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#1 Watermelons

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 03:37 PM

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An interesting article I found on Yahoo (I searched and couldn't find anyone that posted this before) about Todd Bertuzzi's hit on Steve Moore...

Here is the article:


Scott Parker was always a fascinating character. He was a hulking, elite enforcer in the NHL from 1998-2008 with the Colorado Avalanche and San Jose Sharks; a tattooed heavyweight (6-5, 240) that embodied his role as The Sheriff. He looked as if an extra from "Sons of Anarchy" had been asked to fill in at forward that night. (You know, if "SoA" had been a thing back in the early 2000s.)
In retirement, he's still fascinating. Parker and his wife have opened a barber shop called Lucky 27 Social Club in downtown Castle Rock, CO, that's billed as "a place where men could be men - while being pampered like women."
Why are we telling you this? First, because Brett Shumway of Mile High Hockey has a two-part Q&A with Parker (read Part 1 and Part 2) that we simply didn't want to see end. It's an awesome, insightful and sprawling conversation about the Avs then and now, the Stanley Cup, life as a goon, injuries and hockey in general.
For example, on the NHL's department of player safety, Parker argues that self-policing the game is still the way to go:


"Come playoffs, whistles go away. Why is there two separate games? Why don't they just play that way the whole time instead of just letting them play like that in the playoffs, because the enforcers don't generally get to play in the playoffs. If Raffi Torres will go out and just [expletive] tool someone, and I can't go out and do it 'cause I'm up in the stands eating nachos - now I can't do anything."

But the real sizzle in Part 2 of Shumway's chat with Parker surrounds then-Vancouver Canucks forward Todd Bertuzzi's infamous 2004 attack that ended Avs forward Steve Moore's NHL career. The civil lawsuit filed against Bertuzzi and the Canucks' then-owners is expected to go to trial later this year.
Parker was playing for San Jose when Moore, with whom Parker played in Colorado, was attacked. While he doesn't exonerate Bertuzzi, he doesn't demonize him either.

From Mile High Hockey, here's Parker answering a question about Bertuzzi:


SCOTT PARKER: Yeah, yeah. He's a good man. He, he is. I mean, he did get dealt some bad cards, and the thing is, [Steve Moore] always thought he was better than everybody else. He went to Harvard, you know what, (removed - inappropriate). College grad. I never went to college, but I can kick your ass. I'll bring you right down to my IQ level if you want. I'll hit you about four times in the skull, that'll bring you right down. So, you know, Todd just, it was one of those games. Markus Naslund, the captain of the Canucks, gets taken out. It was a little sketchy what happened, but, hey. And then Moore, he fought, I think Cooke came after him and then he fought, which wasn't really a fight. Todd wasn't really thrilled with it, they were losing, I think it was 8 to 1 in their home barn.
You don't do that in Canada. You talk about a sport that they love? You talk about Europeans and soccer? That's hockey in Canada. So it's the same way, if you don't respond up there, they will eat you alive.
And Todd, he might have gone overboard, and what's crazy is, even talking to him after the fact and talking to Moe, Morris and other boys that were in that, that happened, I watched that tape about a hundred times, and just the way Todd hit him, and he actually grabbed him to soften his blow when he went down, and what happened was when Moe landed on him, he actually hit the back of his neck and it actually popped up. You know, just the way Todd was holding him.
But you know, it wasn't vicious, it was just, it was the heat of the moment. It was one of those things where you, you want to do something, but you don't know if it's gonna be big, if it's gonna be small, or how it's gonna pan out. But you wanna do something. And Todd, he might not have been right and it might have been a little overboard, but you know, he did something. I mean, at least he responded, at least he tried.
I know he's marked now. People hate him, and it's amazing what that can do to a man, too. It can make you feel this small, you know. And he's not a bad man. He's a great guy and a good family guy, and he just got marked. It's one of those things…

It's interesting that Parker doesn't touch on the notion that Bertuzzi was following orders from his coach, which has been a much-disputed facet of the incident.
After all, Parker was an enforcer, and part of the gig is being instructed to make an opposing team or player "pay the price" for their transgressions. Which is essentially what Bertuzzi has indicated he went through in Vancouver.
Yeah, we know: Why should we care about a retired meathead's ramblings on Todd Bertuzzi? Read Part 1 and Part 2 of the interview. Say what you will, but the guy's lived the life. It's not hard to imagine that many of his contemporaries don't see Bertuzzi/Moore in much the same manner.



http://sports.yahoo....41425--nhl.html

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:15 PM

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[Steve Moore] always thought he was better than everybody else. He went to Harvard, you know what, blow me. College grad. I never went to college, but I can kick your ass. I'll bring you right down to my IQ level if you want. I'll hit you about four times in the skull, that'll bring you right down.


Pure gold. :lol:
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:22 PM

Pure gold. :lol:


One of my favourite parts of the article B)

Arrogance can lead to bad things....
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 04:28 PM

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Bang on. Bert gets way too much criticism for that. It wasn't even as bad as hits we've seen this year.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 05:34 PM

Thank you SO much for this.
Its awesome to see this point of view.
I've always been a huge bert fan, and it breaks my heart sometimes seeing the way he gets crucified for that incident.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:31 PM

It seems as if Moore was a cocky and arrogant guy, that's never really a good thing. He might have had it coming, but this whole thing got blown way out of proportion.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:49 PM

Another best part...

And then Moore, he fought, I think Cooke came after him and then he fought, which wasn't really a fight.


I used to live in Kelowna and saw plenty of Parker's games there. On one occasion, my buddy Mo and I had front row seats at a Kelowna Rockets game. I think it was against Seattle. Right in front of our seats, Parker grabbed this guy by the throat, punched him once and dropped him on the ice in a heap. Shortest fight I ever saw.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:50 PM

Great read - "At least he responded". Loved that, exactly what we need, and this is a great point of view.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:11 AM

I see what he's saying. Bertuzzi obviously went overboard with his revenge. But if you think about it, it's not as bad as guys like Cooke (before he cleaned things up) running around and knocking out multiple innocent unsuspecting players like Savard. Moore was not an innocent angel. The Bertuzzi incident got a lot of attention because it was so deliberate and obvious-looking to everyone watching. But other cheap shots can be just as deliberate, they just look more subtle on TV. If Bertuzzi had gone up and done it to a random star player like Forsberg, it would have been worse.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:23 AM

Great read - "At least he responded". Loved that, exactly what we need, and this is a great point of view.


What would have happened to Marchand if Bertuzzi (or someone like him) was on our team during the finals.....
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:49 AM

Sounds a bit biased. He states he didn't even like Moore anyway. Then defends Todd because they both played a similar role and the fact Todd responded when nobody else did. The role of an enforcer. He did his duty and Parker respects him for that. Both were big burly bastards. But Todd could actually play the game well.

Then again it's actually nice to see someone defend him.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:38 AM

I've always felt that Moore tried to sell the punch. When you feel yourself about to fall face first with a 240lb man on your back, your first reaction is to brace yourself with your arms.

Was the punch really hard enough to instantly knock a guy out?
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:16 AM

I always say, if Moore had just manned up and fought Cooke or someone, then nothing would have happened.

And don't get me started on why the coach even put Moore on the ice at the end of the game anyways. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:25 AM

I still, to this day, think Bertuzzi should have done jail time for his assault on Moore.

Todd Bertuzzi was my favourite Canuck at the time of the incident, too. After the attack, I lost all respect for him.

feline move, but at least he "stood up" for a teammate, which we rarely see with the 2012 version of the Canucks.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:14 AM

You know what's most surprising about this article??? Scott Parker never went to college. :o
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:46 PM

I've always felt that Moore tried to sell the punch. When you feel yourself about to fall face first with a 240lb man on your back, your first reaction is to brace yourself with your arms.

Was the punch really hard enough to instantly knock a guy out?


Yes, it was. Which is why the natural instinct to put your arms out in front of you to break your fall wasn't present.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:58 PM

Have defended Big Bert since the moment Moore's face hit the ice. Reading this just makes me feel even better about it :) Awesome read !
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:02 PM

I always say, if Moore had just manned up and fought Cooke or someone, then nothing would have happened.

And don't get me started on why the coach even put Moore on the ice at the end of the game anyways. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.


No, that was part of the problem. He went after Cooke.

When the other team demands retribution, you don't get to pick your dance partner (smallest player on the team) If he got hammered on by May when it happened in the first place, that would have been the end of it. (Ref sent May off with a misconduct for even trying to get at Moore)
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:04 PM

No, that was part of the problem. He went after Cooke.

When the other team demands retribution, you don't get to pick your dance partner (smallest player on the team) If he got hammered on by May when it happened in the first place, that would have been the end of it. (Ref sent May off with a misconduct for even trying to get at Moore)


Exactly this!

Unwritten code........every player knows it. (Or should have.)

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:42 PM

I forgot to mention he should have fought May, my mistake, haha.

But yeah, while I feel bad for Moore and what happened, truthfully, as a hockey player, he should have known better, as well as his coach.

I mean seriously, half the Canucks team was chasing after Moore and you put the ???? guy on the ice at the end of the game? What the frack do you THINK will happen?
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:18 PM

bert>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:10 PM

Interesting take. However, it's Scott Parker's.

It's like asking Ben Eager about the meaning of the universe, when everyone knows that's Byrz's territory.

An opinion i'd be more interested in is David Bolland's, Brad Marchand's or even Matt Cooke's. Considering that they're all rats like Steve Moore was.


Makes me wonder what kind of revenge will eventually be taken out on Duncan Keith and the Hawks next season. That is far from resolved. Will we go after Keith again? Let it go? Or take out Toews/Kane/Hossa with his head down? Should be interesting.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 11:23 PM

Really unfortunate that Moore was injured as badly as he was but Bert did not deserve the entirety of the backlash he received.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 12:30 AM

That was just bad luck at the end of the day.

Weber's head smash of Zetterberg into the glass could have very easily ended up being as bad as the Moore incident but luckily for all involved it wasn't.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 01:55 PM

I am a fan of Bertuzzi, but I cant believe how some people are still trying to pin it on Moore.

Bert was wrong to do that, and his actions were indefensiveable.
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Posted 22 July 2012 - 03:50 PM

The dog pile on Moore did not help his injury.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 02:35 AM

I've always felt that Moore tried to sell the punch. When you feel yourself about to fall face first with a 240lb man on your back, your first reaction is to brace yourself with your arms.

Was the punch really hard enough to instantly knock a guy out?


That's what I always thought.
To me it looked like Bert swung and hit Moore in the side of the head. Bert is wearing a glove and Moore is wearing a helmet, is that really enough to dummy a pro hockey player?
To this day I still think if the idiot Colorado players didn't pile on Bert and Moore he wouldv'e been mostly fine.
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 09:47 AM

Someone thinks Moore is an arrogant jerk?

Never would have guessed that
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:05 PM

That was just bad luck at the end of the day.

Weber's head smash of Zetterberg into the glass could have very easily ended up being as bad as the Moore incident but luckily for all involved it wasn't.


Brilliant point ! So many savage hits are close to being career ending. It is amazing more players dont leave the ice on stretchers ?
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Posted 23 July 2012 - 06:20 PM

Interesting take. However, it's Scott Parker's.

It's like asking Ben Eager about the meaning of the universe, when everyone knows that's Byrz's territory.

An opinion i'd be more interested in is David Bolland's, Brad Marchand's or even Matt Cooke's. Considering that they're all rats like Steve Moore was.


Makes me wonder what kind of revenge will eventually be taken out on Duncan Keith and the Hawks next season. That is far from resolved. Will we go after Keith again? Let it go? Or take out Toews/Kane/Hossa with his head down? Should be interesting.

if they go after toews or kane i wont be too happy , as glad as i am to see kane go down via edler hit id rather see keith get demolished

whoever dishes it out better get a 5 game suspension or they didnt hit him hard enough
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