needtogetswole Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 It gets frustrating seeing every post about how were going to get SHEA WEBER... We are not going to get SHEA WEBER because GMMG wouldn't spend 9m on a player. You can get two players for 9m and be an impact right away. Yes I'd love to see SHEA WEBER on the canucks but that means raises for the Sedin's will certainly have them making 8-9m even though they probably would want to take a discount.. Kesler would be bumped up in pay... to be a great team and win the stanley cup.. you need to be a balanced team that's what we had a couple of years ago when we went to the stanley cup final but just fell short. You can't have two guys making 8-9m - you would certainly be lacking in other areas unless you've got rookies that are on there rookie contracts. Garrison is a great signing and our top 4 all can play as the top 2. ALL DEFENSE NO OFFENSE - NO CUP ALL OFFENSE NO DEFENSE - NO CUP we need a balanced team which we currently have - if we add DOAN, even better. flame away or agree but that's what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surtur Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 yeah Weber for more then 6 would probably mean an end to the core we have. and a huge drop in the depth we have available. would love him but do we need him to win a cup i hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danthecanucksfan Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Sedin's 6th Sense Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Reasons why he has a chance, a fair one, to sign with us: - hometown boy / less cap (will be max $7.5 if he signs with us) - has turned down a long term contract before and barely got one done...was made through arbitration - a sign he wants out and heck, his former defensive linemate Hamhuis played on the same team and left to come here: another hometown boy. ...him signing at big money will not equal a pay raise for everyone...he is in a league of his own and him signing with us at $7.5 is still a great price as he can get 8+ elsewhere. Sedin's aren't labelled as game breakers or elite stars for some reason - never heat them with names like Crosby - and Kesler isn't an all star too...he's arguably had 1 great year and this past season sucked. Players know their roles and won't want more cause a player like Weber is an elite for his position but even if players did, speculating that the Sedin's would only get and deserve it, they would go up 6.5-7 and it wouldn't handicap us cause the cap has been going up crazy annually lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needtogetswole Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Reasons why he has a chance, a fair one, to sign with us: - hometown boy / less cap (will be max $7.5 if he signs with us) - has turned down a long term contract before and barely got one done...was made through arbitration - a sign he wants out and heck, his former defensive linemate Hamhuis played on the same team and left to come here: another hometown boy. ...him signing at big money will not equal a pay raise for everyone...he is in a league of his own and him signing with us at $7.5 is still a great price as he can get 8+ elsewhere. Sedin's aren't labelled as game breakers or elite stars for some reason - never heat them with names like Crosby - and Kesler isn't an all star too...he's arguably had 1 great year and this past season sucked. Players know their roles and won't want more cause a player like Weber is an elite for his position but even if players did, speculating that the Sedin's would only get and deserve it, they would go up 6.5-7 and it wouldn't handicap us cause the cap has been going up crazy annually lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 not sure why you have Shea Weber and "balanced team" in the same sentence... like you said it's basically unattainable within the current cap structure... I think MG should give more chances to young players on ELC's who have more proven records of being clutch players in junior (if only we drafted Henrique... though I'm optimistic about Jensen and Gaunce); I also like the balance that already exists on the D-core, and if a game-breaker could be developed/ signed they should be good to go for quite awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 You can get two players for 9m and be an impact right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I agree completely. Though obviously a player like Weber would really be nice to have, but the way I see it, no one should make more money than the Sedins. If we can get Weber next year for 6mil cap hit then great. If not, go for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I agree completely. Though obviously a player like Weber would really be nice to have, but the way I see it, no one should make more money than the Sedins. If we can get Weber next year for 6mil cap hit then great. If not, go for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewok Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Reasons why he has a chance, a fair one, to sign with us: - hometown boy / less cap (will be max $7.5 if he signs with us) - has turned down a long term contract before and barely got one done...was made through arbitration - a sign he wants out and heck, his former defensive linemate Hamhuis played on the same team and left to come here: another hometown boy. ...him signing at big money will not equal a pay raise for everyone...he is in a league of his own and him signing with us at $7.5 is still a great price as he can get 8+ elsewhere. Sedin's aren't labelled as game breakers or elite stars for some reason - never heat them with names like Crosby - and Kesler isn't an all star too...he's arguably had 1 great year and this past season sucked. Players know their roles and won't want more cause a player like Weber is an elite for his position but even if players did, speculating that the Sedin's would only get and deserve it, they would go up 6.5-7 and it wouldn't handicap us cause the cap has been going up crazy annually lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHobo73 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 It gets frustrating seeing every post about how were going to get SHEA WEBER... We are not going to get SHEA WEBER because GMMG wouldn't spend 9m on a player. You can get two players for 9m and be an impact right away. Yes I'd love to see SHEA WEBER on the canucks but that means raises for the Sedin's will certainly have them making 8-9m even though they probably would want to take a discount.. Kesler would be bumped up in pay... to be a great team and win the stanley cup.. you need to be a balanced team that's what we had a couple of years ago when we went to the stanley cup final but just fell short. You can't have two guys making 8-9m - you would certainly be lacking in other areas unless you've got rookies that are on there rookie contracts. Garrison is a great signing and our top 4 all can play as the top 2. ALL DEFENSE NO OFFENSE - NO CUP ALL OFFENSE NO DEFENSE - NO CUP we need a balanced team which we currently have - if we add DOAN, even better. flame away or agree but that's what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 There is an argument for a player 5 years younger than the Sedins who is already in the top 5 of his position in the league earning more than they do. Should it be way more? No, but I don't think they'd be offended if he did come here for under market value. The Sedins signed a very good contract, but they also hadn't officially become elite players until their career highs in the first year of those contracts. Had they started producing like that on their old contract, they'd likely have earned more. Weber's already an elite player, and got his increase last year. Had he signed a longer term deal, it might even have been just under $7M. It's easy to imagine him performing at a high level for 6-8 years, and not out of the realm of possibility that he gets the last of the 10 year deals before the new CBA kicks in. One other point, what if Edler wants his new deal puts to be on par with the Sedins'? Would that be ok since it's not over the Sedins, or would Weber for, say an extra $1.5M (his current deal but on longer term so reduced cap hit) over Edler be worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacare Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 last 4 years 2 teams have won the cup with the not overpaying/underpaying mantra(PIT, BOS). however, chicago and LA both won with paying lots to players who werent leaders, in chicago it was hossa, and campbell making more than kane toews, seabrook, and for a period keith. la has doughy 8y/56m, kopitar 7y/47.6, carter 11y/58m, richards 12y/69m. richards will be the highest payed player on the la kings next year with a salary of 8.4m. both methods work. you do what you have to to win. weber brings leadership qualities with him too. we're also still missing that true #1 dman that every cup winner has. the question is more about the CBA negoitiations and wether we'd have the cap room to sign him to that 7-8.5per deal. the problem with all these "sign for less" deals is gillis is giving No trades away with em. so with garrison, bieksa, hamhuis having them either edler+ is moved for weber this year, or weber aint on the radar at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Reasons why he has a chance, a fair one, to sign with us: - hometown boy / less cap (will be max $7.5 if he signs with us) - has turned down a long term contract before and barely got one done...was made through arbitration - a sign he wants out and heck, his former defensive linemate Hamhuis played on the same team and left to come here: another hometown boy. ...him signing at big money will not equal a pay raise for everyone...he is in a league of his own and him signing with us at $7.5 is still a great price as he can get 8+ elsewhere. Sedin's aren't labelled as game breakers or elite stars for some reason - never heat them with names like Crosby - and Kesler isn't an all star too...he's arguably had 1 great year and this past season sucked. Players know their roles and won't want more cause a player like Weber is an elite for his position but even if players did, speculating that the Sedin's would only get and deserve it, they would go up 6.5-7 and it wouldn't handicap us cause the cap has been going up crazy annually lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 last 4 years 2 teams have won the cup with the not overpaying/underpaying mantra(PIT, BOS). however, chicago and LA both won with paying lots to players who werent leaders, in chicago it was hossa, and campbell making more than kane toews, seabrook, and for a period keith. la has doughy 8y/56m, kopitar 7y/47.6, carter 11y/58m, richards 12y/69m. richards will be the highest payed player on the la kings next year with a salary of 8.4m. both methods work. you do what you have to to win. weber brings leadership qualities with him too. we're also still missing that true #1 dman that every cup winner has. the question is more about the CBA negoitiations and wether we'd have the cap room to sign him to that 7-8.5per deal. the problem with all these "sign for less" deals is gillis is giving No trades away with em. so with garrison, bieksa, hamhuis having them either edler+ is moved for weber this year, or weber aint on the radar at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needtogetswole Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 His point being, every time someone has an idea, it doesn't mean you have to go and create a thread saying how wrong they are. If you don't agree with what someone has posted, feel free to discuss it in their thread, but you aren't hitting your target audience by going off on your own rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needtogetswole Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 First off, yes GMMG will spend $9 million on a player... In fact, he would (and has) spent $10 Million on a player... Second, Weber likely wont be paid $9 million per season if he signs here... Second, the Sedins likely wont be getting raises since they will be on the decline of their careers by the time their contracts run out. Well, maybe they could get a raise to maybe $7 million per season if I think about it... But I would expect their cap hit to stay the same or drop by $0.5 million per season. Third, to be a great team and win the Stanley Cup, it would definitely help to have a Shea Weber on our team Lastly, you make it seem like Weber is a bad thing, but in reality, if we signed him as an UFA, you'd creme your pants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keslerian one Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 It gets frustrating seeing every post about how were going to get SHEA WEBER... We are not going to get SHEA WEBER because GMMG wouldn't spend 9m on a player. You can get two players for 9m and be an impact right away. Yes I'd love to see SHEA WEBER on the canucks but that means raises for the Sedin's will certainly have them making 8-9m even though they probably would want to take a discount.. Kesler would be bumped up in pay... to be a great team and win the stanley cup.. you need to be a balanced team that's what we had a couple of years ago when we went to the stanley cup final but just fell short. You can't have two guys making 8-9m - you would certainly be lacking in other areas unless you've got rookies that are on there rookie contracts. Garrison is a great signing and our top 4 all can play as the top 2. ALL DEFENSE NO OFFENSE - NO CUP ALL OFFENSE NO DEFENSE - NO CUP we need a balanced team which we currently have - if we add DOAN, even better. flame away or agree but that's what I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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