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#751 RonnieColeman

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:39 PM

As for the kesler and doan a person int the top 90 in assist doesn't make him a play maker but not even decent passer at best as seen through kesler's assist and doan they aren't usually cross cress passes but rebounds and passes off the wall to the d-man as for top 90 not all people on the top line player are for assist's but some their for goals so its normal for second liners to have assists like that and since we have good dept we need better play-makers for our second line than the league average. Decent passer not one that will make players around them better

PS I still don't agree with this


To be honest, that's one confusing and huge run on sentence. I have no idea what you're trying to say....
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:40 PM

I don't know either Weber or Doan. But they both seem like small town rednecky type boys. Webers agent said he liked NYR, but not the idea of living in Manhattan. I think it's between Phx obviously, then Canucks and Pens. Pens have the advantage if he wants less travel and out of the W. conference. I remember Parise said he wanted out of the east so he didn't have to have see Devils often. Nucks have advantage if he wants familiarity of location, closer to home/family/friends, experience with management. It might just come down to $$ between the 2.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:49 PM

To be honest, that's one confusing and huge run on sentence. I have no idea what you're trying to say....

sorry about that bit in a rush gotta go some where
  • most assist not really good passing plays
  • Top 90 in assist means nothing
    • because we are a better team
    • Some players on the top line are there just to score
  • Zetterberge is elite player good in all aspects of hockey
  • Kesler more like Brown not good playmakers.
  • team needs great play-maker's to increase scoring not good play-maker's

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#754 RonnieColeman

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:52 PM

sorry about that bit in a rush gotta go some where

  • most assist not really good passing plays
  • Top 90 in assist means nothing
    • because we are a better team
    • Some players on the top line are there just to score
  • Zetterberge is elite player good in all aspects of hockey
  • Kesler more like Brown not good playmakers.
  • team needs great play-maker's to increase scoring not good play-maker's



Lol it's all good, I'm done with this anyway, there's no winning on CDC, all I wanted to do was throw out a scenario and not get bashed for it and get called dumb....that's all
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:54 PM

Lol it's all good, I'm done with this anyway, there's no winning on CDC, all I wanted to do was throw out a scenario and not get bashed for it and get called dumb....that's all

I am sorry about that I didn't wan't to come across like that.
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#756 RonnieColeman

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:56 PM

I am sorry about that I didn't wan't to come across like that.


All good, wasn't you exactly that I was referring to but I apologize as well
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:59 PM

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:20 PM

5 people ignored your post, Trip, so I will comment on it.

I like this, even though it is Eklund. Doan didn't prioritize Vancouver to meet with, but now has met with them more than the other teams is one way to show he is impressed.

So I like that more sources (credible or not) are now saying that Doan in Vancouver is very likely.

What makes you think he has met with them more then any other team ?
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:26 PM

This isnt even close to being a reliable source but for discussion sake:


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**SHANE DOAN UPDATE** Told Doan has left BC with his mind "almost made up". Very impressed with #Canucks. Ultimatum given to Jamison. #DOAN


Stop posting these made up insider twatter accounts ,Who the hell is going to have Doans personal thoughts on what his impressions are ? I still have not even seen any proof he was in BC in the first place
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:30 PM

Stop posting these made up insider twatter accounts ,Who the hell is going to have Doans personal thoughts on what his impressions are ? I still have not even seen any proof he was in BC in the first place

If News1130 Sports tweeted it, then you know they didn't make it up.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:32 PM

it smells like sex in here


Did your Momma not teach you to wash yer hands after? .. sheesh .. B)
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:42 PM

I think Kesler and Doan make a nice tandem, but rather than Booth, I might try Burrows as the third on that line. The problem with Kes and Booth is that they both like to be the puck carrier when they come into the offensive zone. With Burrows, he's a great forechecker and with teamed with Kes and Doan, they make a formidable dump and chase line. Burrows might drop a bit in numbers, but I still see him getting 20-25 goals on that line, but he would be more able to refind the gritty, abrasive part of his game that he's put on the shelf for the last couple years.

On a line with the twins, I think the skills that Booth brings to the table mesh well with the game the twins play........Hank loves to use his wingers breaking into the zone and Booth has high end speed and shows he has no trouble crashing the net for a goal.........I can picture, in my head, a Sedin-Sedin-Booth three on two with Booth driving the hard to the net and Hank feathering a soft pass about 4 feet from the net........with Danny coming in as the lat man. With the twins, I think Booth is a 25-30 goal guy, easy.

Sedin Sedin Booth
Burrows Kes Doan
Higgins Lappy Hansen
Volpatti Manny Kassian

I like the idea. Nice physical mix on the bottom 3 lines. Burrows and Kesler have always played well together. Bring Schroeder up and try him at that 3rd line center for a few games. This lineup is without a Lou tradde as well.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:46 PM

If News1130 Sports tweeted it, then you know they didn't make it up.



Global News, Sam Jam.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:49 PM

Hockey Buzz Eklund@Eklund
A quick actual rumor update from Acadia National Park bc/I am getting inundated w/sources talking on how impressed Doan is withVancouver.


...crap, this means we don't stand a chance to get Doan now that Eklund has jinxed it.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:53 PM

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:57 PM

^^^ Derailing at its finest.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:59 PM

...crap, this means we don't stand a chance to get Doan now that Eklund has jinxed it.


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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:05 PM

I like the idea. Nice physical mix on the bottom 3 lines. Burrows and Kesler have always played well together. Bring Schroeder up and try him at that 3rd line center for a few games. This lineup is without a Lou tradde as well.


and no Raymond either
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:30 PM

I think Kesler and Doan make a nice tandem, but rather than Booth, I might try Burrows as the third on that line. The problem with Kes and Booth is that they both like to be the puck carrier when they come into the offensive zone. With Burrows, he's a great forechecker and with teamed with Kes and Doan, they make a formidable dump and chase line. Burrows might drop a bit in numbers, but I still see him getting 20-25 goals on that line, but he would be more able to refind the gritty, abrasive part of his game that he's put on the shelf for the last couple years.

On a line with the twins, I think the skills that Booth brings to the table mesh well with the game the twins play........Hank loves to use his wingers breaking into the zone and Booth has high end speed and shows he has no trouble crashing the net for a goal.........I can picture, in my head, a Sedin-Sedin-Booth three on two with Booth driving the hard to the net and Hank feathering a soft pass about 4 feet from the net........with Danny coming in as the lat man. With the twins, I think Booth is a 25-30 goal guy, easy.

Sedin Sedin Booth
Burrows Kes Doan
Higgins Lappy Hansen
Volpatti Manny Kassian


Yeah but Booth has some rather significant deficiencies in his game (namely his forechecking and ability to win the majority of his puck battles) so I'm not sure if he's the best fit with the twins if teams start standing up the blueline and forcing a dump'n'chase game. However, it's worth experimenting with over the course of the regular season and AV definitely sees what you see in terms of the transition offence this combination would provide.

Like I said a page earlier, I think Higgins-Kesler-Doan would probably be the best fit for Kesler's game and that way you could still use the twins & Burrows as a line. That leaves Booth-______-Hansen with a bit of an identity crisis but I think both those wingers could use a little of each others' game to become better all around players anyway (Hansen might make the jump to a 20g 50pt guy and Booth could learn a thing or two about checking) and the centre AV puts them with would end up dictating whether they are an Ozone starting line (think: Schroeder, in which case Kesler goes back to a Dzone line) or a Dzone starting line (think: Malhotra/Lapierre, in which case Kesler remains Ozone option #2).
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:42 PM

Yup and yup.

For a 3-5 year sacrifice away from the ranch, I'd take an adventure of a lifetime in NYC anyday--many people would as well. Doan has already expressed his recent NYR showcase as "incredible". I bet his family is excited at this too (prospect of living for a few years in NYC). They can always go back to the Ranch in PHX or live in BC when they all get older. For the next 3-5 years, NYC isn't a bad option. They will be rich and comfortable, and the kids can go to any private school they want. Playing out East also allows the Doans to see other East Coast friends and relatives. There are many great cities out on the other side of the Mississippi River. I think the "fun for the whole family" factor is a big deal for Shane. He only has 3-5 years to earn a real good paycheck. This will be a small sacrifice for a good payoff for the Doan clan. Just my hunch of course. I would love to see him in a Canuck uniform, but it's more than just hockey for a guy like Doan.


Right, because the $41 million and change that he's accumulated in his playing career is chump change. http://www.hockeyzon...om/salaries/909

I don't see Doan as being about the money, not in the slightest. If that was at all in his character he would have bolted from the Coyotes long ago. People don't change all that much, the fact that Doan has been as committed as he has been to Phoenix would suggest he wants not only the best thing for his family, but also for the last few years of his playing career; hoisting Lord Stanley.

The ONLY reason Doan has not re-signed in Phoenix is due to the gong show revolving around the ownership of the Coyotes. It's not just about being able to pay him his money, it has to do with the overall quality of the product being put on the ice. The Coyotes are a minimalist spending team regardless of what anyone says, with yearly losses greater than the current salary cap floor, I just cannot see how Phoenix survives more than 3 seasons regardless of who owns the team.

Doan is moving on, I believe he is pragmatic and ensures he wants the best fit; not the biggest paycheck.

Edit** The numbers of 4 years/30 Million are purely speculative, I don't know why everyone buys into that as being fact.

Edited by Shadowgoon, 01 August 2012 - 06:48 PM.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:03 PM

Yeah but Booth has some rather significant deficiencies in his game (namely his forechecking and ability to win the majority of his puck battles) so I'm not sure if he's the best fit with the twins if teams start standing up the blueline and forcing a dump'n'chase game. However, it's worth experimenting with over the course of the regular season and AV definitely sees what you see in terms of the transition offence this combination would provide.

Like I said a page earlier, I think Higgins-Kesler-Doan would probably be the best fit for Kesler's game and that way you could still use the twins & Burrows as a line. That leaves Booth-______-Hansen with a bit of an identity crisis but I think both those wingers could use a little of each others' game to become better all around players anyway (Hansen might make the jump to a 20g 50pt guy and Booth could learn a thing or two about checking) and the centre AV puts them with would end up dictating whether they are an Ozone starting line (think: Schroeder, in which case Kesler goes back to a Dzone line) or a Dzone starting line (think: Malhotra/Lapierre, in which case Kesler remains Ozone option #2).


I think a first line with the speed of Booth makes the twins much more dangerous off the rush and moves them away from the "let Burrows forecheck and get us the puck" routine........forechecking is also a skill that can be learned easily enough, and Booth certainly has the speed to be a very effective forechecker.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:11 PM

I think a first line with the speed of Booth makes the twins much more dangerous off the rush and moves them away from the "let Burrows forecheck and get us the puck" routine........forechecking is also a skill that can be learned easily enough, and Booth certainly has the speed to be a very effective forechecker.


Fair enough. Your point about forechecking is also duly noted and I've seen Daniel Cleary do exactly that over his years in the league. I just think he'd probably learn that part quicker on a line with Lapierre & Hansen, but that's not exactly a wise choice for a coach to make: plant $4.25m on the third line for half a year.
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:53 PM

Fair enough. Your point about forechecking is also duly noted and I've seen Daniel Cleary do exactly that over his years in the league. I just think he'd probably learn that part quicker on a line with Lapierre & Hansen, but that's not exactly a wise choice for a coach to make: plant $4.25m on the third line for half a year.


I think with a full season after getting acclimated we will see an improvement in booth, not that he needs to give much of an improvement he was doing quite well for portions of the year before bad injury. And even while his production was low you noticed booth being physical he laid some people out pretty hard in the playoffs.

Lastly Id like to point out an observation I had (Ive watched every game for many years) I dont have a stat to back this up but a LOT of the passes that booth received that could have led to scoring chances were just terrible. There were many games in stretches that I never once saw a decent pass given to booth. Perhaps this says something about booths ability to receive a pass, but id be willing to bet booth would improve drastically given a better passer to work with rather than higgins/raymond (3rd or 4thline tallent) and kesler who has massive upside elsewhere but doesnt pass as well as others.

Some people have said that kesler and booth are similar players offensively and in some areas Ill agree, however the main area of similarity is their attack on the net, they both need someone to get them the puck to attack the net.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:12 PM

Fair enough. Your point about forechecking is also duly noted and I've seen Daniel Cleary do exactly that over his years in the league. I just think he'd probably learn that part quicker on a line with Lapierre & Hansen, but that's not exactly a wise choice for a coach to make: plant $4.25m on the third line for half a year.


Ballard was $4.2m in the press box when we had 5 players injured or suspended in the SCF
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:18 PM

your mom taught you masturbation procedures?

good stuff tas. 2 home runs today!
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:52 PM

edit I haven't read through all of the posts but was wondering the 4 yr/ $30 mil is just speculation, right? I am of the opinion that we should do our best to sign Doan. I'm not as worried about his potential 'decline', in fact I think he could have some of his best seasons in years if he came here.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:19 PM

The Coyotes still have my $250 season ticket deposit... Don't leave town!!!!

I can't believe the only guy they could recruit for this team was a guy w/ no real money...

Why not find a Russian billionaire who's looking for a toy to play with??? This is such a joke.

I want the team to stay badly and will be totally bummed if they leave, but even if they do stay, I have this feeling they'll be in the same position in another 2-3 years...
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 11:44 PM

I think with a full season after getting acclimated we will see an improvement in booth, not that he needs to give much of an improvement he was doing quite well for portions of the year before bad injury. And even while his production was low you noticed booth being physical he laid some people out pretty hard in the playoffs.


Yup. Mike Richards was killing us in the first couple games...until Booth absolutely DESTROYED him. After that, he was pretty ineffective.

Unfortunately, so was the majority of our team.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:38 AM

This is all setting up like Schultz. It looks like Gillis made a good pitch, Doan is a great guy, loves the city, ties to province, money isn't important! Then Bam! Signs somewhere else!

What happens if he signs in Buffalo for $30M? Do you all hate Doan now? Will he get booed when he comes to Vancouver?

These processes are hilarious now. It's like a big parade and then cities like Vancouver and Toronto end up hating the player when they choose another location. I miss the days when all of the recruiting and negotiating was done somewhat behind the scenes.

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