shiznak Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Scoring depth in our top six is a huge problem... Come playoff time, our top six can't score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Look, Doan would can put us over the top, much like Weber. The difference is that Doan costs nothing but money for the Aquilini's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Where is this gaping hole you're referring to? Yes we need a gritty third line center and be nice to upgrade the size of our wings, but gaping hole? Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 OR Kassian turns into Torres Schroeder turns into Richard Park Jensen turns into Higgins Gaunce turns into Stoll My scenario is much more likely and I would easily do that deal for Weber. (Even though I think we have more holes in our forward group than on defence) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 poor Philly - no matter what they do, they still have Bryzgalov signed - forever - with a nmc - no trades, no waivers, no AHL... gonna cost them a Weber sized bonus to buy him out....and then they'd still have to find a goaltender... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 And here I thought, defense wins you championships. Weber can bring you both elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 OR Kassian turns into Torres Schroeder turns into Richard Park Jensen turns into Higgins Gaunce turns into Stoll My scenario is much more likely and I would easily do that deal for Weber. (Even though I think we have more holes in our forward group than on defence) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Then why not invest your time in Doan instead of pissing away the future for Weber when you already feel that the forward core needs more support than the defensive core. Alright, well, nm, you just shared your feeling on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 OR Kassian turns into Torres Schroeder turns into Richard Park Jensen turns into Higgins Gaunce turns into Stoll My scenario is much more likely and I would easily do that deal for Weber. (Even though I think we have more holes in our forward group than on defence) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I like Doan, he brings a lot of grit to our team, but he is very overhyped. He'll come here play with Kesler and put up 50 points and people will complain that he isn't producing. He is an upgrade in the physical factor but he isn't an upgrade in the offence factor. I can't say his physicalness is worth over 6 million more for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 How is your scenario more likely? You have absolutely zero basis to make that assumption. I'm not saying my scenario is more likely, just that it's not impossible. I think you assuming that all 4 of those players will amount to no more than average players is pretty unlikely. Even if they end up somewhere in the middle of my prediction and yours. that's 4 pretty good players that I would not trade away. Undervaluing our prospects seems to be a regular thing on CDC though. And then a player like Hodgson has a breakout rookie year and he's everyone's favorite player. Which is why I can't wait to see all the flip floppers next season why Kassian and Schroeder tear it up and everyone loves them all of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 So Mason Raymond is a legit top 6 forward? Or is Chris Higgins? Go look at the Kings offense and then compare it to ours and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's no secret we've had trouble scoring goals in the last two playoffs. Keeping the status quo up front will lead to an early exit again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 He's not an upgrade over no addition whatsoever? Again, all this costs is money, which this team has more than enough of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Scuderi Mitchell Doughty Martinez Greene Voynov They just won a Stanley cup. Team defence wins championships, not the actual defencemen, That d corps isn't any better than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Weber is the captain of his team, and he signs an offer sheet. Come to think of it, if I am Nashville, I might just let the guy walk. Not impressed. He was already over-rated. His best years were in Nashville. Welcome to Philly, Mr. Bouwmeester v 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I never said mayray or higgs are legit top six forwards. But where is the gaping hole you refer to? Mayray, Higgs are both decent forwards who are perfectly able to play second line in the nhl. That doesn't mean we have a 'gaping hole'. Do we need an upgrade, yes. No I think you need to go look at the kings second line scoring compared to ours. I'm not saying we should not make moves with our forwards, but to not make the weber move because we need to fix a 'gaping hole' on our second line wing is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Except that next summer is filled with more useful pieces than Doan, yet we just tied up all our available cap next summer in a 37 year old. I'd take Doan for one at the max salary we can fit under the cap, but I don't want him on the books for any more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Yes, and none of the final four had a Weber like player. One of them was going to win the Cup no matter what. I would say that none of those teams have a better defence than us. The Kings caught us at a bad time, that was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Scuderi Mitchell Doughty Martinez Greene Voynov They just won a Stanley cup. Team defence wins championships, not the actual defencemen, That d corps isn't any better than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 How is your scenario more likely? You have absolutely zero basis to make that assumption. I'm not saying my scenario is more likely, just that it's not impossible. I think you assuming that all 4 of those players will amount to no more than average players is pretty unlikely. Even if they end up somewhere in the middle of my prediction and yours. that's 4 pretty good players that I would not trade away. Undervaluing our prospects seems to be a regular thing on CDC though. And then a player like Hodgson has a breakout rookie year and he's everyone's favorite player. Which is why I can't wait to see all the flip floppers next season when Kassian and Schroeder tear it up and everyone loves them all of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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