elvis15 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Wow. Convincing yourself that Garrison's a better fit for the Canucks than Weber would be. I think I've officially seen everything on this board now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 WIth something like 26 million being paid out before they can even trade him they may not. It may even come down to how much money they think they'll lose if they go back to being bottom feeders rather than a solid team. Hard to say really what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnInconvenienceBrah Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It would have been a stupid move for Van. Philly has the young team to make the bold move Van does not. There would be no money left to get the top 6 forward that is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiun Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Does anyone even know if Weber is going to have a No-move clause in this contract if he signs it? If he doesn't have a NMC, he could be traded at any time, and might not be in Nashville OR Philly for the rest of his career... right? Or is there something I'm missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Weber is a huge need or was a huge need for Vancouver, we need that elite #1 D man with size and grit to push us over the top, you could find a way to fit him in as you'd have a top 4 set Hamhuis Weber Garrison Bieksa (OPEN) Tanev you could move Edler which would bring back a mega return, move Ballard for cap space, with moving those 2 players you could return a top 6 winger and a 3rd pairing left sided D man and have a top prospect and picks coming back as well. Moving Luongo will clear up another 5 million. This is a move Vancouver could of made and should've as a guy like Weber don't become available and this was the one shot we had at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 For the last part, I've mentioned this many times, but the Canucks did meet with Weber a week before he signed the offer sheet. They discussed their options and what they were willing to give, and at least one of two things resulted: 1. Weber didn't like what was offered. 2. What was offered would have likely been matched. Neither situation alone would be Gillis' fault, yet you're happy to suggest Weber would have signed for less if only we'd tried. If you can't accept other people putting out scenarios about why signing such a long term, big money deal could be bad, then you should at least try and keep up with the facts of the situation in that Gillis did meet with Weber to discuss an offer sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Because Columbus wasn't in the running for Justin Schultz. Nor was Dallas. Etc. Most people thought that Schultz wanted to end up in Vancouver, so he was probably Gillis' to lose (which happened). As for Weber, the tweets said that HE wanted to play in Vancouver, and that OWNERSHIP wanted him here. Again, this is a different situation than, say, the Washington Capitals missing out on him. HE wanted to play here, OWNERSHIP wanted him here, GILLIS didn't get it done, HOLMGREN did. See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 Ok, so with the pairing of Weber and Suter, which of the two would you say plays a more controlled and steady game? And, remembering which side both play on (Weber left and Suter right), which would be best suited to play in the one gap in our top 4 alongside Edler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDave Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Holy redundant tweets batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Please do a little thinking before making a stupid posts. Philly would not have made that offer without having a young and talented core of players reaching their prime. Van can not afford to give up 4 first round draft picks regardless of their placing, for the opinion that one good d man could bring a Cup. Not to mention Weber contract could hamper the re- signing of Edler and Burrows, which would make Van weaker not better. There are more reasons not to do a deal like that then there is for doing. You make it sound as though 4 first round picks is no big deal, but so much can be done with 4 first rounds picks, a franchise can be rebuilt with smart drafting or trading with 4 first round picks. I would love to have Weber, but not for the price Philly is paying. May be good for Philly, but would more than likely in Van case hamper them in too many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Canuck Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 wonder how long it will be before we see soccer type signings, where teams just sell players for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Gillis is letting the organization and fans down for sure, he needs to surround the sedins with toughness and more scoring, has not done that, he has tho, disgruntled our best prospect since bure and then traded him away without getting full value. Trading Luongo would have been way easier if we could sweeten the deal with hodgson, Gills wet the bed thinking he absolutely needed to trade Cody at the deadline because he may not do well in the playoffs or down the stretch- poor management. There is some serious group think going on between gillis and gillman and there little war room. OFFER SHEET VORACEK to 4.5 mill, with a NTC in the first year of a 2-3 yr contract. If philly gets weber, they cant offord this contract and because of the NTC they can't match and then trade him. Gillis is too stupid to figure this out though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnInconvenienceBrah Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 You make it sound so feasible. Did you attempt this in NHL 12 first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfan1968 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 lol what is funny so many critics on garrisons signing, I would rather have a younger guy with a big shot then have a guy made of glass with a big shot. Salo has been here for a long time its time to move on. The least you can do is give him the chance to prove himself. Weber on the other hand is overated and good for philly if they want to waste money on a guy like weber all hell to them I dont want another lengthy contract like loungo's we see how that has handcuffed the organization. You complain about how gillis gave up cody hogdsons but what is Burke and nonis doing in toronto absolutely nothing, that organization gave way to much away for kessel, talk about selling the farm. I will stick with Gillis he has made alot of smart choices, so let him do his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 lol what is funny so many critics on garrisons signing, I would rather have a younger guy with a big shot then have a guy made of glass with a big shot. Salo has been here for a long time its time to move on. The least you can do is give him the chance to prove himself. Weber on the other hand is overated and good for philly if they want to waste money on a guy like weber all hell to them I dont want another lengthy contract like loungo's we see how that has handcuffed the organization. You complain about how gillis gave up cody hogdsons but what is Burke and nonis doing in toronto absolutely nothing, that organization gave way to much away for kessel, talk about selling the farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuxFan09 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I laughed when I read those tweets. So dramatic. The media sensationalizes things to make a living. How am I expected to believe that not giving Weber a disgustingly large offer sheet is like a black mark on the current management's regime? Give me a break. The Canucks were one of the few teams that made Weber and his agent a presentation. Gillis tried. He's just not in the business of doling out gobs of money like Holmgren is. especially when he already has a very strong D core as is. Despite what you irrational people here may think, Philadelphia NEEDED Weber. The Canucks didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 What if Garrison becomes the next Gragnani and isn't quite the "PP Specialist" that he's heralded as? THIS IS A RISK THAT EXISTS WITH EVERY CONTRACT THAT'S SIGNED! How old are you? I'm not debating with a pre-teen, am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I laughed when I read those tweets. So dramatic. The media sensationalizes things to make a living. How am I expected to believe that not giving Weber a disgustingly large offer sheet is like a black mark on the current management's regime? Give me a break. The Canucks were one of the few teams that made Weber and his agent a presentation. Gillis tried. He's just not in the business of doling out gobs of money like Holmgren is. especially when he already has a very strong D core as is. Despite what you irrational people here may think, Philadelphia NEEDED Weber. The Canucks didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnInconvenienceBrah Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Gillis is letting the organization and fans down for sure, he needs to surround the sedins with toughness and more scoring, has not done that, he has tho, disgruntled our best prospect since bure and then traded him away without getting full value. Trading Luongo would have been way easier if we could sweeten the deal with hodgson, Gills wet the bed thinking he absolutely needed to trade Cody at the deadline because he may not do well in the playoffs or down the stretch- poor management. There is some serious group think going on between gillis and gillman and there little war room. OFFER SHEET VORACEK to 4.5 mill, with a NTC in the first year of a 2-3 yr contract. If philly gets weber, they cant offord this contract and because of the NTC they can't match and then trade him. Gillis is too stupid to figure this out though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyking Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 i dont think you understand the magnitude of a impact weber could have on the canucks....he isnt coming here through free agency anymore, its gonna haft to be through trade...what would rather give up...edler, tanev, booth etc... or 4 late first rounders.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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