King of the ES Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share Posted July 22, 2012 I'm one who thinks Gillis will improve this team through trades and am glad hes not mortgaging the future. just be patient Gillis is not done yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeMinisterBure Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Then put up couple hundred million buy a franchise and see how it is to pony up another 26million in a year you aren't even sure hockey will start on time. Clearly you work for someone and not a business owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 If you read that thread you'll see that the discussion is about whether the canucks have the cash to spend. Clearly they do. The cap is another issue. The last contract included a 24% clawback of player salaries. I expect something similar this time. We have excess contracts we could lose if it meant getting one of the top D in the league. We could trade Ballard and Lu for nothing but futures and lose over 9 mil per yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeMinisterBure Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 This team's future is 2 - 3 years. That should be the ONLY focus. Were you also happy that Burke didn't "mortgage the future" back in 2002 - 2004, when we had a window to win the Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Clearly they do not if they have to trade Luo for futures only. They do not have the cash without making big changes which still leaves a hole up front of a top 6 forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Exactly. "Mortgaging the future" presupposes that this team has or could possibly have a future. Picking near the bottom of the first, second, third round etc.--as well as trading away all of its top prospects--has left this team dead in a few years. Gillis' motive should be to make this team as good as he possibly can right now. But with his complete lack of action, both the present and the future of this team are screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Ya...because Weber was the only way the Canucks could have won the cup. You should stop watching if you really thought the Canucks where going to land Weber and he was the only hope in your mind for the Canucks to win the Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeMinisterBure Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Ya...because Weber was the only way the Canucks could have won the cup. You should stop watching if you really thought the Canucks where going to land Weber and he was the only hope in your mind for the Canucks to win the Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 First of all, Webber is greedy...he would not be a true canuck. Seriously 100 mill no man is worth that... simply put if he wanted to play here he would be here but as I see it Greediness always shows its true colors... Weber has shown his and so did Schultz as far as I am concerned good teams are built on character and they dont have any... Next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Difficult to understand what you're saying here. If you don't believe that we have the ability to pay Web's contract I'm not going to argue it. You can believe what you want. Cap space is a different matter. Trade ballard and Lu to clear 9 mil in cap space which is enough to cover Web's reportedly 7.5 mil cap hit and pay a backup goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I haven't seen anybody claim that Web is the 'only' way we win a cup. But how else can we acquire a franchise D for nothing but draft picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 And the possiblity of not being able to sign Burrows and Edler with Webers cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Pretty easly to understand you are saying it easy for the canucks to have the cap space when they do not have it without trading and no team is going to take Luo's cap without the Canucks taking cap back. I'm saying it not easy, it may be easy for you to say it easy but it far from it. They still have to make major changes to fit his cap hit it not worth it when there are other holes to fill and with Weber here it makes that much harder to fill those holes. Weber is a dream but also a nightmare in team future depth. Everyone talks about " now is the time" but if weber gets hurt which is a huge possiblity with his ice time and style of play, than the canucks are in big trouble. I'm simple saying it not easy not that we cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Burrow will be looking for about 2 mil more than he makes now. Hardly a major issue. After we have Weber re-signing edler is not a necessity. garrison -weber hamhuis-bieksa alberts -tanev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 the four first round picks would be the equivalent of gance, jensen, schroeder and this years first rounder for weber and a monster 14 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 His cap hit would put Van in the situation of having to give up a Edler, booth, ballard, Burrows.. ect anyways. So no I not going to give up Elder mybe Burrows + 4 first rounds draft picks for Weber. Especial when Edler is not that far behind Weber in talent and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 You're assuming there is no cap coming back for Luo and ballard. I would trade bieksa( cap would come back) before letting Edler go, so once again Weber's cap hit would cause problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCANUCKAHOLICx Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 gillis how dare you!!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Comedy. Whatever Gillis does it the right decision in your mind. period. I do think you actually believe that statement though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Just think if Nashville does not match the Philly offer, they will have 8 first round draft picks in the next 4 years to rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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