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#1381 knuck

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 09:51 AM

If any team, including the Canucks, gave him more than 4 years or more than 5 mil a year, I would have no choice but to wish for a long lockout to fix the insane contracts out there.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:06 AM

This is getting ridiculous. 4 year deal at that cap hit is insane. Love Doan but these GMs brains must be scrambled.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:06 AM

If any team, including the Canucks, gave him more than 4 years or more than 5 mil a year, I would have no choice but to wish for a long lockout to fix the insane contracts out there.


His "true" value is likely ~$5m +/- IMO.

I'd over pay around $1m for him on a 4 year (up to ~$5.9m max)...more likely closer to $5.5 ideally though. On a 2-3 year I'd be willing to go $6m(3yr)-$6.5m(2yr).

Maybe he'll go for something like 6.5, 6, 5, 4.5...$5.5 cap hit with say $5m signing bonus first year to get $$ up front.

He can make up any difference in money doing endorsements. In a city like Vancouver he could EASILY make up $1-$2m doing a few commercials (especially if he helps push us closer to a cup).

Edited by J.R., 08 August 2012 - 10:09 AM.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:18 AM

His "true" value is likely ~$5m +/- IMO.

I'd over pay around $1m for him on a 4 year (up to ~$5.9m max)...more likely closer to $5.5 ideally though. On a 2-3 year I'd be willing to go $6m(3yr)-$6.5m(2yr).

Maybe he'll go for something like 6.5, 6, 5, 4.5...$5.5 cap hit with say $5m signing bonus first year to get $$ up front.

He can make up any difference in money doing endorsements. In a city like Vancouver he could EASILY make up $1-$2m doing a few commercials (especially if he helps push us closer to a cup).


All bonuses count towards the cap. Cap hit is the Average Annual Value of the total contract value. No matter how you slice it, 4 years 30 million is a 7.5m cap hit, doesn't matter. (5m bonus)+6.5+6.5+4.5=22.5/3=7.5m cap hit.

Edit* It would actually end up being 11.5+6.5+4.5, sorry but Shane Doan is nowhere near worth that kind of money.

Edited by Shadowgoon, 08 August 2012 - 10:20 AM.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:22 AM

28M for Doan is ridiculous. What will Perry worth if he becomes a free agent next season?
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:23 AM

All bonuses count towards the cap. Cap hit is the Average Annual Value of the total contract value. No matter how you slice it, 4 years 30 million is a 7.5m cap hit, doesn't matter. (5m bonus)+6.5+6.5+4.5=22.5/3=7.5m cap hit.

Edit* It would actually end up being 11.5+6.5+4.5, sorry but Shane Doan is nowhere near worth that kind of money.


I'm well aware of the bonus/cap hit structure. My proposal was $5m bonus + $1.5m salary the first year. total of $6.5m that year, $22m over the four years and a $5.5m cap hit. EXACTLY AS I WROTE.

The bonus is merely a means to get him a lump sum up front and regardless of any lockout.

Edited by J.R., 08 August 2012 - 10:25 AM.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:32 AM

Had Nashville gotten Parise-Suter,kept a couple other free agents and signed Doan they'd be lookin pretty good right now and Weber be happy.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:33 AM

Put it out over 5 years, last 2 years for minimum, and trade him to a team that needs to make the cap floor after 3 years (they get the cap hit they need but do not have to pay very much for it).

That way the Canucks can get the lower cap hit and cut the term while still offering big bucks to the Doan Family right now.

A signing bonus could be added incentive to Doan to ensure he gets paid even if there is a lockout/strike.

$5m + $6m signing bonus
$5m + $2m signing bonus
$4m
$2m
$1m

$5m cap hit; $11m this year and $7m next; secured bonus of $8m = nice offer.

I know we risk large cap hit for years 4 and 5; hopefully we can trade him then.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:53 AM

His "true" value is likely ~$5m +/- IMO.


Could you kindly share the link to your "true" value calculator?
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 10:54 AM

If Nashville is the team that offered $30+ million, then any minute amount of sympathy I had for these owners in the CBA negotiations is officially gone...
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:12 AM

This will really bring out Doans true colors. He says he wants to go to a contending team, that has great character, management, facilities, and money definitely isn't his main concern. The amount of money Nashville offered is unreal, and I wouldn't exactly blame him for truly considering it, but if he accepts it, everything he has said is bull and he 's just like every other free agent this off season.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:13 AM

Doan’s agent tells ‘Action News on 6abc’ that the Flyers are still in the mix for Doan.

https://twitter.com/...034721972588544
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:23 AM

This will really bring out Doans true colors. He says he wants to go to a contending team, that has great character, management, facilities, and money definitely isn't his main concern. The amount of money Nashville offered is unreal, and I wouldn't exactly blame him for truly considering it, but if he accepts it, everything he has said is bull and he 's just like every other free agent this off season.

your exactly right but this doesn't mean that he has to sign with vancity. he could also do this by signing with nyr.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:26 AM

Damn Nashville you SCARY!

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:26 AM

your exactly right but this doesn't mean that he has to sign with vancity. he could also do this by signing with nyr.


Absolutely.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:51 AM

August 8, 2012, 1:00 pm

Shane Doan is still floating in free-agent limbo, but the New York Rangers have emerged as the favourite to land the star forward.

Doan has spent all 16 years of his NHL career with the Winnipeg Jetsturned Phoenix Coyotes franchise, but could potentially find a new home before the 2012-13 season.

On Tuesday, Doan’s agent Terry Bross confirmed that the 34-year-old has only met with three teams: The Vancouver Canucks, thePhiladelphia Flyers and the Rangers.

Doan has a relationship with multiple members of New York’s coaching staff, which is one factor signaling them as the front-runner.

Another significant factor is the Rangers’ signing of Rick Nash, further cementing their status as a serious Stanley Cup contender.

The current inactivity surrounding Doan stems from his desire to wait out the pending sale of the franchise. Doan wants to avoid leaving the Coyotes, only to have them ultimately remain in Arizona.

Bross confirmed that there is currently a four-year deal worth at least $7 million per season on the table, but Doan remains steadfast in his decision to wait out the team’s potential buyers in order to avoid uprooting his family.

The Canucks may appeal to the Doan family, as his wife grew up in the area and they own a vacation house in Kamloops, B.C.

Despite scoring his lowest point total (50) last year since the 2001-02 season, Doan remains highly sought after by several teams including the Pittsburgh Penguins and Nashville Predators.

For now, Doan will wait and hope the team’s prospective buyer can get the $20 million he needs to move the team to Glendale and keep them close to home.


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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:58 AM

If he really wanted to remain a Coyote wouldn't he kick in the extra 20 mill for shares in the team? Ala Mario?
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:03 PM

Doesn't Doan have a good relationship with Gilman going all the way back to his Jets days? How does NYR's coaching staff have the edge as the "front runner?"
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:04 PM

I think it's time that MG moves on. Trade Lou to fill the void if possible, maybe even Ballard since he's in the rumour mill again (if he ever left).
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:16 PM

If he really wanted to remain a Coyote wouldn't he kick in the extra 20 mill for shares in the team? Ala Mario?


Different scenarios. Mario was OWED a ton of money, and the ownership came by way of paying back/buying in. The Coyotes still owe Gretzky money, so it's not like Doan is going to be getting anything back - it's almost a surefire loser. The bigger issue is operating costs, that 20 Million might be enough for the sale - but that's it.

If Doan did that - he'd be accepting the loss of that cash almost for sure.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:19 PM

Doesn't Doan have a good relationship with Gilman going all the way back to his Jets days? How does NYR's coaching staff have the edge as the "front runner?"


Front runner status is a rumored thing, there's no way we can know if it's true or not. And yes, Gillman has known Doan since the Jets days way back. But that just means there's familiarity, we can't know for sure how much that plays.

Also - have you ever been to NY? It's one of only a few cities that can leave an immediate impression on you, truly one of the great metropolis' of the world. And I've never met a woman that hasn't wanted to stay there for an extended period of time. That may be a gross generalization, but if we found out Doan's wife fell in love with the place (Doan too) I wouldn't be surprised. Vancouver is one of the best cities to live in, hands down - but it also takes some time to uncover why it's so good.

Basically what I'm saying - Blame the city of Vancouver's laid back nature if Doan doesn't sign with us. :ph34r:
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:22 PM

I think it's time that MG moves on. Trade Lou to fill the void if possible, maybe even Ballard since he's in the rumour mill again (if he ever left).


Why? Miss out on Doan and then you need a ready-made NHL'er in the Luo deal (assuming there is one). Someone that can play 3rd line at the very least, and second line if we're lucky. Get Doan, and you can take the risk on a prospect that won't be ready for a year or two. The reality is there isn't much to move on to anyway.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:26 PM

Could you kindly share the link to your "true" value calculator?


My opinion based on his stats, age, size, skillset, previous contract, inflation and comparables around the league etc.

If he weren't such a sought after UFA in such a shallow UFA pool that's likely pretty close to what his value would be IMO and is likely where the Phoenix offers were if I'm making a guess. Those things are driving up his "value" (though if some idiot GM wants to pay him $6.5m-$8m...)

Feel free to counter an argument if you disagree rather than making childish remarks that don't add to the discussion.

I think it's time that MG moves on. Trade Lou to fill the void if possible, maybe even Ballard since he's in the rumour mill again (if he ever left).


Why should he move on? Gillis has (thankfully) shown much more patience than fans numerous times since becoming GM and it hasn't failed him yet. Why not make a competitive bid for his services and see how it shakes out? He can still make trades in a week or two (or ten) if it doesn't work out with Doan.

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:31 PM

Could you kindly share the link to your "true" value calculator?


(Heart + Grit/Age)^leadership

Since Doan is 36, heart is 30, grit is 40 and leadership is 2.5... it works out to a little over 5 mil/year.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:34 PM

Shane Doan has allegedly said that the Predators are on his “short list” of teams. Predators GM David Poile said last week that they are interested in him.

http://blogs.tenness...his-short-list/
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:36 PM

Why? Miss out on Doan and then you need a ready-made NHL'er in the Luo deal (assuming there is one). Someone that can play 3rd line at the very least, and second line if we're lucky. Get Doan, and you can take the risk on a prospect that won't be ready for a year or two. The reality is there isn't much to move on to anyway.


$7+ for four years is why
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:39 PM

My opinion based on his stats, age, size, skillset, previous contract, inflation and comparables around the league etc.

If he weren't such a sought after UFA in such a shallow UFA pool that's likely pretty close to what his value would be IMO and is likely where the Phoenix offers were if I'm making a guess. Those things are driving up his "value" (though if some idiot GM wants to pay him $6.5m-$8m...)

Feel free to counter an argument if you disagree rather than making childish remarks that don't add to the discussion.


Ok, with your permission (thank you!) I'll counter ...

So, my opinion based on his stats, age, size, skillset, previous contract, inflation and comparables around the league etc. And I'm estimating his "true" value IN CURRENT MARKET (what could be more truer?) as 6 - 6.2M. And of course, he can get even more.
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:43 PM

(Heart + Grit/Age)^leadership

Since Doan is 36, heart is 30, grit is 40 and leadership is 2.5... it works out to a little over 5 mil/year.


5.4941560084931233503259514069266M per year by my calculation ;)
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:51 PM

New rumours of a Philly interest in Ballard is very interesting. They could have had Ballard for JVR instead of Schenn. I'd take any number of their young forwards.

Where's that rumour coming from?
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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:51 PM

$7+ for four years is why


Who say's he'll actually cost that much (not that GMMG would even offer it)?
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