UFCanuck Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 With Schneider signed, Luongo's days are numbered. But we have the luxury of keeping Luongo on the payroll for as long as needed. If he happens to steal back the starting position, then his trade value just keeps going higher and higher. Win-Win-Win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 The problem people have with Luongo is his inconsistent play and his lack of mental strength. Schneider shows composure while Luongo didn't. I don't think Schneider will be run out of town due to his control over his emotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TowelPower12 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 how idiotic !! who says 1.00 goal a game...make some sense why don't you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canacks1970 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 I honestly still believe that if Luongo isn't traded this off-season, he will win back his starting job. Cory Schneider is a nobody in the NHL - he has played 56 games and has never felt the weightload of a full-time starter job in the NHL. The AHL and NHL are not comparable whatsoever so don't even bother going there, this is a whole new ball game and no one has any idea how the kid will fare. The jump from backup to full-time starter is a big one, and we'll see how he handles not only the pressure but the mental and physical fatigue - something he has never had to face at this level before. Playing a few spot starts here and there, Schneider never had to worry about fatigue until the one time last season when he played 7 games in a row (after Luongo was injured) and his level of play noticeably dropped (I think he let in 3 goals on 7 shots or something against an anemic Nashville offence). It's almost impossible for Schneider to play 60-70 games at such a high level anyway - the kid will falter and when he does eventually show signs of fatigue later in the season around February, that's when I can see Luongo stepping in, grabbing onto the reins and carrying the Canucks into the playoffs. He will be much more rested as well with a shortened season, and will not be as fatigued during the playoffs as some of the other netminders. Just remember, only 3 goalies in the past 11 or 12 years have won a Cup after playing more than 60 games - Brodeur, Fleury and now Quick, but even Quick showed signs of fatigue in that Devils series by letting in some terrible goals. If it wasn't for the dominant defence and offence in front of him he may not have won the Cup after all. We must stick to this mentality and not rely on 1 starter, but make sure than whichever goalie we go into the playoffs with has played well under 60 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterBean Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 It's really more the playoffs than the regular season that I'm concerned about. Everyone thinks Schneider is going to be our savior and will play better than Luongo but the truth is, he has next to no playoff experience which is what counts the most for goaltenders. I compare Schneider to other young goalies who became starters in their own cities like Rinne and Quick - both jumped into a starting job at a very young age with around 50 games of experience and played great during the regular season - BUT - they bombed out hard during the playoffs. Both these guys had terrible times in the first 3 or 4 seasons during the playoffs. It took Quick this long to get all his playoff experiences together, build from his losses and put together a solid season and playoffs. Sadly, unlike the Kings, the Canucks don't have this luxury of waiting for Schneider to develop playoff experience from losses. We cannot afford another 3 or 4 seasons of playoff failure because by the time Schneider truly is in his prime playoff state, the rest of the core will be old and diminished. Instead, why not stick with Luongo who has been through it all, has been putting together the last 4 seasons of losses and has more experience and big-game performances than almost every goalie in the NHL. And for those of you who think Schneider truly is a god-send and that he, for whatever reason, won't need 3 or 4 years of playoff failures before he can put it all together in the post-season, there have only been 2 goalies who have won Cups without much playoff experience - Patrick Roy and Martin Brodeur. All do respect to Schneider, but I highly doubt that he will be mentioned in the same sentences as the 2 greatest netminders of All-Time. Sure, it's a possibility, but I don't like the Canucks having to rest their playoff and Cup hopes and dreams on the possibility that Schneider ends up being a top-3 NHL goaltender All-Time. As for Schneider's work load, if he's not playing 60 games that means we'll need a backup capable of playing 20 games and playing them very well. Eddie Lack is not an option so don't even mention him - this guy has had no NHL experience and honestly didn't steal the show in the AHL (I believe he had a .500 record), so would be a wild card. 20 games is a large responsibility and there's a big difference between a .500 goalie and a .750 goalie during these important games: 10 points to be exact which could mean we miss the playoffs because of our backup. Personally, I'd rather see Schneider and Luongo split the games 50-30 or 40-40 and have them both play at high levels with either of them during the playoffs than have Schneider play 50-60 games at a slightly lower level and a 3rd tier goalie like Huet or Theodore play 20-30 games at a very low standard, then just hope to god that Schneider can perform in the playoffs as well. Finally, don't let those last few games change your mind about who the starter in Vancouver SHOULD be. The entire team played terribly for both goaltenders, so if anything those 5 games against LA were a reflection of our team, not our goalies who both played well. Luongo did not play badly to lose his starting position, and Schneider definately didn't out-shine Luongo. Lu was never given an opportunity to play in a must-win game where he thrives and has shown time and time again that he can excel his level of play when he has to, whereas Schneider was thrown into elimination games and ended up failing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 you posted that Luongo needs to improve a half goal a game, implying that you think Schneider is going to have a sub 2.00GAA every year cause that's what he had last year. how about get a brain before you tell people to make sense, Schneider is not gonig to put up numbers like that all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABurrows14 Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 He said IF you dipsh*t. I am so sick of complete a**holes like you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABurrows14 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Yeah and picking up a Loungo with no playoff experience in a hockey mad city 6 years ago was a guarantee right? So don't give us that crap either. It works both ways. You really think after seeing Luongo played to a point of burn out you really thing Gillis will use Schnieder for 60 games? Yup for a nobody that's why most teams are interested in him in trade talks right because he's a nobody in the NHL? Sure that makes sense! With your thinking then I guess Patrick Roy and Brodeur were nothing going into the playoffs in their first year. Funny those two nobody's went far with their team and had long successful careers. But how do we know what this Kid can do without giving him a chance to shine DownUnda. But for some reason you can't get your head wrap over that. Giving Loungo more rest ?Well why do you think they brought in Cory in the first place? Because before Schneider we had no reliable back up that the coaching staff could trust. The first couple years we had a burnt out Loungo going into the playoffs. Then we had Cory and we were supposed to see a refreshed Roberto going into the post season. So what excuse do you have now.No guarentee. Rested or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucksbiggestfan Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 How can the "if" occur if there is a 100% probability that he will be traded? Will he be subsequently traded back? "Dipsh*t" I am so sick of morons like the OP and yourself who can't accept reality that the focus of their bromance is being traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofans Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Two great Goalies. Keep em' Both. Said it from Day one. I'm just a Fan, I don't have a Dog in the hunt . just a desire to keep Lu, and Schneider . We have a Great Team here . Go Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 You really dont have a clue. Do you not realize that Quick only had 12 games of playoff experience before this year's run to the cup? You spoke of building experience through losses, well Luongo has a sh*tload of playoff losses and many bad ones at that. Why hasn't he been able to put it together and win a Stanley Cup? As for him "thriving" in must-win games, wouldn't you say that game 7 of the SCF was a must-win? He gave up 3 goals on 20 shots, and has been blown out on some other notable games as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allkill326 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 I honestly still believe that if Luongo isn't traded this off-season, he will win back his starting job. Cory Schneider is a nobody in the NHL - he has played 56 games and has never felt the weightload of a full-time starter job in the NHL. The AHL and NHL are not comparable whatsoever so don't even bother going there, this is a whole new ball game and no one has any idea how the kid will fare. The jump from backup to full-time starter is a big one, and we'll see how he handles not only the pressure but the mental and physical fatigue - something he has never had to face at this level before. Playing a few spot starts here and there, Schneider never had to worry about fatigue until the one time last season when he played 7 games in a row (after Luongo was injured) and his level of play noticeably dropped (I think he let in 3 goals on 7 shots or something against an anemic Nashville offence). It's almost impossible for Schneider to play 60-70 games at such a high level anyway - the kid will falter and when he does eventually show signs of fatigue later in the season around February, that's when I can see Luongo stepping in, grabbing onto the reins and carrying the Canucks into the playoffs. He will be much more rested as well with a shortened season, and will not be as fatigued during the playoffs as some of the other netminders. Just remember, only 3 goalies in the past 11 or 12 years have won a Cup after playing more than 60 games - Brodeur, Fleury and now Quick, but even Quick showed signs of fatigue in that Devils series by letting in some terrible goals. If it wasn't for the dominant defence and offence in front of him he may not have won the Cup after all. We must stick to this mentality and not rely on 1 starter, but make sure than whichever goalie we go into the playoffs with has played well under 60 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drybone Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Andrew Raycroft says hi, Calder trophy winner and then garbage after, those of you thinking Cory is going to win a cup his first year and post all-star numbers are setting the kid up for failure. Ridiculous expectations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 What? Nine million plus in goalie salaries? Not gunna happen for the full season. GMMG will be patient and keep the goalie for our future and not our past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 You can do it Luongo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Dude, don't even pay attention to this troll. He sent me a private message, saying I'm retarded, just because I said I wished to draft Henrik Samuelsson in 1st round of the 2012 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilsFan05 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Tim Thomas did it when Rask took the starting job from him, why not a similar scenario here? I have no problem with Lu coming back and competing to win the job back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 So the suggestion, then, is that we carry almost 10m of goaltending salary through the season? No thank you. One of these goalies will be moved, and 95% sure it is gonna be Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnycanuck46 Posted July 15, 2012 Author Share Posted July 15, 2012 Well your hero wants out of town so you need another thought process here. Dreaming and hoping everyday is not going to get Lou back on the starting rotation this year. Get over it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Lol at the e-rage. So many dolts have been calling Lu being traded ages ago, that now they are bitter Lu is still here. I can just see the frustration on their face everyday Lu is not traded. The haters could never even fathom the fact he may not be traded. Too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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