What's your point?
This place would've gone CRAZY with praise for Gillis had it have been him that signed Weber. And this whole time, you blind homers have been saying oh, well, we never really wanted him anyway, Alex Edler is just as good.
And for all of the Ed Willes bashing, I'll still trust his takes infinitely more than yours. If Weber really did want to be here, and if ownership really wanted him here, and everyone had been targeting him for as long as Willes suggests, there are OTHER WAYS to bring him here. Trading is allowed in the NHL. Heck, Gillis thought nothing of giving up a king's ransom for Keith Ballard, why couldn't he have tried the same for Shea Weber? We don't know that he didn't, true, but we also don't know that he did. He may have just ASSUMED that Nashville isn't interested in trading him (even though they WERE trying to orchestrate a trade before Philly's offer sheet, per numerous reports). For all we know, the Preds could've been one of the teams that were very high on Cody Hodgson, and were SHOCKED when it was announced that he was traded to Buffalo.
The fact that some of you are calling this a "success", for Mike Gillis, is utterly laughable. Success would've been landing Shea Weber, either through sign or trade. Success is not conserving your energy by not sending out an offer sheet out of a thought that it'd be matched.
As I mentioned, those same people that went crazy praising Gillis for putting up a huge offer sheet would be the same people that went crazy blaming Gillis when they realized the result of Nashville matching meant our chances of getting him just went in the toilet.
"Oh, but at least he tried," isn't a good enough answer when the attempt would have been based on bad information. Do you know who else tried with bad info? Remember when Bush invaded Iraq? At least he tried, right? Certainly no downside to trying there...
You can trust whoever you want, that doesn't make them trustworthy. I trust Gillis more than I trust Willes, but that doesn't mean I blindly do so, or that I ignore everything Willes says thinking it all must be crap. If I operated that way, I would have ignored you long ago since I haven't heard many intelligent points from you, at least ones that operate in the real world based on facts we know.
Here are some facts: the players we gave up for Ballard were not likely to be in our roster that coming season.
- Grabner was behind the rest of our top 6 players and had done poorly in two training camps previous, one more and we would have lost him to waivers for nothing.
- Bernier was ok but hadn't panned out as the top 6 guy we wanted him to be.
- The low 1st rounder certainly wasn't likely to be an instant NHLer.
Neither player could stick with Florida and were put on waivers, and Howden hasn't cracked their lineup two years later and still isn't going to this year. If the Preds don't hang up when we offer anything similar to that for Weber, it's only because they want us to hear them laughing before they tell us to call back when Kesler, Edler or more are available.
As has been said already, no one is calling this a success for Gillis. He made the right call considering we know what the outcome was, but we still lost Weber because Philly had other ideas. Certainly no one in Philly is claiming success (that was such a successful offer sheet Holmgren!), and even in Nashville they might be happy they still have Weber, but I'd hardly think they're throwing a party since they're pinching pennies a little more now.
After all your points have been shut down, and Nashville matched just as Gillis predicted they would, you still are trying to claim success of your own - or at least be able to say we're wrong. You've resorted to trying completely different arguments to point out just how badly we've cocked up this whole thing, believing in Gillis and all. You're grasping at any lifeline you can think of to prove your original point, and your so busy doing so you haven't noticed we're standing up in the ankle deep water you thought was the ocean.
Well, enjoy drowning in that 3 inches of water if you feel so adamant that you need to go down with the sinking ship that is this thread.