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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:18 AM

Yeah, good luck getting that through the customs. If it was this easy everyone and their grandmothers would order one to be shipped by USPS or Canada post right to their door. Yep, obviously it is super easy and you won't get caught. You could buy a lot of things online, from drugs, to guns and nuclear bombs but it doesn't mean you will actually have it in hand in 14 business days.


Actually it really is that easy, though in this country that kind of means would be hard pressed to compete with smuggling through our wide open border and ports on a volume basis.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:46 AM

Keywords: Claims and Possible. Relax.

Witnesses were also debriefed before speaking to media. Just saying.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:58 AM

2nd witness emerges claiming there was a second person involved during CNN interview.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 09:59 AM

Keywords: Claims and Possible. Relax.

Witnesses were also debriefed before speaking to media. Just saying.

Here I thought your keyword was stink.

Still inappropriate...and you understand what debriefing means right?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:02 AM

Here I thought your keyword was stink.

Still inappropriate...and you understand what debriefing means right?

Why am I bothering?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:11 AM

2nd witness emerges claiming there was a second person involved during CNN interview.

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The African American gentleman in the clip clearly says he "assumes" the guy was let into the theater. The police say they'll investigate to cover their bases to make sure there wasn't a second person involved. The second person in the interview couldn't hear the question properly because of the wind or noise in the background, so he answered the reporter's unnecessarily jumbled question. The question she asked was pertaining to the build of the person that returned to the theater 15-20 minutes later. The person's build would have logically changed shapes and 'bulked up' since the shooter has taken those 15-20 minutes to put on all the body armour, which would have distorted his actual size or girth, making it seem like it was another person from that which had gotten up to take a phone call through the emergency exit.

I wouldn't put too much stock in a 2nd shooter scenario.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:22 AM

Here I thought your keyword was stink.

Still inappropriate...and you understand what debriefing means right?

Why am I bothering?


Debriefings originated in the military. This type of debriefing is used to receive information from a pilot or soldier after a mission, and to instruct the individual as to what information can be released to the public and what information is restricted. Another purpose of the military debriefing is to assess the individual and return him or her to regular duties as soon as possible.

Dunno, just give up.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:26 AM

Assumes?

Here's another interview of him describing it.

http://youtu.be/6kYRYNmwgZg?t=4m20s

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:33 AM

Debriefings originated in the military. This type of debriefing is used to receive information from a pilot or soldier after a mission, and to instruct the individual as to what information can be released to the public and what information is restricted. Another purpose of the military debriefing is to assess the individual and return him or her to regular duties as soon as possible.

Dunno, just give up.


First of all, this is not a military ops which gather classified intel.....it's a criminal investigation whereby a 'debrief' of the witnesses is akin to getting legal eye-witness statements in order to be entered as evidence in an open court once a prosecutorial case has been established and prepared.for trial.

You're mixing up the meanings in both settings, and drawing military definitions into a civilian usage of the term 'debrief'.

If there have been any instructions for the witnesses or officers involved to not speak publicly about what they saw or the case, it's done so in order to not jeopardize the prosecutions case...which is again, what the initial and preliminary 'witness statements' in the initial debrief are designed to do.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:34 AM

Debriefings originated in the military. This type of debriefing is used to receive information from a pilot or soldier after a mission, and to instruct the individual as to what information can be released to the public and what information is restricted. Another purpose of the military debriefing is to assess the individual and return him or her to regular duties as soon as possible.

Dunno, just give up.


Wasn't aware that the theatre was full of military personnel. I've been watching a lot of coverage and, IMO, all the interviews have been pretty candid.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:39 AM

Psychologically speaking. I feel the second shooter theory is a no-go. This was the act of someone who wanted to gain notoriety, fame and infamy. Hence calling himself 'the joker'. The joker functions as a chaotic entity and works alone. I'm sure this guy wants all the attention himself and mentioning a second shooter would frustrate him.

I'm guessing this killer had previously blocked the exit door open to re-enter from outside. Then got ready and came back. If he truely thought of himself as the joker, then he could have thought that the act wouldn't be his fault. If nobody or nothing stopped him from carrying this out. He was merely an agent of chaos. That's how he perhaps wanted to be portrayed and why he called himself 'joker'.

That's my take on it for now, if I'm throwing a horseshoe. I would like to know what he was thinking or how he felt when he was reaching the final threshold. Entering the theater. I would almost say he wanted someone to stop him partially, or to come back and find someone had shut the exit door on him.

Regardless this is something that must be addressed through the media. Blackouts need to be done on these cases to protect the public. No doubt there could be some other lonely souls out there secretly idolizing what this person did. All attention should be on the victims, none on the killer.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:42 AM

Assumes?

Here's another interview of him describing it.

http://youtu.be/6kYRYNmwgZg?t=4m20s


He says "it was looking like he was trying to find somebody or signal somebody to come this way".

Now the key words here are.....'looking like'. That is his impression what it 'looked' like.....not what ACTUALLY was happening.

Also, he stated himself that he saw only one guy walk into the theater afterwards and that he wasn't sure if the guy that walked in, threw the gas cannister, or it was thrown from behind the guy in the clip.

That tells you how dark it was, and this guy is just guessing, and that he's not terribly sure of the things you're trying to use him to support your '2nd shooter scenario'.

Please, use some critical thinking skills.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:45 AM

Wasn't aware that the theatre was full of military personnel. I've been watching a lot of coverage and, IMO, all the interviews have been pretty candid.


dank. knows everything about everyone all the time... because the internet tells him so.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 10:55 AM

Debriefings originated in the military. This type of debriefing is used to receive information from a pilot or soldier after a mission, and to instruct the individual as to what information can be released to the public and what information is restricted. Another purpose of the military debriefing is to assess the individual and return him or her to regular duties as soon as possible.

Dunno, just give up.

Yeah...wrong context.

You are aware the word gay means more than just happy right?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:02 PM

They should just ban all the guns, doesn't matter if its an assault rifle or a Glock. If you want to protect yourself, go to a karate class or use your damn fists. At least there would be 1 killing instead of 15-20 mass killings that seems to happen in US every year. From Columbine, to Virginia to this, and it probably will never stop unless they ban guns. Why would citizens need a gun? Gun should just be used by the police, military and secret agents. Just ban all guns and monitor gun importation heavily. Make it so that if a citizen has a gun, they would be locked up in prison for 5 years. We don't need guns and if people want to protect themselves, they should call the police or 911.

In a perfect world....

As many others have pointed out, it's too late for that. A more reasonable approach IMO, is to target specific weapons (such as assault rifles) that have no place in the "legitimate use" categories, such as personal protection, target shooting or hunting. As I have stated before, I believe the casualty rate in this case would have been lessened had the shooter been limited to handguns or a hunting rifle.

I also believe that the "Chris Rock" solution although intended as a joke, has some merit. Limiting access to ammunition would be a more effective method of "control" than would banning something which is already ubiquitous in society.

Of course, there will always be a black market for these items, but I think the most realistic goal is to make them more difficult to acquire. (according to a report on CNN, all of Holme's weapons were obtained legally)
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:07 PM

Article Photos: Was the Batman movie shooting imitated from scene in 1986 comic?



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The horrific shooting at the screening of The Dark Knight Rises in Colorado late last night bears eerie similarities to a scene in the 1986 comic Batman: The Dark Knight Returns. In the comic, a crazed, gun-toting loner walks into a movie theater and begins shooting it up, killing three in the process. The passage concludes with the media blaming Batman for inspiring the shooting, though he is not involved in the incident at all.

The 1986 comic, written and drawn by Frank Miller, was a key inspiration for the Chris Nolan Batman films. It helped to reimagine the character away from his Saturday morning cartoon image and into a dark, grim avenger. The point of this particular scene in the comic was to show just how far Gotham has fallen since Batman had retired.

Was the shooter imitating this scene from the comic? Maybe, although in the scene the shooter is portrayed as inspired by his disgust at pornography and heavy metal music. The police’s investigation will surely reveal more in the near future.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:32 PM

Who takes a 4 yr old to a midnight screening ? Parenthood should be an earned privilege not a right. All those calling for a ban on guns get real. If even only one qualified person legally had a gun on them in the theater this puke would have been dropped before he killed 11. I dont want the wild west but I sure as hell want an equal chance to defend myself and my fellow citizens against lunatics like this.

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:39 PM

Who takes a 4 yr old to a midnight screening ? Parenthood should be an earned privilege not a right. All those calling for a ban on guns get real. If even only one qualified person legally had a gun on them in the theater this puke would have been dropped before he killed 11. I dont want the wild west but I sure as hell want an equal chance to defend myself and my fellow citizens against lunatics like this.


Obviously not a parent? I brought my 6 year old and he loved it. JUst like he loved spiderman, avengers, Thor, xmen, etc.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:40 PM

Where is there any mention of an Indian male?

Did you read the article?

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:43 PM

dank. knows everything about everyone all the time... because the internet tells him so.

.. there's a group of these people on the forum, the internet has made them an expert at virtually everything, and there's a conspiracy behind almost every story. :lol:

As many others have pointed out, it's too late for that. A more reasonable approach IMO, is to target specific weapons (such as assault rifles) that have no place in the "legitimate use" categories, such as personal protection, target shooting or hunting. As I have stated before, I believe the casualty rate in this case would have been lessened had the shooter been limited to handguns or a hunting rifle.

I also believe that the "Chris Rock" solution although intended as a joke, has some merit. Limiting access to ammunition would be a more effective method of "control" than would banning something which is already ubiquitous in society.

Of course, there will always be a black market for these items, but I think the most realistic goal is to make them more difficult to acquire. (according to a report on CNN, all of Holme's weapons were obtained legally)

I like your more pragmatic approach, but if people can buy guns legally, they can by munitions just as readily. Chris Rock is a comedian so he obviously uses hyperbole to get his joke across.. I get the point, but he and anyone who takes this advice seriously overlooks that bullets will be sold cheaper.. on the black market, creating yet another major criminal organisation on top of already existing ones relating to the broad spectrum of firearms and munitions.

It's hard not to laugh at the post you quoted, like someone with a gun should be combated with karate, ROFL. Even better, that only police and government should be allowed weapons.. the stupidity behind that is impossible to take seriously or as anything more than a troll. I'm still laughing at it days later. :lol:

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Posted 21 July 2012 - 12:53 PM

.. there's a group of these people on the forum, the internet has made them an expert at virtually everything, and there's a conspiracy behind almost every story. :lol:


I like your more pragmatic approach, but if people can buy guns legally, they can by munitions just as readily. Chris Rock is a comedian so he obviously uses hyperbole to get his joke across.. I get the point, but he and anyone who takes this advice seriously overlooks that bullets will be sold cheaper.. on the black market, creating yet another major criminal organisation on top of already existing ones relating to the broad spectrum of firearms and munitions.

It's hard not to laugh at the post you quoted, like someone with a gun should be combated with karate, ROFL. Even better, that only police and government should be allowed weapons.. the stupidity behind that is impossible to take seriously or as anything more than a troll. I'm still laughing at it days later. :lol:

I'm well aware of the black market aspect, and generally I agree with your point.

However, I also believe that making things more difficult to acquire can make a difference. If someone has to track something down via the black market as opposed to walking into the gun shop around the corner, I think it makes these types of mass shooting more difficult for the shooter. Chances are he goes in with just the handguns and maybe a rifle. The tragedy would still occur, but not with the level of damage.

As far as the Chris Rock reference, I'm not really advocating the $1000 bullet. What I'd suggest would be banning the sale of ammo for things such as assault weapons. People might be in possession of the weapons already, but they wouldn't be much use without the availability of ammunition for them.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 01:06 PM

Obviously not a parent? I brought my 6 year old and he loved it. JUst like he loved spiderman, avengers, Thor, xmen, etc.


hmm, Kind of a grown up movie (in my books) for a kid that age to be seeing, i'm amazed he/she wasn't scared, I personally recall the scene from the previous movie where the Joker slams the bad guy's head into an upright pencil. Not appropriate for someone that age. And yes, I am telling you how to parent ;D
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 01:27 PM

You pro gun ban people are such a product of conditioning its not even funny. The fact that our none-too-benevolent elite would like to ultimately take guns away from civilians is reason enough to oppose the idea.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 01:31 PM

Thread is devolving again. Back to the topic.

I think the cops exploded a water device inside the suspects apartment in an attempt to get rid of the booby traps. Also, I have heard the chief bomb detective has to wait until the temperature in Colorado cools off later today to get into the full body suit and inspect the apartment.

Thats the latest I have heard.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 01:34 PM

You pro gun ban people are such a product of conditioning its not even funny. The fact that our none-too-benevolent elite would like to ultimately take guns away from civilians is reason enough to oppose the idea.

Conditioning by whom? It doesn't take any kind of "conditioning" to be upset by the fact that someone can kill 12 people injure over 50 more as easily as gearing up for a camping trip.

And since when do the "elite" want to take guns away? What about those rich conservatives like Charleton Heston?
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:09 PM

Yeah, good luck getting that through the customs. If it was this easy everyone and their grandmothers would order one to be shipped by USPS or Canada post right to their door. Yep, obviously it is super easy and you won't get caught. You could buy a lot of things online, from drugs, to guns and nuclear bombs but it doesn't mean you will actually have it in hand in 14 business days.


You'd be surprised. The purpose of underground channels is to bypass customs and tarriffs. No it's not foolproof, but at the same time, it's the reason the black market has been able to stay afloat all this time.

While I think that there should be some form of restriction on guns, I also ackownledge that an outright ban would have severe repercussions. The black market of firearms is going to vigourously expand. There will still be people wanting to buy guns regadless of a ban. With high demand comes high prices. All of a sudden, money is being put into the wrong hands - money that is going to help criminal organizations further fund their illegal activities going beyond just gun distribution. Unfortunate, yes, but I am expressing awareness of things as they really are.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 02:53 PM

I think the suspect is due to be arraigned on Monday.
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 03:01 PM

Witness: Someone let gunman inside Colorado movie theater

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AURORA, CO -- A man who was at the Colorado movie theater where a dozen people were killed this morning, says he saw the gunman.
He says he thinks someone deliberately let the gunman inside once the movie started.
Here's what he told TV station KCNC this morning live on their newscast.

"As I was sitting down to get my seat, I noticed that a person came up to the front row, the front right, sat down, and as credits were going, it looked like he got a phone call. He went out toward the emergency exit doorway, which I thought was unusual to take a phone call. And it seemed like he probably pried it open, or probably did not let it latch all the way. As soon as the movie started, somebody came in, all black, gas mask, armor, and threw a gas can into the audience, and it went off, and then there were gunshots that took place."

Police arrested 24-year-old James Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, for the shootings.
At least 12 people were killed and 38 others wounded when the gunman opened fire during the midnight screening of the newest Batman film, "The Dark Knight Rises."
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

Conditioning by whom? It doesn't take any kind of "conditioning" to be upset by the fact that someone can kill 12 people injure over 50 more as easily as gearing up for a camping trip.

And since when do the "elite" want to take guns away? What about those rich conservatives like Charleton Heston?

Heston's dead, and when he was alive he was never anywhere near banker or business oligarch wealthy.It sucks that things like this can happen, I just wonder why they never seemed to happen back when guns, even automatic ones, were far easier to obtain legally than today? Up until the '70s in Canada you could legally own fully automatic weapons and it wasn't unual to see things like guns bringing guns to school for show and tell or because they were going shooting after school, and nobody freaked out.what's changed?
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Posted 21 July 2012 - 04:45 PM

Heston's dead, and when he was alive he was never anywhere near banker or business oligarch wealthy.It sucks that things like this can happen, I just wonder why they never seemed to happen back when guns, even automatic ones, were far easier to obtain legally than today? Up until the '70s in Canada you could legally own fully automatic weapons and it wasn't unual to see things like guns bringing guns to school for show and tell or because they were going shooting after school, and nobody freaked out.what's changed?


Canada stopped being a place where the local yokels were allowed to do whatever ignorant thing came to their half-wits, like sending Billy Bob and Peggy Sue to school barefoot, lice riddled and packin', like some podunk remnants of a backwater children of the corn homage.

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