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#1 key2thecup

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:21 PM

US moving submersibles to Persian Gulf to oppose Iran

WASHINGTON — The Navy is rushing dozens of unmanned underwater craft to the Persian Gulf to help detect and destroy mines in a major military buildup aimed at preventing Iran from closing the strategic Strait of Hormuz in the event of a crisis, U.S. officials said.

The tiny SeaFox submersibles each carry an underwater television camera, homing sonar and an explosive charge. The Navy bought them in May after an urgent request by Marine Gen. James Mattis, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East.

Each submersible is about 4 feet long and weighs less than 100 pounds. The craft are intended to boost U.S. military capabilities as negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program appear to have stalled. Three rounds of talks since April between Iran and the five countries in the United Nations Security Council plus Germany have made little progress.
Some U.S. officials are wary that Iran may respond to tightening sanctions on its banking and energy sectors, including a European Union oil embargo, by launching or sponsoring attacks on oil tankers or platforms in the Persian Gulf. Some officials in Tehran have threatened to close the narrow waterway, a choke point for a fifth of the oil traded worldwide.

The first of the SeaFox submersibles arrived in the Gulf in recent weeks, officials said, along with four MH-53 Sea Dragon helicopters and four minesweeping ships, part of a larger buildup of U.S. naval, air and ground forces in the region aimed at Iran.
The U.S. already has sent two aircraft carriers and a squadron of F-22 fighters to the Persian Gulf, and is keeping two U.S. army brigades in Kuwait. Though much of the buildup has been publicly acknowledged by the Pentagon, the deployment of the submersibles has not been publicly disclosed, apparently to avoid alerting Iran.

The SeaFox is small enough to be deployed from helicopters and even small rubber boats, but it also can be dropped off the back of a minesweeper. It is controlled by a fiber optic cable and sends live video back to a camera operator.
It can be used against floating or drifting mines, which Iran has used in the past. It operates up to 300 meters deep, and moves at speeds of up to six knots. But the $100,000 weapon is on a what amounts to a suicide mission. The “built-in, large caliber shaped charge” it carries destroys the mine but also the vehicle itself.

http://latimesblogs....ppose-iran.html



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Posted 11 July 2012 - 08:19 PM

lmfao, love the map. I don't blame Iran.
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 08:55 PM

"Each submersible is about 4 feet long and weighs less than 100 pounds"


Pound those war drums laff.
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 09:52 PM

"Each submersible is about 4 feet long and weighs less than 100 pounds"


Pound those war drums laff.


There is a much deeper build up occurring than just those unmanned submersibles



US quietly prepares for naval clash with Iran in Strait of Hormuz

Iran is ramping up its production of mini-submarines, which are 'a huge problem' for US naval power. The US has countered by sending minesweepers to the region.
Iran’s mini-submarines and Special Forces “frogmen” spell trouble for the US Navy

The Iranian military has a growing fleet of mini-submarines that is particularly difficult for the US Navy to detect and track. They are kitted out with torpedoes, highly-trained SEAL-like frogmen, and – most troublesome for the US military – mines that could threaten to shut down the vital Strait of Hormuz shipping lane.
In response, the commander of US forces in the region recently announced that the Navy would be doubling the number of its US minesweepers in the Gulf. The ranks of these minesweepers had remained steady for the past decade, but have risen from four to eight since June.

The ramped-up Iranian production of mini-submarines – as well as the Pentagon’s response – threatens to ratchet up military tensions in the region, analysts say.
The additional four Avenger-class minesweepers arrived in Bahrain on June 24. Along with the minesweepers, the Navy also sent additional minesweeping helicopters called “Sea Dragons.”
Their mission will be to counter the Iranian mini-submarines, which are “a huge problem for us,” says retired Navy Cmdr. Christopher Harmer, who from 2008 to 2009 was the director of future operations for the US Navy Fifth Fleet, stationed in Bahrain.
“They are a threat to us because they can disperse them throughout the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea, and it’s extremely difficult for us to track them,” he adds. As a result, they can lay "in wait to execute an ambush.”

The challenge of mini-subs

The US Navy is more accustomed to tracking large, Soviet-era nuclear-class submarines – something Iran knows well, adds Commander Harmer. “Looking for small subs in shallow water is much more difficult, because the acoustics are so much more difficult – smaller makes less noise.”
As a result, he adds, the Iranian military-industrial complex “has prioritized these mini-subs – and have gone into overdrive building them.” Mini-submarines are generally considered any submarine vessel under 500 tons and roughly 100 feet long or less.
Five years ago, the Iranian military had “no mini-subs,” says Harmer, senior naval analyst at the Institute for the Study of War in Washington. Now they have 19 in service, and are building an average of four per year – a “strategically significant” force, he adds.

While the diesel-electric powered Iranian mini-submarines have limited range, they have torpedo tubes and can quickly lay mines, which is their most troublesome feature, according to US military officials.

Iran also has “significant special operations capability,” including “extensively” trained frogmen, says Harmer. However, at a tactical level, the most likely use of Iranian frogmen would be against civilian targets such as oil tankers and other international commercial maritime traffic, he adds.
But if conflict between the US and Iran escalated militarily, Iran could also conceivably use its frogmen to attack a new pipeline that runs from the United Arab Emirates to the Gulf of Oman, a pipeline that bypasses the Straits of Hormuz.
The production of the mini-submarines is clear confirmation that while the average Iranian citizen has suffered greatly under Western sanctions, the Iranian military-industrial complex has not been affected “in any substantial way,” Harmer says.
The answer, he says, is to “substantially increase the sanctions – or acknowledge that they’re not working.”

Prospects for imminent war still small

Indeed, as the negotiations with Iran break down, “I think it’s almost inevitable that the military tensions in the Gulf increase,” says Michael Singh, former senior director for Middle East affairs at the National Security Council. “I think that it’s natural on one hand to see Western policymakers giving more serious thought to the use of military options to bolster our position in the Gulf.”
In response, “What you’re seeing is the Iranians beefing up their asymmetric naval warfare capabilities, as opposed to trying to take on the US Navy head-to-head.”
That said, “I don’t think war is imminent,” adds Mr. Singh, now managing director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. But it does make sense, he adds “to give credibility to your military threat so that the Iranians consider negotiations more seriously – and any red line you set down.”
Though the threat posed by Iranian mini-submarines is “valid,” the likelihood that Iran would use the submarines to threaten US interests in the region is “fairly small,” Harmer adds. “The Iranians know that if they try to mine the strait, the US Navy can clean it up” in “five or six days.”
It is also clear that the US Navy would view any mine-laying as a reason to “take military action to degrade the Iranian military,” he adds. “They know that in a straight-up fight, they cannot handle the American military. So they are trying to exercise as much influence and control without ever coming into outright conflict with the West.”
America, too, must choose its actions carefully. “You want them to have a real respect for military options, yet at the same time you don’t want to take it so far that you spark an inadvertent conflict in the process,” Singh says. “That’s the fine line you’ve got to walk.”

http://www.csmonitor...trait-of-Hormuz




U.S. rushing unmanned underwater mine-clearing craft to Persian Gulf to oppose Iran as tensions rise

The U.S Navy is transporting dozens of unmanned underwater craft to the Persian Gulf to help locate and destroy mines in anticipation of a military conflict with Iran and the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.
The tiny SeaFox four-foot long submersibles are equipped with an underwater camera, sonar and an explosive charge and have been urgently requested by Marine General James Mattis, the top U.S military official in the Middle East.
Each $100,000 submersible is designed to be either detonated near mines in the water or to detonate the mines themselves by ramming them.


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A $100,000 SeaFox submersible: A large number of the unmanned underwater craft have been dispatched to the Persian Gulf in anticipation of a future conflict with Iran


They are deployed by helicopters or small boats and can operate up to 1,000 feet deep and can travel at speeds of up to six knots.
The request for the highly specialised unmanned craft comes as negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program seemingly grind to a halt.


In three rounds of talks since April between Iran - which claims it is pursuing nuclear power for civilian means - and the five permanent members of the U.N Security Council and Germany have produced little progress.
However, while the European Union oil embargo and sanctions make their effect felt in Iran, some U.S. officials worry that the Islamic Republic might lash out by launching or sponsoring attacks on oil tankers or platforms in the Persian Gulf.


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The Mine countermeasure ship USS Avenger: The U.S. Navy has increased the number of Avenger class minesweepers in the Persian Gulf from four to eight in recent months


Officials in Tehran have threatened to close the narrow Strait of Hormuz before, thereby affecting up to a fifth of the oil traded worldwide.
The first batch of the SeaFox unmanned submersibles have already been deployed to the Persian Gulf along with four MH-53 Sea Dragon helicopters.
In addition, the U.S. Navy has also doubled the number of minesweepers in the region as it prepares for a military conflict with Iran.
The four Avenger-class vessels arrived in Bahrain on June 24 to counter the threat of Iranian midget-submarines, which 'are a huge problem for us,' according to retired Navy Commander Christopher Harmer, who from 2008 to 2009 was the director of future operations for the U.S. Navy Fifth Fleet.


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Iranian submarines participate in a naval parade: The U.S military is worried about the capabilities of Iran's fleet of small submarines that are capable of laying mines and disrupting the oil trade

'They are a threat to us because they can disperse them throughout the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea and its extremely difficult for us to track them,' said Harmer to the Christian Science Monitor
'As a result they can lay in wait to execute an ambush.'
While the U.S. Navy is well practiced tracking larger submarines, searching for smaller units is not something they have had to do.
'Looking for small subs in shallow water is much more difficult, because the acoustics are so much more difficult - smaller makes less noise,' said Harmer.
With 19 of these submarines estimated to be in service, the Iranian navy is expected to add another four each year.



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The USS Enterprise is one of two American aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf region

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The USS Abraham Lincoln is also in the vicinity to protect shipping through the Strait of Hormuz


The capabilities the submarines possess most feared by the U.S. military are their ability to quickly and stealthily lay down mines and also potentially get near to the enormous aircraft carriers that are positioned in the Persian Gulf.
The United States already has two aircraft carriers, the USS Enterprise and USS Abraham Lincoln in the region, with two army brigades stationed in Kuwait and a squadron of F-22 fighters.
While clearly prepared for an escalation in the nuclear stand-off with Iran, analysts are pessimistic for a resolution.
'I think it’s almost inevitable that the military tensions in the Gulf increase,' said Michael Singh, former senior director for Middle East affairs at the National Security Council to the Christian Science Monitor.
'I think that it’s natural on one hand to see Western policymakers giving more serious thought to the use of military options to bolster our position in the Gulf.'

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 02:38 AM

Iran is manipulating the Earth's lithosphere/tectonic plates to move themselves closer to the US so that in ten billion years they might be close enough to hit them with a SCUD missile, clearly this is a sign of war.

Bombs away!

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 03:38 AM

Well the troops just got out of Iraq... what would the US do without 2 simultaneous Middle-Eastern wars? Actually work on things like their economy? HA!
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Posted 12 July 2012 - 06:24 PM

Well the troops just got out of Iraq... what would the US do without 2 simultaneous Middle-Eastern wars? Actually work on things like their economy? HA!


War is a great way for politicians to hide domestic problems while everyone is swept in blind patriotism.

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War in August? US sends fourth aircraft carrier and dozens of underwater drones towards Iran


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The US Navy has unexpectedly dispatched a fourth aircraft carrier to the Persian Gulf, along with a fleet of underwater drones in what is being considered just the latest move in a series of escalations leading towards a potential war with Iran.

The deployment of dozens of small, unmanned submarine-like watercraft was confirmed by the Los Angeles Times this week, which cites military officials speaking on condition of anonymity.
This particular type of craft, unmanned SeaFox submersible, are reported to be sent to the Gulf so that the US military can detect and destroy any mines that may be planted in the waterway by Iranian officials if they escalate efforts to block the Strait of Hormuz, a strategically important narrow stretch of water that exists as an immensely important conduit for any resources being moved in or out of the Middle East.
The Times says that the subs, at only 4 feet long and fewer than 100 pounds apiece, can move at speeds up to six knots at depths of 300 feet. The price-tag is reported to be $100,000 each, which includes an intricate waterproof television camera and a homing sonar system. The US rush-ordered a shipment in May in a deal with Germany under the direct of Marine Gen. James Mattis, the top US commander in the Middle East. It is reported that a fleet of SeaFox subs were deployed overseas several weeks back, but has only been confirmed now.
The United States has already sent three massive aircraft carriers to the waterways outside of Iran, including the USS Enterprise, the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower and the USS Abraham Lincoln, and will now add the USS John C Stennis to that fleet in August. Unlike these behemoth ships equipped with billions worth of weaponry and service personnel, America’s other new addition to the battlefront is invisible to those on land and can be controlled from anywhere in the world.
"In the Cold War, minesweeping warfare was a large part of what the Navy did, but we have lost a lot of our minesweeping capability," Christopher Harmer, a senior analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, tells the Times."The SeaFox is a relatively simple, off-the-shelf system that we can put off our minesweepers but also any surface ship."
Harmer adds to the paper that although Iran has the capabilities of coming through with its threats of closing the strait, the latest addition to the United States Navy would make sure a blockade wouldn’t last long.
"If they wanted to close the Strait of Hormuz, they could do it, but they would only be able to do it one time," he says.
The new fleet of SeaFox subs will accompany two massive aircraft carriers and a collection of F-22 fighter jets that America has already sent towards Iran. When the United States upped its presence in Persian Gulf earlier this year, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told reporters, “We want them to know that we are fully prepared to deal with any contingency and it’s better for them to try to deal with us through diplomacy.”
http://rt.com/usa/ne...drone-iran-066/


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:37 PM




US Navy Fires on Ship in Persian Gulf, One Dead




An American Navy ship fired on a boat in the Persian Gulf today, killing one person and injuring three others aboard the craft, a U.S. naval official told ABC News.
A spokesperson for the Navy's 5th Fleet, which is based in nearby Bahrain, said that a security team aboard the oil supply ship U.S.N.S. Rappahannock fired a .50 caliber machine gun at a "small motor vessel after it disregarded warnings and rapidly approached the U.S. ship" off the coast of Jebel Ali, a city approximately 30 miles from Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.
The Navy is investigating the incident as details continue to emerge. A Navy official said the offending vessel was a white pleasure craft, but a UAE official told ABC News it was a fishing boat with four Indians and two Emirates on board. There doesn't appear to be any indication the incident was terror-related, the UAE official said.
The Navy official said it's not uncommon for Iranian speed craft to harass U.S. ships in the region, but in this case the boat wasn't Iranian.
"I can't emphasize enough that this has nothing to do with Iran," the official said.

American sailors are trained to take special caution of any vessels that appear to be approaching their warships. In 2000 the destroyer U.S.S. Cole was attacked off the coast of Yemen by al Qaeda terrorists who used a small private craft armed with explosives to ram the ship, killing 17 American sailors.
Word of the shooting comes on the same day that the Pentagon confirmed that it had agreed to a recent request from U.S. Central Command to maintain a two carrier presence in the Middle East.
The carrier U.S.S. John C. Stennis has been ordered to head to the region four months ahead of schedule in September to replace the outgoing U.S.S. Enterprise. A Pentagon spokesman said the Stennis is being sent so that there is no gap in between two carrier assignments to the region.
On Sunday, the U.S.S. Eisenhower replaced the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln in the region. By replacing the Enterprise, the U.S. will now be able to avoid having just one carrier in the region.
The U.S. Navy usually rotates one of its two carriers into the Persian Gulf while the other operates in the Arabian Sea providing air support for the war in Afghanistan.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-navy-fires-ship-persian-gulf-dead/story?id=16787035#.UARsMY6hDzI


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 12:51 PM

Let's get this war in Iran going already Obama, this economy and my oil stocks aren't going to fix themselves. Plus, what a great way to forget about the troubles in the Euro zone.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 08:56 PM

USA are war starters. Attacking oil rich countries, but staying away from Countries with no oil. Bunch of losers. They will get it coming in the near future. It's Karma. You can't attack other countries without consequenses.
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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:00 PM

USA are war starters. Attacking oil rich countries, but staying away from Countries with no oil. Bunch of losers. They will get it coming in the near future. It's Karma. You can't attack other countries without consequenses.


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Posted 16 July 2012 - 09:51 PM

I really hope Iran takes out as many American soldiers as they can. We all know USA is starting wars and killing innocent peoples.
Corrupt nation, corrupt leaders, retarded citizens. Yeah spending all the taxpayers money to fund the military sure has done worked well. Hopefully Russia and China take out USA the quicker the better!!!!!!!
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:58 AM

I really hope Iran takes out as many American soldiers as they can. We all know USA is starting wars and killing innocent peoples.
Corrupt nation, corrupt leaders, retarded citizens. Yeah spending all the taxpayers money to fund the military sure has done worked well. Hopefully Russia and China take out USA the quicker the better!!!!!!!


Irans government is just as bad. The soldiers from both sides are just doing their job and don't deserve to die. You would rather have Russia and China run the world? Wow count me out of that idea, obviously you haven't seen their track record.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:01 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GChiOfCEht4


http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-18874755

For anyone curious, it was an Indian fishing boat that supposedly ignored warnings to turn away.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:04 AM

USA are war starters. Attacking oil rich countries, but staying away from Countries with no oil. Bunch of losers. They will get it coming in the near future. It's Karma. You can't attack other countries without consequenses.


Well all the countries the USA has gone to war with have been no angels themselves. Iraq first aggressed for oil before the US and then got attacked in turn. Although for the wrong reasons the second time, but to me Saddam had it coming either way. Most governments are bad but I would prefer the US in power than Russia and China. That's for sure.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:08 AM

I really hope Iran takes out as many American soldiers as they can. We all know USA is starting wars and killing innocent peoples.
Corrupt nation, corrupt leaders, retarded citizens. Yeah spending all the taxpayers money to fund the military sure has done worked well. Hopefully Russia and China take out USA the quicker the better!!!!!!!


China and Russia could give the USA a lesson in corruption.

Not sure if trolling or stupid.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:19 AM

Let's get this war in Iran going already Obama, this economy and my oil stocks aren't going to fix themselves. Plus, what a great way to forget about the troubles in the Euro zone.


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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:01 PM

Update to the vessel that was fired upon:





Indian fishermen say U.S. boat fired without warning



(Reuters) - Indian fishermen who survived a hail of gunfire from a U.S. navy boat off the coast of the United Arab Emirates disputed U.S. claims that their boat drew fire after ignoring warnings to steer clear of the American vessel.

One Indian was killed and three others injured on Monday when the USNS Rappahannock, a refueling ship, fired on the fishing vessel, which the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet said approached at high speed and ignored repeated warnings.

The incident highlighted the potential for a rapid escalation of tensions in Gulf waters, where U.S. forces are expanding their presence as Washington ramps up pressure on Iran over its nuclear program.

The fishermen, hospitalized with gunshot wounds after the incident near Dubai's Jebel Ali port, said on Tuesday that they received no warning before the U.S. craft opened fire, and that their craft had attempted to avoid any contact with it.

"We had no warning at all from the ship, we were speeding up to try and go around them and then suddenly we got fired at," 28-year-old Muthu Muniraj told Reuters from hospital, his legs punctured by the rounds of the U.S. craft's .50-caliber gun.

"We know warning signs and sounds and there were none; it was very sudden. My friend was killed, he's gone. I don't understand what happened."

A Fifth Fleet spokesman, Lt. Greg Raelson, asked whether the identification of the craft as a fishing boat made the threat cited by the Navy less likely, said an internal inquiry into the incident had not finished.

"Non-lethal measures were taken while attempting to signal the vessel," he said, adding that the fishing craft did not respond. "That was when the security team fired rounds from the .50-caliber ... Our ships have an inherent right to self-defense against lethal threats."

The United States has been particularly wary of attacks on its ships since two al Qaeda suicide bombers rammed an explosives-laden boat into the USS Cole in 2000, blowing a massive hole in its side and killing 17 U.S. sailors.

In Monday's incident, other members of the boat's crew, which consisted of six Indians and two Emiratis, said their boat had come under fire as it returned from trawling in waters off Jebel Ali.

"We were fishing and then on the way back they started shooting at us, so many shots, like a storm," said 35-year-old Muthu Kannan, who had a gunshot wound to the abdomen and a lower leg wired into place with metal rods.

"This is not the first time for us to go out in the boat and we all know what a warning is," said 26-year-old Pandu Sanadhan. "All I can remember is a lot of shooting."

ASSURANCES

An Indian government spokesman said he had assurances that Washington would provide a full account of the incident, and the Indian foreign ministry said it had no position on the issue of whether the fisherman were warned before the shooting.

But in the UAE, Indian ambassador M.K Lokesh told Reuters after meeting with the fishermen: "Obviously if they were warned they would not go close to such a big vessel. Even if shots were fired in the air, these fishermen would have moved away."

Asked if the Indian government would press for legal charges to be lodged against the U.S. sailors involved, he said: "We have to wait for the inquiry to be completed by the Dubai police before we move any further. But we are pushing for quick completion for the investigations."

Some Indian media appeared to blame the United States for the incident; one television channel ran headlines reading "Murder on the High Seas" and "No Regret, No Apology from America". In a statement, the U.S. embassy in New Delhi expressed its condolences to the families of the boat's crew.

Iran said the incident threatened to further destabilize a region already shaken by the international dispute over Tehran's nuclear program, which Washington and its allies believe is geared to make bombs.

Tehran denies it is seeking nuclear weapons and has repeatedly threatened to close the Gulf's outlet, the Strait of Hormuz through which 40 percent of the world's sea-borne oil exports are carried, if threatened over its nuclear plans.

"We have announced time and again that the presence of foreign forces can be a threat to regional security," Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said during a news conference broadcast on state television.

The U.S. Navy said in February that Iran had built up its naval forces in the Gulf and prepared boats that could be used in suicide attacks.

"They have increased the number of submarines ... they increased the number of fast attack craft," said Vice Admiral Mark Fox, commander of U.S. naval forces in the region.

"Some of the small boats have been outfitted with a large warhead that could be used as a suicide explosive device. The Iranians have a large mine inventory."

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:21 PM

Irans government is just as bad. The soldiers from both sides are just doing their job and don't deserve to die. You would rather have Russia and China run the world? Wow count me out of that idea, obviously you haven't seen their track record.


What does China and Russia have anything to do with, USA sending Carriers submarines and vessels to that area is beyond me.
Corruption among the goverment does not mean country is willing to start wars. Indonesia is considered the most corrupt country in the world. Are they invading anyone? It's funny how USA is ready to attack another country, then some random person says, "Do you rather have China and Russia control the world.?" I don't get this. China and Russia has nothing to do with anything. russia did say, They will protect Iran. But this is all on USA if a war does break out. Not China or Russia.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:25 PM

Well all the countries the USA has gone to war with have been no angels themselves. Iraq first aggressed for oil before the US and then got attacked in turn. Although for the wrong reasons the second time, but to me Saddam had it coming either way. Most governments are bad but I would prefer the US in power than Russia and China. That's for sure.


What does China and Russia have to do with anything? What are you really trying to say that is a bit relevant to USA stationing their vessels outside Iran. Thank you.
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Corrupt nation, corrupt leaders, retarded citizens. Yeah spending all the taxpayers money to fund the military sure has done worked well. Hopefully Russia and China take out USA the quicker the better!!!!!!!

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:03 PM

"Iraq first aggressed for oil before the US and then got attacked in turn"

If this is about the Kuwait invasion:
IIRC Saddam asked Kuwait to stop slant drilling into Iraqi territory,they didn't.
Saddam asked the UN to ask Kuwait to stop slant drilling,they didn't so Saddam invaded.
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:10 AM

‘US to Iran: In case of Israeli strike, don’t fire on our bases’

Washington tells Tehran that it will not join in an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear program, Yedioth Ahronoth reports



The United States has no intention of joining in a preemptive Israeli strike on Iran and expects the Islamic Republic to refrain from attacking US targets in the case of such an attack, senior Washington officials told their Iranian counterparts, according to a report in Yedioth Ahronoth on Monday.

In recent days, senior administration officials reportedly sent messages to Iran, through diplomats from two European states, addressing the possibility that Israel would launch a unilateral strike and establishing that the US expects Iran to not draw it into a conflict by firing on American army bases and aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf.

Monday’s report came amid widespread debate over the level of coordination between Israel and the US on halting Iran’s nuclear program, which — despite assurances by US Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro on Sunday that the relationship is as good as ever — appeared to be strained.

While Israel has warned that the Iranians are quickly approaching a potential weapons capability and that the use of force must be seriously considered, the US says sanctions and international diplomacy must be given more time to work.

Highlighting the disagreement between the two countries on the use of force were reports of a scaling-down of joint US-Israel missile defense exercises in October, and public comments by the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey, who said last Thursday that he did not want to be “complicit” in an Israeli attack on Iran.

Earlier on Sunday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hinted at criticism of the US position on Iran, telling ministers at the weekly Cabinet meeting that the international community has failed to send a clear message to Iran regarding its nuclear program. Netanyahu said that while international sanctions have harmed Tehran, they haven’t done “anything to stall the progress of the nuclear program.”

On Saturday, former minister Tzachi Hanegbi said the United States is not determined to halt Iran from getting a bomb and last eek’s IAEA report, which indicated that Iran has expanded its capacity for uranium enrichment, granted Israel even more legitimacy to strike Iran on its own.

Meanwhile, the New York Times reported on Monday that the Obama Administration is installing new curbs against Iran as a way to calm Israel and keep Jerusalem from launching an attack. It asserted that the president was considering a declaration of American “red lines.”

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:24 AM

The problem with Iran is that they will not distinguish between Israel and America. They will respond to an Israeli attack by attacking American forces in the region. That being said, America has been strengthening their fortifications should Iran decided to attak the US bases. And there would be hell to pay if they did so. I feel bad for my friends stationed in the Middle East.

As for keeping the waterway open, Qatar and other countried have been building a pipeline to bypass the Strait of Hormuz. This will help prevent Iran from cutting off the world's oil supply.
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:27 AM

What did you people expect? Obama certainly doesn't want a war with Iran or anyone else. His chances of reelection are zero if he is the one that strikes first. The US is taking precautionary measures. Sorry to burst your bubble 'Murrica bashers.
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:30 AM

What did you people expect? Obama certainly doesn't want a war with Iran or anyone else. His chances of reelection are zero if he is the one that strikes first. The US is taking precautionary measures. Sorry to burst your bubble 'Murrica bashers.

And Obama does not have the cajones to actually do something.
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:31 AM

And Obama does not have the cajones to actually do something.


He killed Bin Laden.

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:40 AM

And Obama does not have the cajones to actually do something.

I think he does if they are attacked first. There is no way he will do a pre-emptive strike or anything like that though.
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:40 AM

He killed Bin Laden.

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It was the right decision, after sitting on the intel for months.
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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:44 AM

I think he does if they are attacked first. There is no way he will do a pre-emptive strike or anything like that though.

I would hope so. I have many close friends that are US soldiers. They would want to fight back in a heartbeat. I really do not see it escalating into force on force situation, because Iran would have their butt handed to them in a sling. At least the US bases in the Middle East are protected by a missle shield.
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