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#61 Drybone

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:26 AM

And.... we have a winner!!!!
Thank you for stating the obvious.
Can you see Raymond playing for Philadelphia,Boston or Pittsburgh on their second line?


Hi.

If he got his act together? Played up to his potential? Of course.

Its my guess so does Gillis or he would have traded his rights or let him walk instead of going through all that hassle to re sign him.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:48 AM

Human Growth Hormone and Gary Roberts.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:49 AM

Hi.

If he got his act together? Played up to his potential? Of course.

Its my guess so does Gillis or he would have traded his rights or let him walk instead of going through all that hassle to re sign him.


Or... he has absolutely ZERO trade value currently so by avoiding arbitration, he MAY increase his value so that he can still be traded at the deadline or during season if he plays up to his potential (which is still BELOW organization's standards)...
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 09:53 AM

I believe Raymond and Booth will start the season strong if we find a good 2C while Kes is out.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:11 AM

I think he could be a part off a weber trade

To Van; weber
To Nash: Raymond Ballard 1st (2013)
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:12 AM

But Raymond broke his back for us! But..but he's responsible defensively!
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:16 AM

Come on Baggins, you know that Hamhuis doesn't fall down nearly as often as Raymond does. When a player falls down so often you can create a drinking game, that's a sign the guy needs to work on his core conditioning, or get a different type of skate or type of blades, or needs to go a skill camp and work on his stance and stability.

Yes it's sick seeing these threads repeat I agree with you there.


Read the post I responded to. He said specifically that Raymond sucked defensively because he missed the hit on Kopitar. I'm simply stating one play doesn't define a players ability. Otherwise you'd have to say Hanhuis sucks as well as his play knocked us out of the playoffs.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:30 AM

been there, done that.
AV already tried this. Not so successfuly.
The best place for Raymond is off this team.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:47 AM

Have you ever watched a game? Do you actually think centres "stay in the middle"????
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:47 AM

The OP has a good suggestion to place Raymond at center if he can win faceoffs or play center after the faceoff is dropped. He is good defensively and that is the only reason we have kept him this long. The reality is he needs to step up his game at the NHL level or play in Europe where he can be a superstar. We have waited long enough for him to develop. We also should reap the rewards for our commitment to his development. I hope Mason understands that.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:49 AM

I think he could be a part off a weber trade

To Van; weber
To Nash: Raymond Ballard 1st (2013)


Do you think the management in Nashville are complete morons?
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 10:56 AM

Raymond gets points by being a pure winger. His 2010 season was entirely 2 plays: Kesler getting deep and feeding the puck cross ice to Raymond and getting a nearly empty net, or Raymond shooting from sharp angles with surprisingly good effect. That's it. Raymond's play dropped off because Kesler's play dropped off and he didn't quarterback the 2nd line playmaking. He also had a less effective shot which left less rebounds for Mayray to swoop in and jam into the empty net. A winger without a dynamic centre is going to be stuck just going up and down the ice. Booth suffered the exact same fate last season and no one seems to have clued in to the common denominator.

If Kesler regains his form, MayRay and Boothy will be racking up goals.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:00 AM

I think he could be a part off a weber trade

To Van; weber
To Nash: Raymond Ballard 1st (2013)


That's a great proposal. We may need to add Lu as the throw in because Nashville might want Lu to mentor Rinne as well.

Edited by CanucksJay, 13 July 2012 - 11:02 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 11:03 AM

I think he could be a part off a weber trade

To Van; weber
To Nash: Raymond Ballard 1st (2013)


That's a great proposal. We may need to add Lu as the throw in because Nashville might want Lu to mentor Rinne as well.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:04 PM

That's a great proposal. We may need to add Lu as the throw in because Nashville might want Lu  to mentor Rinne as well.


I hope you're being sarcastic. Rinne is already a better goalie than Luongo.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:19 PM

I may hate on Raymond a lot but here's some food for thought...

So Raymond is;
- a guy who had one good year
- should be traded for anything we can get
- is "useless"
- Gillis doesn't know what he's doing by resigning him
- etc etc etc

Remember the last time this happened?




























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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:20 PM

someone needs to invent "CHEESEBURGER PIE" :emot-parrot:
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:21 PM

The only solution for Raymond is the obvious one here guys and that is to drag him through the streets of Vancouver naked and hand out buggy whips to all the kids and have them whip him as he drug by. Then string him up outside of Gate 3 of Roger's Arena as a lesson to anyone wanting to be a Canuck that underpreforming on this hockey team is completely unacceptable.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 12:51 PM

"Oddly, Raymond had the best Corsi rating on the team last year and again has strong Corsi stats this year. So, when Raymond is on the ice, he may be be falling down alot and losing the puck in the offensive zone, but his corsi numbers show he's also got the puck alot and his defence is suppressing shots against his goaltender. Simply put, his team has a greater chance to score than to be scored against when he's on the ice to the highest degree on the team. A team that is filled with some pretty good players. I assume that's what value he brings and that keeps him in the top 6 or 9."

Larry Goodenough Canuckscorner.com

Found this, thought it was pertinent. Him falling down negates his positives of course.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:05 PM

"Oddly, Raymond had the best Corsi rating on the team last year and again has strong Corsi stats this year. So, when Raymond is on the ice, he may be be falling down alot and losing the puck in the offensive zone, but his corsi numbers show he's also got the puck alot and his defence is suppressing shots against his goaltender. Simply put, his team has a greater chance to score than to be scored against when he's on the ice to the highest degree on the team. A team that is filled with some pretty good players. I assume that's what value he brings and that keeps him in the top 6 or 9."

Larry Goodenough Canuckscorner.com

Found this, thought it was pertinent. Him falling down negates his positives of course.


What is a corsi rating and how is it calculated?

NVM found it

http://blogs.edmonto...rating-players/

stupid stat lol

P.S.

Whewre did you find that Raymond had the best CORSI stat last year?
I can't find it and the stats I've seen has many others ahead of him?

Edited by CanucksJay, 13 July 2012 - 02:32 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:20 PM

I hope you're being sarcastic. Rinne is already a better goalie than Luongo.


LOL

You don't think a salary conscious team like Nashville wont want to spend over 12 mil on 2 goalies?
It could be a 1a 1 b tandem. Most potent combo in the league.

All they would be losing is their franchise player and top 3 defender in the league in Shea Weber but hey, they get Keith Ballard to replace him AND have the speedy 2 way forward Mason Raymond as well.




hahaha
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 02:43 PM

Or Trade Raymond for a 7th rounder....

i'd rather take my chances on a 7th rounder then Raymond ANYDAY.


That's cuz you're dupit.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 06:36 PM

LOL he was our fastest skater couple years ago, and your telling him to use a walker thingyy ahahahha. Your all goofs, I bet he's a better skater than all you haters on here, get a life.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:25 PM

I think it's funny how everyone thinks we are getting Doan.. At least wait until he signs a contract before putting him into the line up! lol
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:28 PM

Well if anyone remembers... When Malhotra first injured himself Raymond did indeed center the third line, and did not bad for a winger. His speed used to generate takeaways was much more effective than his offensive game at the time.
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Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:42 PM

Wow, I really really hate it how everyone is so rough on Raymond. I think they forgot about how great he looked before last year when he was coming back from a career threatening injury... some canucks fans discust me...

Next season he WILL come back and hopefully be able to shut everyone on here the heck up!
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Always will love and support Cody Hodgson, great player, great potential great character, and I don't care about those stupid rumours about the trade. And we lost him, what a dissapointment. Love you COHO, forever a canuck in my heart!

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Posted 14 July 2012 - 02:06 PM

What is a corsi rating and how is it calculated?

NVM found it

http://blogs.edmonto...rating-players/

stupid stat lol

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Whewre did you find that Raymond had the best CORSI stat last year?
I can't find it and the stats I've seen has many others ahead of him?

Lack of reading comprehension seems to be common among Raymond haters. Reread it and think a little.
"Oddly, Raymond had the best Corsi rating on the team last year and again has strong Corsi stats this year."
You probably won't get it, so I will explain it to you. The "last year" part refers to 2010/11; the again this year part refers to 2011/12. He had the highest Corsi rating in 2010/11 and was still very high in the corsi ratings in 2011/12 even though he was returning from a serious injury.
Labeling something stupid because you don't understand. LA Kings had a way higher Corsi rating than Vancouver last season. By last season, I mean 2011/12. A meaningless stat though.
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 03:04 PM

Would work out great, I think it really would benefit him.







If he was the third line centre of the Chicago Wolves.
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 07:08 PM

How about trading him for a bag of pucks and some hockey tape?
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Posted 14 July 2012 - 09:59 PM

LOL he was our fastest skater couple years ago, and your telling him to use a walker thingyy ahahahha. Your all goofs, I bet he's a better skater than all you haters on here, get a life.


You think so? There's a reason he's in the NHL and we aren't.

And lol @ a couple years ago. I wouldn't say Raymond is the fastest skater on our team anymore. It's probably Ballard or Hansen.
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