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#331 stawns

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:01 PM

All I have to say is, WOW, Holmgren has the balls to make big moves. If NSH doesn't match, they just paved themselves a road out of the playoffs for the next couple of years. Philly is in a win/win situation, 4 low first rounders (26-30) for an elite franchise d-man, locked up for the rest of his career, either that or nothing happens at all.


low first rounders, in an ideal situation.........what if Bryz craps the bed? What if the kids can't carry the load? Suppose they hve some injuries? Any one of these situations could push their pick to a pretty good spot.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:01 PM

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I'm trying to go back to bed. More info coming in. Philly, NYR, Detroit and San Jose were big players in Weber trade scenarios.


And we weren't?!?

WTF?
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

Charlie Coyle? Michael Granlund? Dumba? Brodin?

Every team has unproven prospects. Outside Granlund, not a huge impact within 3 years.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

Jesus.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

Look at Parise and Suter.

They make 12 million and 10 million bonus year 1 - 22 million
Year 2: 12 million + 10 million signing bonus - another 22 million
Year 3: 11 million + 5 = 16 million.

Hugely front-loaded and perfectly legit. according to the current CBA.


that is not correct

12 million in year one..... 10 of which is signing bonus, 2 is salary
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

Would it not make more sense for the Predators to match the offersheet, and then if need be go ahead and trade Weber in a year? As far as I know the only restriction on the Predators trading Weber after matching the offer sheet is that they retain him for one year; Weber is only 26 right now and will be only 27 next year. I'am sure there would be numerous teams who would line up to trade for Shea Weber in a year even if CBA changes; Weber is an All-Star Defencemen who is young!

The reason I think Nashville should match the offer sheet is

1) It shows other teams you won't be pushed over.

2) Their not having to spend the money on Suter.

3) If they end up having to trade Weber in a year because he is not happy with progress of franchise, I think the Predators would get a better return then the compensation they would get from offer sheet.
(Keep in mind although the maximum compensation the Preds could recieve is 4 first round draft picks under the CBA, there is a good liklihood that those end up being bottom first round draft picks as the Flyers look to be a competitive team for the foreseeable future.)

4) Keeps Fan Happy.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

And we weren't?!?

WTF?


140lb tunas don't grow on trees homie
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

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Last four drafts, original PHI first-round position was 20, 25, 29 and 21. Would you trade those for Shea Weber?

And those picks are only getting lower with Weber there. Even worse if it's two 1st, a 2nd and 3rd.

Nashville must match it.


4 late first round picks are not even on the same level with a Weber. Good move by Philly
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:02 PM

Dreger said ONE of the calendar years could be 26 million. Not YEAR ONE.

I think the only issue for Poile (despite him apparently saying he'll match anything) is money allocation. And if this is the case I think he says no


I'm guessing $13M per year for the first 2 seasons. Depending onthe timing of payment, this could amount to $26M within a calendar year.

Interesting to watch some of these FAs diving for the big bucks before the new CBA is negotiated. They know things won't be as lucrative next CBA and are willing to cash-strap any team to get their fortune. Some of these contracts are going to really hamstring teams down the road with so much tied up in 2 or 3 "stars" and little left over for the rest.

Shame on these GMs for being so bloody short-sighted as well. It's like a shark feeding frenzy the way they are going after these FAs.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:03 PM

If the compensation is two - 1st rounders, a 2nd and 3rd.

Gillis traded approx. that in the Keith Ballard trade! (1st rounder, Grabner [who was a 1st rounder], Bernier [who was a 1st rounder] ). That's 3 first round picks right there for Keith Ballard. Gillis must have been in the midst of putting together an offer sheet for Weber, right? Surely, Weber is worth more than Keith Ballard, right?
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:03 PM

If Weber really wanted to leave Nashville, he would not have signed the offer sheet since he was going to be a UFA after this season.

Given the uncertainty of what a new CBA will look like, an offer sheet was probably the only way he was going to cash in for the dollars Suter and Parise got. From Shea's standpoint it's a win-win...he get the big money and term AND gets to stay in Nashville or play in Philly.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:03 PM

W00O0O0O0OOWO0O0OO lol everybody is freaking out


I actually think most people are looking at this reasonably. For all the crap that comes with CDC - at least most people are realizing these long term contracts are death sentences...even for 'elite' players.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:04 PM

Weber is the best Dman in the league with Suter playing Robin to Weber (batman). Maybe Weber is not as good as everyone thinks without a player like Suter. We shall see but the consensus is that Weber is the best Dman in the league.


It's debatable. As to "by far the best" in the league is not debatable, it's totally untrue.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:05 PM

Charlie Coyle? Michael Granlund? Dumba? Brodin?


Coyle looks like a pretty sure bet, but so did Mueller.........Granlund still has a lot to prove against men, imo..........Dumba was the wild card in the draft........Minny is banking on him being able to bring that physical aspect to the NHL, but at 5'11, I'm not sold
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:05 PM

the nhl really needs to step in. these contracts are getting soooooooo rediculous, 14 years over 100 mill are you freaking kidding me


Yea, stupid league; than they complain later when an agreement has to be made...whytcha dissallow them in the first place retards :picard:
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:06 PM

The NHL is asking for no bonuses and a term limit of 5 years for contracts. So this type of contract will no longer exist in the future. Even if the league doesn't get every thing they want this type of contract will be a thing of the past. That's why Weber made the right decision to cash in now.


Somehow I think this type of deal we are seeing tonight is going to make a lot of fans side with the owners in a new CBA, because this is just ridiculous, Allowed, but still it needs to be addressed soon.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:06 PM

You don't think Minnesota, Edmonton & Colorado bypass Vancouver in three years once the Sedins start losing a step (something they can ill afford to happen given their current shortcoming in that department)?

That's just within the division...


Depends if we go hard on Getzlaf and Perry next summer. If not yea we're screwed.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:06 PM

So - correct me if I'm wrong.

Can Nashville match and trade? Match the deal then trade to, say, Detroit? Or are they locked in for the year? And an offer sheet can't have a no-trade clause, can it?


You can't trade a player for 1 year if you've matched an offer sheet.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:07 PM

If the compensation is two - 1st rounders, a 2nd and 3rd.

Gillis traded approx. that in the Keith Ballard trade! (1st rounder, Grabner [who was a 1st rounder], Bernier [who was a 1st rounder] ). That's 3 first round picks right there for Keith Ballard. Gillis must have been in the midst of putting together an offer sheet for Weber, right? Surely, Weber is worth more than Keith Ballard, right?

First, it's been said 100 times that the compensation is 4 firsts. Keep up.

Second, that is such BS logic. Bernier has/had little to zero value at all, and Grabner was a prospect that we didn't have a spot for and didn't fit the team philosophy. And he obviously had zero trade value to Florida since they put him on waivers months later.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:07 PM

How many people think pronger gonna retire?
If e does his cap hit will still count right?
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:07 PM

Man the Flyers are really going for it. Assuming this deal goes through, can you imagine them with a good goaltender?
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:08 PM

thats it the dream's over. He ain't coming here...kinda sad
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:08 PM

If the compensation is two - 1st rounders, a 2nd and 3rd.

Gillis traded approx. that in the Keith Ballard trade! (1st rounder, Grabner [who was a 1st rounder], Bernier [who was a 1st rounder] ). That's 3 first round picks right there for Keith Ballard. Gillis must have been in the midst of putting together an offer sheet for Weber, right? Surely, Weber is worth more than Keith Ballard, right?


Wow...CDC always amazes me.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:08 PM

Coyle looks like a pretty sure bet, but so did Mueller.........Granlund still has a lot to prove against men, imo..........Dumba was the wild card in the draft........Minny is banking on him being able to bring that physical aspect to the NHL, but at 5'11, I'm not sold


Mueller had problems with commitment. I doubt Coyle has the same problems, Coyle is much more willing and involved. With the signing of Suter and Parise, these guys don't need to be stars or top tier players. If they can even become core players, I'm sure the Wild will be happy and competitive.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:09 PM

Man the Flyers are really going for it. Assuming this deal goes through, can you imagine them with a good goaltender?


Maybe they will trade for Luongo? LOL
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:09 PM

All Nashville does is churn out NHL defensemen. Even with losing Suter and Weber, they'll be no worse than the middle of the pack in regards to defense.


Other than Gill and Klein, Nashville's defensemen is young and extremely inexperienced with a total
of 140 games played between Josi, Ellis, and Blum. If Poile let's Weber walk, i could see Nashville
missing the playoffs next season.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:09 PM

How many people think pronger gonna retire?
If e does his cap hit will still count right?

How many people think pronger gonna retire?
If e does his cap hit will still count right?


EDIT: Oops read that wrong, haha. It's late.

Edited by Stizz19, 18 July 2012 - 11:10 PM.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:09 PM

Ya, basically confirming he had no urgency at all. I don't blame him. If we signed Weber to a contract like that, you could say goodbye to Burrows, Edler, Higgins, Lappy, etc.

no, it would be Luongo, Ballard, and Raymond. You missed the memo ;)
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:09 PM

It's 3AM here, I was REALLY shocked with all this, at this time. Well, good think I was still awake.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:09 PM

Somehow I think this type of deal we are seeing tonight is going to make a lot of fans side with the owners in a new CBA, because this is just ridiculous, Allowed, but still it needs to be addressed soon.


I agree. These types of contracts have been circumventing the cap for years. I totally side with the owners on their proposals. I don't see them getting everything they asked for but I believe at least these rediculous contracts will be a thing of the past in the new CBA.
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