shawn antoski Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I want Gillis to trade Ballard - we already have 4 above average dmen that are better then him - cap hit is too much for a bottom 6 pairing - He failed at his chance to prove himself as a top 4 on the canucks - coaching staff does not trust him - 4.2 million can be spent better elsewhere What teams are in need of a puck moving Top 4 Dman and have lots of cap space??? Carolina Colorado Dallas Detroit Deadmonton Nashville(if webber goes) _______________________________________________________________________________ Ballard traded for........ Carolina- (F) Anthony Stewart + (F)Patrick Dwyer Colorado -(D) Ryan OBryan + Draft pick Dallas-(F) Eric Nystrom Or (F) Vernon Fiddler Detroit -( F) Darren Helm Edmonton- (D) Theo Peckham + (F)Anton Lander Nashville-(F) Nick Spaling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magikal Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 You can get any player you want in the land of CDC if you add Raymond and a 1st to Mr. Ballard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 If we do trade him, I hope it be for the sole purpose of a cap-dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 /topic/332967-what-to-do-with-keith-ballard/">http://forum.canucks.com/topic/332967-what-to-do-with-keith-ballard/ And not sure how some of those trades help us. I would rather just keep Ballard I think he brings alot, I think he will have a good year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn antoski Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share Posted July 22, 2012 You can get any player you want in the land of CDC if you add Raymond and a 1st to Mr. Ballard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn antoski Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share Posted July 22, 2012 /topic/332967-what-to-do-with-keith-ballard/">http://forum.canucks...-keith-ballard/ And not sure how some of those trades help us. I would rather just keep Ballard I think he brings alot, I think he will have a good year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 that topic before is in canucks talk.... i posted in proposals to see what canucks fan want in terms of a trade not if we should keep him or not. You think he brings alot???? What has he done in the 2 years hes been here so far I know what you've lost since he got here....willi mitchell, grabner, and an awesome 1st round pick (howden,or that russian kid we could of had) and the trades I proposed all help with are team needs either its a 3rd line center or checking gritty players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn antoski Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share Posted July 22, 2012 Here's my opinion of him as I wrote it in the other thread. We weren't going to Re-sign Mitchell anyways, and I think Ballard is better, he has just had a tough time, he was our best defensemen in the playoffs, and I think that will continue. His season was fine, he played top 4 throughout the year and had a better year. Yes we lost Grabner, which I wasn't happy about, but whatever that stuff happens, I'm happy that we have Ballard and I'm excited to see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 yea I noticed you forgot to mention that he makes $4.2 million dollars a season Ballard isnt that bad of a Dman , hes just overpaid and a cancer to the cap forget about how good he is and what he might be able to do... NHL is a Business... and Ballard is bad for Business, he hurts the canucks cap....especially if the new CBA brings the cap down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Helm is a fan favourite, he will not be traded any time soon. Reaction of Detroit fans if they traded Helm for Ballard: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 heres what is probs gonna happen....teams are gonna get desperate (teams like det, dal, nyi, nsh, or wpg) then they will call gillis about ballard and mg is gonna sense the desperation and ask for a prospect and a 2nd pick. teams will laugh and hang up then we are back to square one when gillis should just do him solid and deal him out of town and create some cap space for himself det, nsh, or nyi are likely destinations for ballard if nsh lets weber walk then they are gonna be scrambling for nhl defensemen and they will be forced to trade for players like bouwmeester, ballard, komisarek, kaberle or hainsey....you could also throw det into that category as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn antoski Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share Posted July 22, 2012 And what exactly are we going to spend this cap money on? There's really nowhere else to spend it so whats the point of clearing the cap room? He probably makes us better than any other return, so keep him. Money doesn't make a difference once you hit the ice, and if Ballard helps (which he does), we can keep him under the cap and give our team the best chance to win (which we can). Then there is no reason to move him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai604 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 You can get any player you want in the land of CDC if you add Raymond and a 1st to Mr. Ballard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn antoski Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share Posted July 22, 2012 heres what is probs gonna happen....teams are gonna get desperate (teams like det, dal, nyi, nsh, or wpg) then they will call gillis about ballard and mg is gonna sense the desperation and ask for a prospect and a 2nd pick. teams will laugh and hang up then we are back to square one when gillis should just do him solid and deal him out of town and create some cap space for himself det, nsh, or nyi are likely destinations for ballard if nsh lets weber walk then they are gonna be scrambling for nhl defensemen and they will be forced to trade for players like bouwmeester, ballard, komisarek, kaberle or hainsey....you could also throw det into that category as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 cap space as of today with ballard FORWARDS Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m) Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m) Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m) Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / DEFENSEMEN Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m) Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Keith Ballard ($4.200m) Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) / GOALTENDERS Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) Cory Schneider ($4.000m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,203,333; BONUSES: $250,000 CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $996,667 Cap space without ballard CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER My Custom Lineup FORWARDS Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Alexandre Burrows ($2.000m) Mason Raymond ($2.275m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / David Booth ($4.250m) Chris Higgins ($1.900m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.000m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m) Manny Malhotra ($2.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.025m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m) Aaron Volpatti ($0.600m) / Andrew Ebbett ($0.600m) / DEFENSEMEN Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($3.250m) Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m) Chris Tanev ($0.900m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.225m) GOALTENDERS Roberto Luongo ($5.333m) Cory Schneider ($4.000m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,003,333; BONUSES: $250,000 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $5,196,667 I dont think you know much about business.You need to get a return on your investment, and ballard has not been able to produce, its time to cut your loses. It's good to have some cap space and flexability. You never know what players can become available(carter,richards,nash) and 5 million dollars is alot of money.... lol u can sign 3 Dman for the price of 1 that are pretty much on Ballards level Chris Campoli + Scott Hannan+ Kurtis Foster combined made about the same as ballard last season - and they all had more points per game then him Schreoder doesn't cap towards the cap. And I'm not sure if you know this, but there is a 10% increase on the cap in the offseason. So we are fine. Like I said I'm not sure exactly what we are going to get, there are no chance at getting any of the big name players avaliable, maybe Doan but that's it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn antoski Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share Posted July 22, 2012 Schreoder doesn't cap towards the cap. And I'm not sure if you know this, but there is a 10% increase on the cap in the offseason. So we are fine. Like I said I'm not sure exactly what we are going to get, there are no chance at getting any of the big name players avaliable, maybe Doan but that's it If something comes up where we need to clear cap space to make a deal that makes sense and makes us better then we can clear cap space. Personally I would clear Raymond's 2.275 before Ballard's if that would clear the space. And we also still have Luongo's 5.3 that will probably go at some point, and if we make any other trades there would be cap going the other way aswell. And I would take Ballard over all those players, PPG isn't everything, and doesn't prove who's better than who. Foster has the big PP shot, and slow foot speed. Campoli is an Offensive defensemen, who's biggest flaw is defensive ability and Hannan is a defensive vet but he is aging. Ballard's play wasn't reflected in his #'s, they have been poor since he got here but he has spent most of his time on the third pair and or dumba** coach put Rome out on the PP ahead of Ballard. Ballard has been good in other areas. Trading him now just so we have cap space that we aren't going to use makes no sense. A swell it creates a hole in our blueline. If there is something imminent that makes sense or is an upgrade where we need to clear cap space then we can look at it, but there is no reason to make a move otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 wow let me get this straight - you think ballard is better them willi -and you would rather have 1 dman in ballard rather then having 3 dman in Chris Campoli + Scott Hannan+ Kurtis Foster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn antoski Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share Posted July 22, 2012 forgot to mention that Ballard had the 2nd worst Corsi rating among canucks dmen ..... Rome was better then him lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn antoski Posted July 22, 2012 Author Share Posted July 22, 2012 I ment Ballard over any one of those players, I thought you would have understood that. And ya personally I would rather have Ballard, than Willie, he hasn't preformed the way I think he can but I really like what he can bring. I think people are expecting way too much from Ballard, he was fine this season, more consistent than alot of our D-man and unlike most of the rest of them he actually showed up and played great when it counted the most. If he can continue that play with Tanev then I would definetly take him over any of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 i think canuck fans have 4.2 million reasons to except more from ballard Ballard had the 2nd worst corsi rating the only dman he was better then was Alberts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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