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#421 WHL rocks

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:41 PM

We've never even been close to doing that.

I do know however, that a new CBA is being negotiated and it's highly unlikely that these Cap circumventing deals will remain viable.

I remain "sure" that we don't want to be on the hook for 5 million dollars of Cap for a player that doesn't even play for us....

Actually we have been like that before. In the 80's Canucks barely got enough ppl to the Pacific Coleseum. They almost moved as they were struggling to pay the salaries.

Obviously times have changed and I don't see the Canucks struggling to make the cap floor unless there is a massive slowdown in our economy.
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#422 Where's Wellwood

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:44 PM

don't be so sure ... In 4 years we might be struggling to rich the floor.


If we're struggling to make the floor then so is the rest of the league since the other teams have roughly the same payroll or lower as us.

many players play into thier 40's now and Doan can and will.I do not get how people saying over 35 is bad to pay a guy what he is worth!I am 39 and that is me in my picture so age doesnt matter till you hit about 40.If we can pay him till then I would sure do it in a heart beat and all you nah sayers that say hes to old after we win a cup with him and Luo gone I will laugh so hard and loud.The olympic games dont have 30 plus players unless its like hockey and basketball as most sports in the games are only for the olympics otherwise you'd have way more!


Doan can play into his 40's but will he be worth 7.5 million in his 40's? No chance. Plus, he's not even worth 7.5 million now at 35.

Why does anyone worry about being on the hook for a contract??Doan will only sign where he feels like he will retire and doing so he wont hurt a team as it will be his last.He doesnt want to leave but I see him leaving the Coyoties as who knows where they will be.Signing with a new team he will get the years he wants and then retire not before!!Doan is not like that!!


You can never guarrantee that a player nearing his 40's will or can play out the rest of a multi-year contract. Circumstances change, things happen.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:46 PM

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If we were willing to shell out for a player with a multi-year, 7 mil cap hit, I would rather have traded Lu for Vincent Lecavalier.

32 year-old Lecavalier > 36 year-old Doan

...and I imagine it will be even more pronounced when Doan is 37, 38, and 39 (while Vinny 33, 34, and 35). Right after that is when Vinny's contract starts declining.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:53 PM

7.5 mill per season for 4 years is too much for Doan. That's ridiculous.

I wanted Doan as much as the next guy, probably even more so, but not at that price. That would be a bad deal if Gillis went through with it.

I agree with D-Money, 32 Lecavalier > 36 Doan.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:56 PM

Today is the deadline for the Phoenix ownership situation right?? So by the weekend we WILL have an decision or what?!??!
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:04 PM

There were these exact same $$ rumors surrounding Garrison before he signed with Van.

There are only a few forwards in the league worth more than the Sedins, and Doan ain't one of em. There is too much uncertainty with the new CBA and cap, it's to risky to give him term and $$. I just hope the rumors aren't true.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:10 PM

Today is the deadline for the Phoenix ownership situation right?? So by the weekend we WILL have an decision or what?!??!


My understanding is he gave the deadline to Phoenix for today and now he will start considering other offers, not timeline was set for making a decision.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:27 PM

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Just in case you are waiting for news, Phoenix Business Journal reporting Doan/Jamison mtg. may not happen until late Friday evening. 1/2


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:29 PM

Considering the $'s being rumoured, I'd go with Arnott!
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:33 PM

If we were willing to shell out for a player with a multi-year, 7 mil cap hit, I would rather have traded Lu for Vincent Lecavalier.

32 year-old Lecavalier > 36 year-old Doan

...and I imagine it will be even more pronounced when Doan is 37, 38, and 39 (while Vinny 33, 34, and 35). Right after that is when Vinny's contract starts declining.


Part of me actually wishes that trade happened. Great leader, sized and skilled, and we can move Kes to the wing.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

Part of me actually wishes that trade happened. Great leader, sized and skilled, and we can move Kes to the wing.

Ya I like Lecavlier, hes a great player. Wasnt that long ago he put up 92 points...and he is only 32
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:57 PM

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No word yet from Greg Jamison, which is not good for Phoenix Coyotes fans. Shane Doan's agent says they never demanded 4yrs, $30-million.


Sarah McLellan@azc_mclellan

As of 7 p.m. PST, Doan has still not heard from Greg Jamison, according to his agent Terry Bross.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:59 PM

I knew it. it was bs
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:03 PM

Doubt they offer 7mil per for that term it's ridiculous, I know he brings more to the table then numbers but he's a 50-60 point second liner not a superstar.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:58 PM

18 for 3 years MAX.
14-16 for 3 is more reasonable.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:39 PM

If we were willing to shell out for a player with a multi-year, 7 mil cap hit, I would rather have traded Lu for Vincent Lecavalier.

32 year-old Lecavalier > 36 year-old Doan

...and I imagine it will be even more pronounced when Doan is 37, 38, and 39 (while Vinny 33, 34, and 35). Right after that is when Vinny's contract starts declining.

Might be on to something there. Haven't visited that option for awhile but is solves the second line a bit.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:44 PM

If we were willing to shell out for a player with a multi-year, 7 mil cap hit, I would rather have traded Lu for Vincent Lecavalier.

32 year-old Lecavalier > 36 year-old Doan

...and I imagine it will be even more pronounced when Doan is 37, 38, and 39 (while Vinny 33, 34, and 35). Right after that is when Vinny's contract starts declining.


You know...id almost forgotten about Vinny....yeah ld go for that for sure.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:52 PM

You know...id almost forgotten about Vinny....yeah ld go for that for sure.

Lu has more value than Vinny.
Vinny's contract is worst, he hasn't been an all star since 2008, point totals are down, -47 in the last 4 years. Unless TB adds more in a bigger package, no thanks. I'm a Vinny fan too.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:55 PM

Lu has more value than Vinny.
Vinny's contract is worst, he hasn't been an all star since 2008, point totals are down, -47 in the last 4 years. Unless TB adds more in a bigger package, no thanks. I'm a Vinny fan too.


well its all about a change of scenery. Plus Coach V knows how to motivate haha. Based on yearly cap hit...its something to think about.
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:18 PM

Why not rock both? ;-) (PS This is a JOKE. Don't take me seriously)

Lu + Ballard to Tampa for Vinny + Brian Lee (Almost even cap hits)
Raymond to Jupiter for future considerations (whatever)
Sign Doan

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:24 PM

He must really be impatient by now!
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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:35 PM

Why not rock both? ;-) (PS This is a JOKE. Don't take me seriously)

Lu + Ballard to Tampa for Vinny + Brian Lee (Almost even cap hits)
Raymond to Jupiter for future considerations (whatever)
Sign Doan



... and a nice letter to the state of Florida thanking them for the loaners. Unfortunately we were unable to return them to their original location. lol
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:16 AM

Lu has more value than Vinny.
Vinny's contract is worst, he hasn't been an all star since 2008, point totals are down, -47 in the last 4 years. Unless TB adds more in a bigger package, no thanks. I'm a Vinny fan too.


I agree sampy. Luongo has more value than Lecavalier.
I wouldn't sign Lecavalier to his contract if he were a UFA, let alone give up a marquis asset like Luongo - on top of his 7.7 million cap hit (his salary is actually 10 million for the next four years, 8.5 the year after and then tails off - like his production already has).
He and Doan have similar offensive numbers the last few years, but Doan is a much, much more 'physical' player - and I highly doubt the Canucks would consider offering more than the Sedins 6.1 - so if he does sign with Vancouver, he's be a better value than Lecavalier in both senses.
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:46 AM

I agree sampy. Luongo has more value than Lecavalier.
I wouldn't sign Lecavalier to his contract if he were a UFA, let alone give up a marquis asset like Luongo - on top of his 7.7 million cap hit (his salary is actually 10 million for the next four years, 8.5 the year after and then tails off - like his production already has).
He and Doan have similar offensive numbers the last few years, but Doan is a much, much more 'physical' player - and I highly doubt the Canucks would consider offering more than the Sedins 6.1 - so if he does sign with Vancouver, he's be a better value than Lecavalier in both senses.

The gamble with Vinnie is whether a move would revitalize his game. As you said his physical game is not there. No way to that deal, something else would have to be thrown in.

If the $30 M for Doan is accurate it is probably a deal breaker, I doubt this is accurate. Doan is a vet he knows how important team chemistry is and would be sensitive to what a high cost contract would mean in the dressing room. Obviously if he moves it is to get that real shot at the CUP which Van a few other teams could offer. He is a 50 point man so the offence is not the deal maker it is the leadership and physical aspect. I can possibly see a 3 year deal with an option but the price has to be in the $5.5 to $6 mil range. They could even structure a deal that would allow Doan to move before his contract was up. ie Van wins the CUP within 2 years and Doan options to move back to PHX if they are still there and they want him back.
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:40 AM

There have been reports from doans agents mouth saying that the supposed 4 year 30 million deal was NOT true, It happened a while ago. Im not sure why you are all still hung up on doan demanding 4 year 30 million since it is far from true, Im not saying he wont sign that contract, but what i am saying is it never happened, and that is NOT the bargaining point and nor will it be.
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:57 AM

might be late to the party but...


If there is alockout, Doan will be 37 by the time the next season rolls around :S
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:58 AM

There have been reports from doans agents mouth saying that the supposed 4 year 30 million deal was NOT true, It happened a while ago. Im not sure why you are all still hung up on doan demanding 4 year 30 million since it is far from true, Im not saying he wont sign that contract, but what i am saying is it never happened, and that is NOT the bargaining point and nor will it be.

I agree that it doesn't sound like something Doan would do. However, that doesn't mean that someone like Holmgren or Slats won't throw a number like that out there. (I wouldn't count out Regier, either)

Again, I don't believe money is the only factor influencing the decision, but with the new CBA pending and Doan nearing the end of his career, a four year deal with a 50% pay raise to go play for a team with a legit shot at a Cup and a much easier travel schedule, would have to look pretty enticing...

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:24 PM

One would think if Doan would like to have a taste of NHL success he would want out of that franchise. In Doans 14 year career he has played 55 total playoff games and been past the 1st round once.
Doan on the Canucks would be a much better likelyhood of success. He could join the Pens who would give him a shot at a cup as well, but Doan would probably be much more of contributer on the Canucks than with the Pens.
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:37 PM

The Pittsburgh Penguins are preparing to offer Shane Doan a 4 year, 24 million dollar contract. He would make $6,000,000 per season.
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:48 PM

If Doan decides Phoenix is a dead issue, I believe Vancouver would be his next choice, but as has been stated already, I too feel that there are a couple of other teams out there that would overpay to gain his services. As the two that I'm thinking of are also cup contenders, I feel that if he wants to play in Vancouver, It's going to be more of a family choice and not so much of a financial one.

If MG balances his offer with the Sedins salary, Doan at max should be offered about 5.5 mil a season with the term being a determining factor in this number dropping, in anticipation of production dropping in later years of the deal. One thing, I think can be said, is that MG will not overpay for a slightly above average player. Yes he brings physical play, and yes he can provide more leadership but at the end of the day he is entering the twilight of his career and to be locked in at 5-5.5 mil a year till he's 40 or 41 would be risky, especially given his playing style.

Don't get me wrong; I would love to see Doan in Vancouver colors this upcoming season. I think he could be the missing piece to our Stanley Cup puzzle, but only at a fair price. If a Doan deal can't get done, I feal MG will move forward with the Lou deal with a premier second line winger or another big defenceman in mind or maybe both and I, personally would be good with that.
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