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Poile's Decision

  1. Accept the 4 first round picks (21 votes [43.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.75%

  2. Match (18 votes [37.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

  3. Negotiate a Trade (9 votes [18.75%])

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#1 kjames05

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:10 PM

I'll go first.

Poile negotiates a trade. It's almost obvious that Weber wants out now that Suter is gone and the Preds chances of being a contender every year has greatly diminished. But Poile can't let Weber go for what is likely to be 4 20+ overall draft picks. I think Poile will tell Holmgren that he will match unless they work out a favourable deal for Nash. What that deal is I'm not sure but it likely will start with Couturier + Voracek + more.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:20 PM

Since Weber signed the offersheet it's too late to negotiate a trade. If they match it, they still can't trade him for a year. It almost seems like a no-brainer to match and then consider trading him after a year (for a lot more then the 4 late firsts) but I believe Weber is set to make $27M in that one year (wow) which is a huge hurdle for a smaller market team like Nashville.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:24 PM

They can't trade Weber.

If I were Poile, I'd match if the owners say I could.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:31 PM

Let him walk.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:42 PM

I suspect they will allow him to go to Philly.
Then they will likely make a trade with the Flyers, and pick up a player or two while sending a couple of Philly's draft picks back.

Poile and Holmgren are friends and have a good relationship, so I suspect they will parlay this into a bigger transaction which helps both sides.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:47 PM

Since Weber signed the offersheet it's too late to negotiate a trade. If they match it, they still can't trade him for a year. It almost seems like a no-brainer to match and then consider trading him after a year (for a lot more then the 4 late firsts) but I believe Weber is set to make $27M in that one year (wow) which is a huge hurdle for a smaller market team like Nashville.


He won't make 27M in one year there's a rule in the CBA stating a player can only 20% of the cap a year so 70.2M * 0.2 = 14.04M. So 14.04M is the maximum he can make. That's nowhere near 27M I have no idea where you got that...

(of course they are ratifying a new CBA but still I highly doubt 27M contracts will be allowed

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:51 PM

He needs to invest the owners money in inventing a time machine. Go back to July,1 last year and sign Suter/Weber both to 6-8 year deals.

Then trade Radulov's rights to Phoenix to sabotage them in their second round match-up.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:53 PM

He won't make 27M in one year there's a rule in the CBA stating a player can only 20% of the cap a year so 70.2M * 0.2 = 14.04M. So 14.04M is the maximum he can make. That's nowhere near 27M I have no idea where you got that...

(of course they are ratifying a new CBA but still I highly doubt 27M contracts will be allowed

I believe that is cap hit not what he can make.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:57 PM

Here is what I do and why.

The Team Captain signed a deal with another team. That is as good as kissing Nashville goodbye, in the mafia sense of the term. If you match it, your buying a guy who doesn't want to play there, has no heart in it and will have to be stripped of the C anyways. It is not worth the 26m a year for the first six years that it will cost the owners, who have an internal cap lower than the real one.

You let him go, curse the luck and plan out what to do with 8 first round picks over the next four seasons. You also buy the best UFA's available right now to stock the team for at least the year and go from there. I would bring in old timers, 35+ on short term contracts but stagger them 1 2 and 3 year deals, so you can add pieces each offseason.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:57 PM

He won't make 27M in one year there's a rule in the CBA stating a player can only 20% of the cap a year so 70.2M * 0.2 = 14.04M. So 14.04M is the maximum he can make. That's nowhere near 27M I have no idea where you got that...

(of course they are ratifying a new CBA but still I highly doubt 27M contracts will be allowed


that rule is for cap hit. dreger reported when this first broke that in one year weber would make 26 million, the reason nashville can't match.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:58 PM

He trades us Rinne, Fisher, Erat, Gaustad and Hornqvist for Luo and a 7th.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:05 PM

He won't make 27M in one year there's a rule in the CBA stating a player can only 20% of the cap a year so 70.2M * 0.2 = 14.04M. So 14.04M is the maximum he can make. That's nowhere near 27M I have no idea where you got that...

(of course they are ratifying a new CBA but still I highly doubt 27M contracts will be allowed


Its true that he can only make 20% of the cap of a team during ONE SEASON, but from what I have heard on the news, Weber is allowed to make the $26-27 million in ONE CALENDAR YEAR...so I think he makes money during the offseason as well, therefore not counting as cap space.

At least that is my understanding of the situation, I'd be glad to be corrected if I'm wrong

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:11 PM

Knowing Poile he will do everything he can to match... unless ownership steps in and says they can't commit that much for that long on one player.

The Preds ownership has given Poile the green light before... i think they do it again.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:17 PM

Its true that he can only make 20% of the cap of a team during ONE SEASON, but from what I have heard on the news, Weber is allowed to make the $26-27 million in ONE CALENDAR YEAR...so I think he makes money during the offseason as well, therefore not counting as cap space.

At least that is my understanding of the situation, I'd be glad to be corrected if I'm wrong

The signing bonuses are paid in a few early years, thus 26 million cash but the cap hit is within the %'s so it clears. in the last three years of the deal he is paid in real money only 1m. it balances out at something like 7.8 a year or something.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:17 PM

Knowing Poile he will do everything he can to match... unless ownership steps in and says they can't commit that much for that long on one player.

The Preds ownership has given Poile the green light before... i think they do it again.

why would they want to secure a long term deal with a player who doesnt' wanna be there?

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:25 PM

He won't make 27M in one year there's a rule in the CBA stating a player can only 20% of the cap a year so 70.2M * 0.2 = 14.04M. So 14.04M is the maximum he can make. That's nowhere near 27M I have no idea where you got that...

(of course they are ratifying a new CBA but still I highly doubt 27M contracts will be allowed


The rule is exactly as you said. A player cap hit cannot exceed 20% of the cap ceiling. Weber's cap hit will only be 7.8 million. However his actual pay will be 27 million. 1 million salary and 26 million signing bonus.

The contract is just super front loaded. I don't think there is a limit on how much a player can earn in one year.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:26 PM

Regarding the actual topic, Poile absolutely has to match. If he loses Weber after already losing Suter, he has essentially lost the entire franchise and core. The fans will be upset and Nashville will have no choice but to start a rebuild from scratch. All the work toward building the fanbase, franchise and making the playoffs will be erased.

No matter the financial burden on the owners, they have to match and figure it out from there. If Weber demands a trade in a year, Poile can selectively get the package he wants in return and it will surely be more valuable than four first rounders. He could get young, impact, core, franchise building players in return.

Simply, they have to match.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:30 PM

Here is what I do and why.

The Team Captain signed a deal with another team. That is as good as kissing Nashville goodbye, in the mafia sense of the term. If you match it, your buying a guy who doesn't want to play there, has no heart in it and will have to be stripped of the C anyways. It is not worth the 26m a year for the first six years that it will cost the owners, who have an internal cap lower than the real one.

You let him go, curse the luck and plan out what to do with 8 first round picks over the next four seasons. You also buy the best UFA's available right now to stock the team for at least the year and go from there. I would bring in old timers, 35+ on short term contracts but stagger them 1 2 and 3 year deals, so you can add pieces each offseason.

That is what I do.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:38 PM

The only options I see are matching, or negotiating a trade. No way Poile lets Weber walk for 4 -1st round picks. I think Philly screwed themselves, big time.

They're going to give up young assets they didn't want to part with in the first place (Couturier or Schenn ++)
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Ensure they never get Weber and potentially peeve off some GM's in the process

I can see why Gillis didn't want to offersheet Weber for a long term deal.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:05 PM

He won't make 27M in one year there's a rule in the CBA stating a player can only 20% of the cap a year so 70.2M * 0.2 = 14.04M. So 14.04M is the maximum he can make. That's nowhere near 27M I have no idea where you got that...

(of course they are ratifying a new CBA but still I highly doubt 27M contracts will be allowed


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:31 PM

I'll go first.

Poile negotiates a trade. It's almost obvious that Weber wants out now that Suter is gone and the Preds chances of being a contender every year has greatly diminished. But Poile can't let Weber go for what is likely to be 4 20+ overall draft picks. I think Poile will tell Holmgren that he will match unless they work out a favourable deal for Nash. What that deal is I'm not sure but it likely will start with Couturier + Voracek + more.

Discuss.

As has been mentioned, once an offer sheet has been signed, Nashville only has two choices, to match or take the compensation. There's options for after that, whether Philly would consider moving some pieces to get back some of the 1st rounders but it's a pretty limited discussion. Not to mention everyone is already going over what will happen in the thread in Trades, Rumours and Signings.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:43 PM

He won't make 27M in one year there's a rule in the CBA stating a player can only 20% of the cap a year so 70.2M * 0.2 = 14.04M. So 14.04M is the maximum he can make. That's nowhere near 27M I have no idea where you got that...

(of course they are ratifying a new CBA but still I highly doubt 27M contracts will be allowed

I believe that is cap hit not what he can make.

Sort of.

Others have tried to explain but not quite hit the mark, but the $27M is the actual amount he's paid before the start of second season in this deal. Before playing a game in that second season, he'll have been paid $13M before this season in a signing bonus and $1M in salary over the course of the year, but also another $13M signing bonus before the start of the second season.

That's $27M paid out in a calendar year, and a lot of cash to have paid out for a team that hasn't been able to afford spending to the cap. If a lockout wipes out next season, he'll have been paid $26M without having to play a game since signing bonus are paid regardless if the season occurs or not.

The rule you've quoted is the amount any one player is paid can't exceed the 20% in a single season, which is why his deal is structured to pay out only $14M ($13M signing bonus and $1M salary) for each of the next four seasons.

EDIT: but this has all been discussed multiple times in the original thread.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:46 PM

Polie is in a tough spot, if i were him i'd match the offer, and lock him up for the rest of his career. He is an absolute stud d-man that a franchise doesn't get very often.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:04 PM

He won't make 27M in one year there's a rule in the CBA stating a player can only 20% of the cap a year so 70.2M * 0.2 = 14.04M. So 14.04M is the maximum he can make. That's nowhere near 27M I have no idea where you got that...radi

(of course they are ratifying a new CBA but still I highly doubt 27M contracts will be allowed


14M signing bonus this summer + cannot be traded for one year upon the date he signed + 13M bonus on July 1st 2013 = Nashville's owner having to pay a player 27M for one year of playing on his team.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:09 PM

Regardless, Nashville is in a lose-lose situation if they let him be signed by offer sheet or do a sign and trade. Their only hope is keep Weber for the 14 years to get full value from Weber's contract... Unless the new CBA allows for $$$ to be included in trades just like the good old days.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:14 PM

If Polie lets him walk for those 4 first rounder, I have no idea what happens to the preds franchise.

I dont know if they make the playoffs and even if they develop more players, they will all walk.

Walked

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Forsberg walked as soon as possible

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Weber (if Polie lets him )

And so the question remains how does the franchise repair the notion players just end up leaving ?
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:59 PM

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:11 PM

Here is what I do and why.

The Team Captain signed a deal with another team. That is as good as kissing Nashville goodbye, in the mafia sense of the term. If you match it, your buying a guy who doesn't want to play there, has no heart in it and will have to be stripped of the C anyways. It is not worth the 26m a year for the first six years that it will cost the owners, who have an internal cap lower than the real one.

You let him go, curse the luck and plan out what to do with 8 first round picks over the next four seasons. You also buy the best UFA's available right now to stock the team for at least the year and go from there. I would bring in old timers, 35+ on short term contracts but stagger them 1 2 and 3 year deals, so you can add pieces each offseason.

That is what I do.

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Canucks signed David Backes to a offer sheet four years ago and look at him now, the captain of the Blues. Weber signed the offer sheet from Holmgren because he likes the money, not because he doesnt want to play in Nashville. Philly just made him an offer he couldnt refuse.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 10:54 PM

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:05 PM

Seeing what Suter and Parise got what Weber got is a deal for Nashville. I think Philly is actually helping Nashville by making a fair market offer. Poile can go to the owners and present it to them and recommend acceptance. The owners have to accept it because Weber is the face of the franchise. He is also a reflection of the value of the franchise. With Weber signed the Predators are worth over $200,000,000. If Weber walks Nashville will be lining up behind Phoenix for new owners and a new location and BIG losses.

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