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#121 Electro Rock

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:28 PM

Very politically convenient timing to say the least.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:34 PM

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:35 PM

I never understood the 'pleading insanity' case. Of course he's insane, arming yourself to the teeth, padding yourself up in bullet proof armor, launching tear gas into a crowd and murdering as many people as you can isn't a 'sane' act.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:38 PM

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:44 PM

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People act like animals, therefor they should be treated like animals.

Locking his ass in prison, keeping him alive, doesn't make any logical sense.

"Hey, you killed at least 12 innocent people for no apparent reason, some of them being babies, but that's okay. We'll give you free food, shelter, social activities, etc. for the rest of your life."

Really? Really? REALLY?
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:55 PM

Kill the scum. He doesn't deserve the gift of life.
RIP for the victims.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:03 PM

I cant believe some of you are going to try to politicize this.

Narcissism rears its ugly head.

Lets stay with the actual event and leave the spin out of it . This is a terrible day for everyone and our thoughts should be with the victims


My thoughts are with the victims.

If the US government had the stones to stand up to the NRA and ban assault weapons, there likely would have been a lot fewer of them....

And I don't see how deploring the lack of control of something designed purely for the killing of human beings could be construed as narcissistic.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:07 PM

ITT: Delicious state-sanctioned murder.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:26 PM

My thoughts are with the victims.

If the US government had the stones to stand up to the NRA and ban assault weapons, there likely would have been a lot fewer of them....

And I don't see how deploring the lack of control of something designed purely for the killing of human beings could be construed as narcissistic.


The US has the the 2nd amendment that says there is a right to bear arms. So unless there is a constitution amendent, guns will never be banned.

CNN says the suspect had 4 guns, an A-15 semi-assault rifle, Remington Shotgun, and a 2Glock hand guns. If asssault rifles were banned, there would be still shot guns and hand guns available.

There are estimated more than than 300 MILLION guns in the US. The horse is out of the gate. How will gun control stop these killings? With so many guns out there?

These are no gun deaths in China. Because gun ownership is illegal in China. There are no gun shops in China.

So should guns be banned and existing guns confiscated? That is the only way such shootings can be prevented. But then we have the 2nd amendment to deal with.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:29 PM

As well as gun control, how 'bout mental health? That last one always seem to get left behind.

And in come the hurr durr death penalty people.


sure, but you dont need to be a loon to do that. look at the zimmerman case.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:38 PM

NBC said the gunman dyed his hair red, and told the police he is the Joker.

I thought there is no Joker in this movie.


http://usnews.msnbc...._utmk=115988486

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:44 PM

James Holmes, the 24 year old suspect, was a PHD candidate at the University of Colorado. To be a PHD candidate in neuroscience you need to be a pretty smart guy.

The defense is going to have a tough time proving insanity but I suppose being smart does not preclude you from being a nutcase.


Smart has absolutely zero to do with sane.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:50 PM

I never understood the 'pleading insanity' case. Of course he's insane, arming yourself to the teeth, padding yourself up in bullet proof armor, launching tear gas into a crowd and murdering as many people as you can isn't a 'sane' act.


You think no one can conscientiously decide to do what he did? Of course they can.

He may not be insane, maybe he's just evil?
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:53 PM

You think no one can conscientiously decide to do what he did? Of course they can.

He may not be insane, maybe he's just evil?


no such thing as the devil. Joker, maybe.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:54 PM

The US has the the 2nd amendment that says there is a right to bear arms. So unless there is a constitution amendent, guns will never be banned.

CNN says the suspect had 4 guns, an A-15 semi-assault rifle, Remington Shotgun, and a 2Glock hand guns. If asssault rifles were banned, there would be still shot guns and hand guns available.

There are estimated more than than 300 MILLION guns in the US. The horse is out of the gate. How will gun control stop these killings? With so many guns out there?

These are no gun deaths in China. Because gun ownership is illegal in China. There are no gun shops in China.

So should guns be banned and existing guns confiscated? That is the only way such shootings can be prevented. But then we have the 2nd amendment to deal with.


I know. Gun lobbyists always trot this out to support their right to bear arms. What they almost ALWAYS fail to mention is that the 2nd amendment was made at a time when the US had just claimed independence from Britain. It was important THEN to have the population armed as they were a fledgling country and feared British reprisal.

The US of today is a far different place. They have a well armed military and police force. There's no reason anymore for regular citizens to carry guns.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:59 PM

Like others have said, I hope they get the death penalty. For those who say "we drop as low as them, by doing the same thing", it's not the same since they aren't innocent. Its a matter of making sure this doesn't happen again, and the only way to make sure of that is to execute them.

We need to remove people like this from the world, so that it stops happening.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

I know. Gun lobbyists always trot this out to support their right to bear arms. What they almost ALWAYS fail to mention is that the 2nd amendment was made at a time when the US had just claimed independence from Britain. It was important THEN to have the population armed as they were a fledgling country and feared British reprisal.


When the general population was granted the right to bear arms, arms meant pistols and muskets. Not semi automatic weapons.

When the ban on assault weapons expired in 2004 I recall seeing Senator Bill Frist interviewed on tv. He reasoned that letting the ban expire was the right thing to do because it wasn't very effective in that people still got their hands on them.

What kind of bloody stupid logic is that? We have a ban against murder as well, but people still get murdered. Should we undo the laws against murder?

Got to love it when your politicians are bought and paid for.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:11 PM

When the general population was granted the right to bear arms, arms meant pistols and muskets. Not semi automatic weapons.

When the ban on assault weapons expired in 2004 I recall seeing Senator Bill Frist interviewed on tv. He reasoned that letting the ban expire was the right thing to do because it wasn't very effective in that people still got their hands on them.

What kind of bloody stupid logic is that? We have a ban against murder as well, but people still get murdered. Should we undo the laws against murder?

Got to love it when your politicians are bought and paid for.

How right you are.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:12 PM

For those who say "we drop as low as them, by doing the same thing", it's not the same since they aren't innocent. Its a matter of making sure this doesn't happen again, and the only way to make sure of that is to execute them.

We need to remove people like this from the world, so that it stops happening.


OK, they aren't innocent and after you murder them neither are you. If taking life makes you feel better have at it, but don't fool yourself into thinking that will stop this from happening.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:16 PM

This world is going to SH@T! I wouldn't be surprised if Dec. 21/2012 really does happen. If i was the big guy looking down on this mess i would probably wave my hand and say : Aaaah...i think i'll just start over!

Edited by Hockey Fever, 20 July 2012 - 03:18 PM.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:17 PM

You are a freaking sick person to be trolling in this thread. People bringing a baby into a theater is clearly not the issue here.


This is not 'trolling' at all; my point wasn't towards the person who brought the baby to this particular theater. Someone mentioned that people bring babies to theaters/loud places all the time, and I just stated that it is bad for a baby's hearing which people refuted.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:19 PM

I know. Gun lobbyists always trot this out to support their right to bear arms. What they almost ALWAYS fail to mention is that the 2nd amendment was made at a time when the US had just claimed independence from Britain. It was important THEN to have the population armed as they were a fledgling country and feared British reprisal.

The US of today is a far different place. They have a well armed military and police force. There's no reason anymore for regular citizens to carry guns.


Bill Maher made reference to that on one of his shows. Back then, it made sense. Nowadays, it makes no sense. If you didn't like the government, you could take it over. The amendment was written at a time when you could. You had muskets, they had muskets. Today the government has the marines, nuclear weapons, and so on.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:20 PM

the motherfracker that did this needs to die
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:26 PM

I know. Gun lobbyists always trot this out to support their right to bear arms. What they almost ALWAYS fail to mention is that the 2nd amendment was made at a time when the US had just claimed independence from Britain. It was important THEN to have the population armed as they were a fledgling country and feared British reprisal.

The US of today is a far different place. They have a well armed military and police force. There's no reason anymore for regular citizens to carry guns.


Pushing for an Oklahoma state senate bill authorizing the open carrying of guns (which eventually passed), Sen. Ralph Shortey explained in a March committee hearing that it was an incident from his past that convinced him of the need to carry a gun openly. "I was in oil and gas. I was out on a lease at one time, and I got attacked by a turkey. Wait until you get attacked by a turkey. You will know the fear that a turkey can invoke in a person. And so I beat it with a club. That was all I could do. And (then) I started carrying a gun in my truck after that without a license because I didn't want to get attacked by a mountain lion." [Tulsa World, 3-31-2012]


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:40 PM

OK, they aren't innocent and after you murder them neither are you. If taking life makes you feel better have at it, but don't fool yourself into thinking that will stop this from happening.


So, the department of corrections should feed him, house him, cloth him, etc until the day he dies, costing taxpayers thousands upon thousand of dollars?

No thanks, I believe the families will all want him executed, and he should be.

Ethical or not, he is a POS and needs to pay the ultimate sacrifice, and trust me, the families will sleep well each night even after that POS is executed.

Lethal injection is what Colorado does, this scumbag will get his in a few years after all appeals are exhausted.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:51 PM

The US has the the 2nd amendment that says there is a right to bear arms.  So unless there is a constitution amendent, guns will never be banned.

CNN says the suspect had 4 guns, an A-15 semi-assault rifle, Remington Shotgun, and a  2Glock hand guns.  If asssault rifles were banned, there would be still shot guns and hand guns available.

There are estimated more than than 300 MILLION guns in the US.   The horse is out of the gate.  How will gun control stop these killings?   With so many guns out there?

These are no gun deaths in China.  Because gun ownership is illegal in China.  There are no gun shops in China.

So should guns be banned and existing guns confiscated?  That is the only way such shootings can be prevented.  But then we have the 2nd amendment to deal with.


I don't recall advocating the banning of all guns. Perhaps you can provide a quote that says otherwise. What I am after is a ban on assault rifles.

My belief is that there would have been less casualties in this attack if the suspect had not had access to the assault rifle.

Furthermore, I would advocate a ban on any handgun capable of firing more than a half a dozen or so rounds. Surely it wouldn't take more than that to "protect" oneself from an attacker.

As far as I know, the second amendment was drafted a couple of huindred years ago and was intended to cover single shot weapons.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:52 PM

I for one have no problem bringing your baby to a theater if you can keep the baby quiet.

But bringing th baby to a crowded loud place at midnight is not a choice i would have made.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:53 PM

So, the department of corrections should feed him, house him, cloth him, etc until the day he dies, costing taxpayers thousands upon thousand of dollars?

No thanks, I believe the families will all want him executed, and he should be.

Ethical or not, he is a POS and needs to pay the ultimate sacrifice, and trust me, the families will sleep well each night even after that POS is executed.

Lethal injection is what Colorado does, this scumbag will get his in a few years after all appeals are exhausted.


1. The death penalty does not deter.

2. The death penalty is also very expensive.

3. Your view on his treatment in prison (or a mental health institue if he ends up there) is very narrow minded. You seem to be forgetting the part where he loses a large part of what make him human. Same goes with your comments on their families, I highly doubt they'll sleep easy if he's executed, seeing as their loved ones will still be dead.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:57 PM

1. The death penalty does not deter.

2. The death penalty is also very expensive.

3. Your view on his treatment in prison (or a mental health institue if he ends up there) is very narrow minded. You seem to be forgetting the part where he loses a large part of what make him human. Same goes with your comments on their families, I highly doubt they'll sleep easy if he's executed, seeing as their loved ones will still be dead.


Did I say anything about deter?

I have lived in the United States for a long time and everyone I know is all for the death penalty, and could care less about people like yourself with these pleas of help for a sick individual.

Its the best solution, and yes, they will sleep better knowing that animal is gone for good.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:00 PM

I am not a fan of the death penalty. I think he is innocent until proven guilty. But if he is found gulity, then he needs to get life in prison and work 40 hrs a week.

The proceeds go to the victims family until the guy is 65 years old.
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