I am reporting personal attacks to the mods from now on. I am not going to give into hate nor derail myself from the topic at hand to bother . You guys can deal with them.
Lets have an adult conversation. Free of hyper bias. Willingness to see fact over pre determined ideolgoy. Willingness to see both sides of the issue before making any determination at all.
Can we do this without the ranting and name calling? Arent we all adults here? It makes for a way better conversation. There are board rules regarding personal attacks for a reason. Trolling and derailing threads. Stop the personal smears.
I say lets remain the positive and have a great debate.
Here is an article written by a Jew who is not a Zionist. He claims quite clearly Zionism is dangerous, ignorant and self defeating. He believes Jews are not a race unto themselves.
i was always under the impression Zionists were nationalists, but not if taken to an extreme. Almost like a manifest destiny of some kind that is not fair to the Palestinians. On the surface of it, its offensive as bible thumpers crusading through your town to convert one and all.
This simply leads me to assert that its so profane it might be biased to an extreme simply to create angst against them in the first place. In other words its far easier to hate the Catholic Church if priests are molesting as opposed to hating them because the Church helps the poor and needy.
So it could simply be 'negative attacks' used by pro Palestinians to pick out the bad apples of the Jews, label them hard core Zionists who want to wipe the Palestinians out and try to paint everyone in Israel with that broad brush. The temptation is certainly there.
I found this article about the plight of the Palestinians :
This article sheds lights on the plight of both the Jews and Palestinians that has raged on since the artificial creation of Israel in 1947. Its a never ending situation in my opinion.
Here is a pro Israel anti Palestinian point of view:
And predictably, what we see here is the cry that if they created the Palestinian state , they would try to take over all of Israel and destroy them .This is virtually the same finger pointing the Palestinians claim.
A commonly blasted talking point from many in the region and is a center piece of foreign policy by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
So what we have is now each side using ultra polarized viewpoints as in to suggest in the end nobody is right or wrong.
But that does not solve the issue. The issue is that Israel is there and its almost 70 years later. They have the right to be there now. So they are going to have to put down these issues and learn to get along. Otherwise we can expect more finger pointing, name calling and biased rhetoric that people are more than willing to accept on both sides.
Edited by Drybone, 15 July 2012 - 07:13 AM.