Canuck or Die Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 You need to look at the history of first rounders to understand that his scenario is more likely. But looking at them optimistically I'd say: Kassian= second-third liner Schroeder= third liner at best Jensen= good first liner, all star Gaunce= decent third liner You'd rather have that then one of the top two or three defencemen in the league right now that could put us over the top for a cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewdog Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 It's interesting to read everyone's different value of 1st round draft picks. To some they are worth trading for proven talent, and to others they are Wonka golden tickets. I think it's easy to say that 4 (late) 1st round picks are worth the cost of a current superstar because draft picks generally don't show their worth for about 5 years. I had a quick grab of near side-by-side late 1st round picks from years 2003-06. What if Nashville lucked out and drafted the 2013-16 versions of Perry, Green, Downie, and Berglund? Of course, it could turn out the opposite. You just never know with draft picks, even as high as 1st rounders. The argument can never really be settled until years down the road. EDIT: ACK! Sorry for the rotten cut and paste. 2003 28 Anaheim Corey Perry R London Knights [OHL] 530 205 224 429 664 30 St. Louis Shawn Belle D Tri-City Americans [WHL] 20 0 1 1 2 2004 29 Washington Mike Green D Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 398 82 169 251 298 30 Tampa Bay Andy Rogers D Calgary Hitmen [WHL] 2005 29 Philadelphia Steve Downie R Windsor Spitfires [OHL] 272 55 82 137 654 30 Tampa Bay Vladimir Mihalik D Presov (Slovakia-2) 15 0 3 3 8 2006 25 St. Louis Patrik Berglund C Vasteras IK [swe-1] 310 75 88 163 88 27 Dallas Ivan Vishnevskiy D Rouyn-Noranda Huskies [QMJHL] 5 0 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Iginla Elias Perry Getzlaf Alfredsson Ribeiro Hartnell Morrow Horton Roy Clowe Weiss Filppula Cleary Clarkson Brouwer Now I'm not saying that they'll all make it to UFA, but realistically I can see the following testing the UFA market. Iginla Perry Getzlaf Ribeiro Morrow Clowe Weiss Clarkson Brouwer All of which would be great additions to this team; and all of which are a heck of a lot younger than Doan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Yes among the Flames managment team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Yes among the Flames managment team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Do you honestly think Anaheim lets Perry and Getzlaf walk for nothing? I say they re-sign in Anaheim. And IMO Iginla will retire a Flame. The other players aren't any better than Doan, and a couple of them will probably command at least 5 million (RIbeiro 32, and Weiss 29, Clowe 29) Doan's grit and leadership ability makes him better than those 3 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I would have to disagree. Our offence 5 on 5 is worse than LA. We couldn't score against LA, we couldn't score against Nashville, we couldn't score against the Bruins. Our problem is our top 6 can't score when faced against a big physical team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Given that we're probably going to dump Luongo for a respectable return (we should, and we should get that). Doan making 6 million as you suggested, a cap hit of that is only slightly more than Luongo's. It's not like we're desperate for cap relief here. There is always the possibility of shipping out Ballard and freeing up that extra four million plus. Doan is still the logical choice to me. Of course the only deterring factor here is the gong show in Phoenix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Two of those series we had significant injuries in our top 6, and the other series was agaist a stingy defensive team. We have been the highest scoring team in these two past seasons, scoring isn't a problem. And don't give me that weak, "we play in a weak division, that's why we score a lot of goals." argument. We scored more than 4 goals against Nashville, Phoenix, Washington, Detroit, Toronto, Philadelphia, and Boston, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I think Nashville will match but........ What is the breakdown of the draft pick compensation by year? Obviously, the Flyers don't have 2 first round draft picks of their own next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Really? That's a completely different discussion now. I'm saying that we don't have a 'gaping hole' at forward like you do. That top six can win a cup next yr. Higgs is not a 'gaping hole' on our second line wing. I'd rather upgrade the right side of our D with Weber who is an all star and who many consider one of the top D in the league. In addition, signing Web would not have precluded us from trading for a forward upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I won't give you that argument. I'll just say that we score our goals on the PP. Playoff hockey is much different and when our PP struggle we lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Two of those series we had significant injuries in our top 6 prior to facing them, and the other series was against a stingy defensive team. We have been the highest scoring team in these two past seasons, scoring isn't a problem. And don't give me that weak, "we play in a weak division, that's why we score a lot of goals." argument. We scored more than 4 goals against Nashville, Phoenix, Washington, Detroit, Toronto, Philadelphia, and Boston, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I think Nashville will match but........ What is the breakdown of the draft pick compensation by year? Obviously, the Flyers don't have 2 first round draft picks of their own next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 But in reality all of this is just you pulling things out of thin air. Nobody can predict the career path of a player. Kesler was also predicted to be a third line checker at best too. Gaunce has alot of similarities to Kesler and could wind up just as good for all we know. Schroeder is not a third line player. He will either be a second line center or nothing. He'll silence his critics just like Hodgson did, and just like Grabner did. But hey, the more doubters the better. Just makes it funner for me when these guys succeed. The key word is "could". Shea Weber could put us over the top, but he could also be one of the worst cap crippling contracts we ever got. Since there's no guarantee he would lead to us getting a cup, the risk is too great. We could end up giving away 4 really good young players for a player that may only have 4 or 5 years of elite hockey left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 And that where you insert Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Grabner sure silenced me with his outstanding 32 points in 78 games last season getting 13 minutes a game. Heck Raymond had a terrible season and he put up similar numbers without being able to train coming back from the most serious injury this team has seen in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 If you remember, CDC and the Canucks were very interested in Bouw as well. He very well might of ended up here if Calgary didn't trade for his rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I would say any weakness in our team that will likely prevent us from being able to win a cup is a gaping hole. Weber would be a luxury, but he's not a need for this team. Edler put up as many points as Weber. He's the teams number 1 offensive defenseman. Weber ain't coming here, so it really doesn't matter now anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Almost won the Calder in his rookie year scoring more goals than Daniel Sedin did this season. But that's not that impressive right? Just cause he had a sophomore slump doesn't mean he didn't silence his critics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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