King of the ES Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 How does nationality matter at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 no everyone is single minded but you. I dont care how we do it.........but we need size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanCityNuck Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Jerry Sanduski wanted to get younger and bigger too. Look where that got him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commercial Canuck Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Jerry Sanduski wanted to get younger and bigger too. Look where that got him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suolucidir Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 He's a thinker, not a doer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Jerry Sanduski wanted to get younger and bigger too. Look where that got him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 In 1997, The Hockey News commemorated their 50th anniversary with a list of the 50 top NHL players of all-time The top ten players, in order, were: Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Mario Lemieux, Maurice Richard, Doug Harvey, Jean Beliveau, Bobby Hull, Terry Sawchuk and Eddie Shore.[3] Gretzky 6 ' Orr 5 ' 11 Howe 6' 1 " Le Mieux 6' 4" M. Richard 5' 10" Harvey 5' 11" Beliveau 6' 3" Hull 5' 10" Sawchuk 5' 11" Shore 5' 11" Six of the top 10 all time best players in NHL history were 5' 11" and under. Seven of the top ten all time best players in NHL history were 6' and under. Quantity will never replace quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Well,if you believe any of those players would be less effective because they are a few inches shorter than many of the oxen today,I disagree. Pavel Bure was this team's best ever player and it would not matter how many 6'4" hench men are on the ice,he is still going around them or through them. The list is there and it is pretty evident that 'bigger is better' is a fallacy and even a laughing matter. Talent is not given out in height measurements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 The list is there and it is pretty evident that bigger is better is a fallacy and even a fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 It's the right thing to do "to get younger and bigger". After the 94 Finals we kept trying to put more experienced guys in place, instead of trying to get younger. Although we had a good intentions with players like Mogilny and Tikkenen, it never panned out in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Totally agree. The only way it's a factor is if the smaller player in question buys all the media/fan/Gillis hoopla about "the importance of size", and it adversely affects his play. But even then, that's a character flaw (lack of self-belief), and not evidence that it's size which is holding him back. It's complete nonsense that a guy who's 6'3" and 200 lbs. is somehow inherently more valuable than a guy who's 5'11" and 200 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 What I can't figure out is this relationship between Gillis & Coach V. What does this have to do with "Younger & Bigger" you ask? Well, it's just that Gillis has supported and rehired a coach who refuses to give young players ice time, and then made a public statement about getting younger and using his draft picks. We only have to look back to Cody Hodgson (?) and Michael Grabner to see an example of Coach V at work. Especially with Grabner; he gives the guy 2 or 3 minutes a game with the 4th line plumbers and then when the guy isn't on pace for a point a game, or lets someone get by him for a goal, he's back to the farm team. Sure, he gave Tanev some ice time, which surprised the hell out of me, but then, he really didn't have much of a choice did he? I'm sure that when the season gets going we will see the same bloody lines as last year, and the same revolving door on a 4th line that will never get a chance to gel and develop chemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Let's go with your theory. Why did Gillis just re-sign Ebbett ? He is 5'9" tall. 172 lbs..Every other NHL winger available must be taller and larger than he is? Why was Ebbett able to score five goals and two game winners in 18 games played? If Gillis is prescribing to your theory Ebbett is never signed but will indeed play another season for the Nucks. Let's take 5' 11" Keith Ballard. Nobody hits harder,more strategically and with greater emphasis than this 'shrimp'. Not only can he take you out with a variety of clean,old-fashioned hockey moves but he can clean your clock,even if you are 6'3".He has repeatedly demonstrated his capabilities at performing both tasks extremely well. The height factor having supremacy in the talent and heart department is ridiculous. Size matters to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 In 1997, The Hockey News commemorated their 50th anniversary with a list of the 50 top NHL players of all-time The top ten players, in order, were: Seven of the top ten all time best players in NHL history were 6' and under. Quantity will never replace quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Let's go with your theory. Why did Gillis just re-sign Ebbett ? He is 5'9" tall. 172 lbs..Every other NHL winger available must be taller and larger than he is? Why was Ebbett able to score five goals and two game winners in 18 games played? If Gillis is prescribing to your theory Ebbett is never signed but will indeed play another season for the Nucks. Let's take 5' 11" Keith Ballard. Nobody hits harder,more strategically and with greater emphasis than this 'shrimp'. Not only can he take you out with a variety of clean,old-fashioned hockey moves but he can clean your clock,even if you are 6'3".He has repeatedly demonstrated his capabilities at performing both tasks extremely well. The height factor having supremacy in the talent and heart department is ridiculous. Size matters to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bur14Kes17 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 OP must have thought about this one all night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrcoq Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Maybe that is why Luo hasn't been dealt yet, till Versteeg's arbitration is done. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrcoq Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Big guys are over rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorrcoq Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 In 1997, The Hockey News commemorated their 50th anniversary with a list of the 50 top NHL players of all-time The top ten players, in order, were: Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Mario Lemieux, Maurice Richard, Doug Harvey, Jean Beliveau, Bobby Hull, Terry Sawchuk and Eddie Shore.[3] Gretzky 6 ' Orr 5 ' 11 Howe 6' 1 " Le Mieux 6' 4" M. Richard 5' 10" Harvey 5' 11" Beliveau 6' 3" Hull 5' 10" Sawchuk 5' 11" Shore 5' 11" Six of the top 10 all time best players in NHL history were 5' 11" and under. Seven of the top ten all time best players in NHL history were 6' and under. Quantity will never replace quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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