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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:18 AM

In case you live under a rock, Philly just signed Shea Weber to a huge offersheet yesterday.

This puts them in a bit of a bind if their top RFA, Jakub Voracek, were to sign an offersheet with another team. They have to wait for word from Nashville on whether their offer sheet will be matched. Nashville has seven days to do so.

Admittedly I don't know too much about Voracek other than that he is a top six RW, and has produced 49 and 46 points with 18 and 14 goals the last couple seasons. He's also only 22. http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl-keymatch

Right now Philly is $7.8m cap space with 22 players signed, not including Weber, plus they can exceed the cap by another 10% during the offseason. So they have the space for both players. http://www.capgeek.c...rts.php?Team=24

Is this possible? How much do you think it would take for Philly to pass and take the compensation?

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:26 AM

I'd only do it if Philly does get Weber because than there is no way they can keep all of their youth. People such as Schenn, Courturier, Read, Wellwood, HARTNELL, and Voracek will all need raises. Some will be some while all of the raises will be large. An offer sheet would be a good idea, though I think it would be funny if Nashville offersheeted all of their players.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:31 AM

Philly doesn't have to wait for Nashville. Since it's the offseason, they're allowed to go up to 10% over the cap.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:33 AM

The Nashville decision will be made before the 7 days are up. So if Nashville doesn't match, they'll let Voracek go and recoup draft picks.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:37 AM

Philly will still need to construct a cap team when this is all said-and-done.

I expect them to trade Andrej Meszaros. That should free up enough to sign Voracek, even after adding Weber.

They don't need much wiggle-room, as they'll be getting cap relief for Pronger once the season starts.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:41 AM

Pronger in the LTIR should be good enough.

But a decent enough proposal.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:06 AM

I'd say go for it.
But seeing how Voracek was such a key cog in the Carter trade, I can't see them letting him go easy.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:24 AM

3 year, 12 million dollar contract ($4 million per season)

Might not seem that high but it will set a precedent for what guys like Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds and Read will make.

That might work..

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:55 AM

I'd do it. Young top-6 forwards like him should really help the team going forward.

I would love to see Pronger not needing to go on the LTIR when the regular season goes around. Sure, they may (I hope they don't) get Weber but if there's no space left (and they've spent the 10% over the cap) after signing Shea they would be losing some serious depth.

Not only would they have to trade Meszaros but they could end up like New Jersey did several seasons ago, when their guys got injured but they had no cap space to bring in reinforcements and so they ended up playing undermanned for quite the stretch. Even with their star depth, time still has a way of wearing guys down, plus I'd think that with their rough-and-tumble style some of their guys would get suspended.

Also, like Garrison said below,

I'd only do it if Philly does get Weber because than there is no way they can keep all of their youth. People such as Schenn, Courturier, Read, Wellwood, HARTNELL, and Voracek will all need raises. Some will be some while all of the raises will be large. An offer sheet would be a good idea, though I think it would be funny if Nashville offersheeted all of their players.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:22 AM

How many picks we willing to give up? I mean it might take upwards of 4 mil to absolutely pry him away. I believe that would be a 1st.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:29 AM

  • $1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
  • $1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
  • $1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
  • $3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
  • $4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
  • $6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
  • $7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

I'm not sure if this is for this year or last year but it should give you good idea. If Nashville doesn't match, Philly will probably be more inclined to take the picks to replace the ones they send to Nashville.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:33 AM

Pronger in the LTIR should be good enough.

But a decent enough proposal.


Does Pronger's cap hit come off if he's on LTIR? Cap geek says his is a 35+ contract meaning it's on the books through 2017 whether he plays or not. Is that right?

If that's right, Philly will have to either let voracek go or sign him and trade someone else. And since so many players have no trade or movement clauses on that team, Schenn and Meszaros are the only real options.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:39 AM

ASSETS: Is a very good passer. Has excellent offensive skills, a good shot and sound hockey sense. He is also usually defensively responsible and has a good frame. Shifty, he works hard, is creative and can also produce in the clutch

FLAWS: Tends to disappear for stretches, and generally lacks consistency in all areas of the game. Needs to become a better player along the wall, where he has the size to dominate--but rarely does.

CAREER POTENTIAL: Skilled scoring winger with good upside

I think it would be an awesome idea. He's big, younger, and is more of a passer than a shooter. This should help kesler's game

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:41 AM

  • $1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
  • $1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
  • $1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
  • $3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
  • $4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
  • $6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
  • $7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
I'm not sure if this is for this year or last year but it should give you good idea. If Nashville doesn't match, Philly will probably be more inclined to take the picks to replace the ones they send to Nashville.



Good point, and he might be worth a first and a third. He's more of a playmaking winger from what I understand, that could work with Booth/Kesler.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:09 PM

I would really like to see Nashville do this :)

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 01:11 PM

Good point, and he might be worth a first and a third. He's more of a playmaking winger from what I understand, that could work with Booth/Kesler.


I think we could easily sign him, considering we could always just take FLA's 1st in a Lu deal or go all in for Gudbranson straight up.This move IMO isn't good for either the Flyer's and Pred's. It might actually be worse for the Flyer'sT than it is for the Pred's. Depending on the cap-hit of Weber's contract the Pred's could get 8 1st rd picks in the next 4 years without trading anyone else. Talk about stocking a prospect pool
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 03:46 PM

  • $1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
  • $1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
  • $1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
  • $3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
  • $4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
  • $6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
  • $7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
I'm not sure if this is for this year or last year but it should give you good idea. If Nashville doesn't match, Philly will probably be more inclined to take the picks to replace the ones they send to Nashville.



Good idea. An offer sheet to Voracek could be possible if Weber isn't matched by Nashville. Voracek is also primarily a playmaker, which is what we need next to Kesler and Booth and strong on the boards.

I think we would need to offer over 4.5 million per year to have a chance of not being matched. The 4.7 million threshold could do it, and the compensation would be 1st and 3rd only.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:13 PM

  • $1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
  • $1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
  • $1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
  • $3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
  • $4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
  • $6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
  • $7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
I'm not sure if this is for this year or last year but it should give you good idea. If Nashville doesn't match, Philly will probably be more inclined to take the picks to replace the ones they send to Nashville.



These are actually outdated. Here are the 2012-13 numbers:

  • $1,110,249 or below - No Compensation
  • Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick
  • Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick
  • Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd
  • Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd
  • Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
  • Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks
I would do a 3 year 15 mil offersheet. A little high, but manageable enough. Exactly the kind of player we need. If Philly matches it forces them to overpay a bit, and if they don't we get him and only give up a 1st and 3rd. Not bad at all.

Edited by Mack Attack, 19 July 2012 - 04:14 PM.


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:52 PM

Shouldn't Nashville offer sheet Voracek in retaliation to Weber being offer sheeted?

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:52 PM

I think this is quite a good idea. Make it a 4 year deal, that way you can stretch the average a bit and guarantee you fit under the $5,046,585.

First Year 5.5
Second year 5.5,
Third year 4.5
Fourth year 4.25

Keeps the average cap hit under 5 mil so that Canucks only have to give up 1st and a 3rd. Could try prying a 1st away from Florida in exchange from Luo, then the Canucks wouldn't have to be so desperate to target one of Florida's top fwd prospects.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:06 PM

The problem with offersheets is that you ALWAYS overpay. Otherwise the team would clearly match it. Weber is good but 7.8 million cap hit until he is 40 and 26 million due in the next 11 months is insane!

Voracek is a great player but paying him 5 million a year is 1.5 million of an overpayment, plus it still costs us the first and third. I'd rather trade for him

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:07 PM

Wesley Myron has a chance of being a Voracek type player in the future




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