however that BC elected a conservative government which ran under the liberal banner and now people complain they are too conservative. But all this is for naught as it appears that once again the people of BC will cut off their noses to spite their faces and elect an NDPgovernment next year and chase all the business away. As I have said, the province should have it all economically. Thankfully for BC Calgarians could to help to vacation there and spend our money. Thanks to all you who serve our meals and keep our hotel rooms clean. We will continue ue to tip well.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:05 PM

No i  do not think I could have been more condescending. Your history of Reform, CRA is correct and highlights the fact that through the history the politics were coming servative albeit divided regionally. Thanks for the support. As for Mulcair, he spent 13 years with the QLP. Hardly a left leaning party. QLP was always slightly right of center in Quebec. bottom line even for me is that the political dance from NDP to Liberal or vice versa is more difficult than from Reform to Conservative.

As for provincial parties not reflecting their federal namesakes  you are correct. It is laughable however that BC elected a conservative government which ran under the liberal banner and now people complain they are too conservative. But all this is for naught as it appears that once again the people of BC will cut off their noses to spite their faces and elect an NDPgovernment next year and chase all the business away. As I have said, the province should have it all economically. Thankfully for BC Calgarians could to help to vacation there and spend our money. Thanks to all you who serve our meals and keep our hotel rooms clean. We will continue ue to tip well.


Well at least we agree that you were condescending. Do you honestly think there is no difference between the Reform/CA party and the Cons? The Reform was far more right wing then the Consverative party, but that didn't get them elected so Harper shifted to the centre to become PM. Political oportunism at its' finest.You didn't answer how switching from the Liberials to the NDP was political oportunism for Mulcair considering at the time the Liberials were by far the more popular party federally and provincially especially in Quebec.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:21 PM

In response to the second part of your post, please read this

http://thetyee.ca/Vi...9/04/23/BCEcon/

not once during the New Democrats' tenure did British Columbia record negative economic growth

Edited by Langdon Algur, 11 July 2012 - 04:34 PM.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 05:12 PM

Epic that no one actually discussed the video itself instead of bickering instead. And people wonder why we get the politics we get...

P.S. The video has a point. The productive economy of Alberta is not a disease, it's one of the few genuine economic engines in the country! If there's a disease it's the subsidized unproductive union dominated industry of the east that can't compete on the global stage anymore even WITH the government doing it's utmost to keep the Canadian dollar low.....

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 08:43 PM

Epic that no one actually discussed the video itself instead of bickering instead. And people wonder why we get the politics we get...

P.S. The video has a point. The productive economy of Alberta is not a disease, it's one of the few genuine economic engines in the country! If there's a disease it's the subsidized unproductive union dominated industry of the east that can't compete on the global stage anymore even WITH the government doing it's utmost to keep the Canadian dollar low.....


Thank you!!!

Ontario benefited for decades with a low Canadian dollar that compensated for poor productivity. They also benefited from Trudeau's energy policy that kept the east humming while it almost bankrupted Alberta. Now that they are on a level playing field, they can't compete and are blaming Alberta. Not all, mind you as there are hundreds of businesses in Ontario and Quebec that are profiting big time off the Alberta and Saskatchewan resource development.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 08:40 AM

Thank you!!!

Ontario benefited for decades with a low Canadian dollar that compensated for poor productivity.  They also benefited from Trudeau's energy policy that kept the east humming while it almost bankrupted Alberta. Now that they are on a level playing field, they can't compete and are blaming Alberta.  Not all, mind you as there are hundreds of businesses in Ontario and Quebec that are profiting big time off the Alberta and Saskatchewan resource development.


And what will happen when the oil sands run out or oil prices fall? History has shown that an economy based on one single resource is not sustainable. Don't beleive me, ask the people of Powell River or Port Alberni how relying on the lumber industry is going for them. Yes, Alberta's economy is doing well now but talk to me in 15 years and lets see how well they are doing. Alberta's economy is not sustainable and should NOT be the model for the rest of Canada.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 09:58 AM

And what will happen when the oil sands run out or oil prices fall? History has shown that an economy based on one single resource is not sustainable. Don't beleive me, ask the people of Powell River or Port Alberni how relying on the lumber industry is going for them. Yes, Alberta's economy is doing well now but talk to me in 15 years and lets see how well they are doing. Alberta's economy is not sustainable and should NOT be the model for the rest of Canada.


What will happen? They will make less off of oil. Probably a good idea to save up now while times are good.

If you want to plan for the future we should look at how we can up the productivity of our industrial east. That would be a plan moving forward that would work better than eating the goose while it's still laying golden eggs.

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:24 PM

And what will happen when the oil sands run out or oil prices fall? History has shown that an economy based on one single resource is not sustainable. Don't beleive me, ask the people of Powell River or Port Alberni how relying on the lumber industry is going for them. Yes, Alberta's economy is doing well now but talk to me in 15 years and lets see how well they are doing. Alberta's economy is not sustainable and should NOT be the model for the rest of Canada.


You're right, we should all just agree to be in a perpetual sate of recession to avoid future possible downturns. Ontario has had highs and lows as have all areas and all economies. Trying to manufacture a non-market slowing of Alberta's economy to pander to Ontario's inability to compete on the world markets is a recipe for disaster.

If you really believe that governments (especially socialist ones) are better at managing economic climates and outcomes, you should re-locate to Russia and see how well that's worked there.

Edited by DIBdaQUIB, 12 July 2012 - 03:25 PM.





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