[NEWS ONLY] Roberto Luongo Trade Thread (Rumours and Reports, with warnings issued to those not following this)
Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:28 PM
Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:28 AM
“@FarhanLaljiTSN: #Luongo says he has recently spoken to Gillis, but not specifically about a trade. Though he did say "there is more than one team involved"”
“@FarhanLaljiTSN: Assuming there is no trade, #Luongo says he'll fly to Van at the end of the week. Also said w/ the shortened season that "all bets are off"”
“@FarhanLaljiTSN: Alaire asked about #Luongo's ability to handle the Toronto market: "Vancouver is a pretty big market too" #canucks #tsn”
Edited by sampy, 07 January 2013 - 11:35 AM.
Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:56 AM
Probably nothing new for what Luongo's known to this point, but further confirmation of what he'd accept and what teams may be interested.
CORAL SPRINGS, FLA. - Roberto Luongo is still working out in Vancouver Canucks blue but is well aware he may have to change the shade soon.
The Canucks goaltender was on the ice here Monday morning and said he has given general manger Mike Gillis “the green light” to do whatever is best for the team.
That, of course, includes a trade and the Toronto Maple Leafs are known to be high on the list of suitors.
“I have a lot of respect for Toronto, Brian Burke and the Leafs,” Luongo said after a 90-minute workout with former Leafs goalie goal and long time mentor, Francois Allaire. “They are obviously part of the equation, there’s no denying that. But there’s a lot of things that can happen. I want to make sure I’m aware of the possibilities.”
Luongo certainly understands that he will be the subject of trade rumours as the rush for training camp approaches.
“I’m open to a lot of ideas right now,” Luongo said. “I don’t want to corner myself, especially since I might have to start the season in Vancouver or play the whole season there. Who knows.”
He said that in previous discussions he’s had with Gillis, he’s made it clear that he would accept a trade if the circumstances were right. The Canucks have certainly given an indication they are comfortable moving forward with Cory Schneider in net.
“It’s a process,” Luongo said. "I told Mike I gave him the green light to do whatever he needs to do that’s best for the team. Whatever that is, how much time that will be, I don’t know.
“I’m prepared right now to go up to Vancouver and start training camp. Unless Mike tells me otherwise, I’m ready to go, I’m excited. I miss being around the guys.”
Though he made it clear he’s aware there are other options, Luongo said he isn’t bothered about the prospect of playing in Toronto.
“We all know what expectations are in the Canadian markets,” Luongo said. “It’s not something that would be new to me. It’s something I can handle.”
If this team lets go of Sang he will burn this team next year.
Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:06 PM
Would not name the players of respect. Note the plural in "players."
Team 1040, Lou to TO is getting close.
Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:55 PM
NEW YORK -- On Sunday, I broke down the more obvious key components of the tentative agreement.
Now after getting our hands on more details of the agreement from a source, we bring you more:
RETAINING SALARY IN TRADES
This was Brian Burke’s baby, an idea he pushed for years at GM meetings. Under the old CBA, teams could not absorb any part of a salary from a player they were trading -- unlike baseball for example.
But in this new agreement, teams will be able to do that.
Here are the main parameters of the rule: a club cannot absorb more than 50 percent of the players’ annual cap hit/salary in any trade. Any NHL club can only have up to three contracts on their payroll where the contract was traded away under the retaining salary proviso. Also, only up to 15 percent of your upper limit cap amount can be used up by the money you have retained in trades.
For example, let’s say the Maple Leafs want to trade little-used blueliner Mike Komisarek and his $4.5-million cap hit ($3.5 million salary this year) to the New York Islanders (hypothetically). The Leafs could retain half the cap hit -- $2.25 million -- and half the salary -- $1.75 million -- in order to facilitate the deal. The Islanders would pay him the other half. This should facilitate more trades around the league, no question.
THE LUONGO RULE
This is another rule from the league aimed at hammering current back-diving deals (front-loaded, "cheat deals." However, this has changed from its original form when the NHL first proposed it in October.
In the original formula, if a player like Roberto Luongo was traded and retired before the end of his deal, the Canucks (the team who signed him to the contract) would assume his remaining $5.33-million cap early hit in retirement. The new rule in this tentative agreement is different. Now, for any contract in excess of six years, both teams involved in a trade on a contract like Luongo’s would be penalized if he retired before the end of his deal.
To wit: let’s say the Canucks trade Luongo soon. Luongo has played two years of his 12-year contract, the Canucks paying him $16.716 million in salary but only absorbing a $5.33 million cap hit each year. That’s a cap savings of $6.056 million over two years so far for Vancouver. Under this new rule, should the Canucks trade him now and he retires with three years left on his contract, Vancouver would be charged that $6.056 million in cap savings over the final three years left on his deal from 2019 to 2022. However, let’s say for argument’s sake Luongo gets traded to Toronto, the Maple Leafs also would be subject to cap penalties if Luongo retires before the end of his deal.
To wit, part 2: If Luongo were to play the next seven years of his deal in Toronto before retiring, the Leafs would be paying him $43.666 million in salary but only counting $37.31 million against the cap over those seven years, a cap savings of $6.356 million. So if Luongo retires with three years left on his deal (because his salary falls to $1.618 million in the 10th year and then $1 million in the last two years of the deal), the Leafs would get charged that $6.356 million on their cap spread evenly over the remaining three years of his deal.
And obviously, if players under these back-diving deals are never traded, but retire before the end of their deals (Marian Hossa in Chicago), their current teams get charged the cap savings spread evenly over the remaining years of the deal.
Teams will be allowed up to two buyouts over the next two summers -- 2013 and 2014 -- either one in each summer or two in one summer and none in the other. The new detail here that I found interesting is that any player bought out under these circumstances CANNOT be re-acquired by that same team during the upcoming season, not by waivers, not by trade and not by free-agent signing.
Obvious reason here: league doesn’t want teams to cheat the system and get a player back under a cheaper salary (since the buyout doesn’t count against the salary cap).
The pension plan shall be frozen at the termination of this CBA, whether that’s in eight years or 10 years. The NHL and the NHLPA will have to either agree to continue the pension under similar guidelines in the next CBA, or renegotiate new terms for it. No small detail there, given the acrimony over this pension negotiation, which was only resolved at the 11th hour Sunday morning.
UFA FREE AGENCY INTERVIEW PERIOD
Similar to the NBA, the NHL has instituted a free-agency interview period prior to the actual signing period. UFAs will be able to meet and interview with potential clubs from the day after the NHL draft until June 30, prior to the July 1 opening of free agency.
What’s interesting about this is that I don’t think you’ll have a Parise/Suter situation where you wait all the way to July 4 to sign with a team. Instead, their decisions will be made by June 30 for the most part, you would have to assume.
Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:04 PM
@JamesCybulski I'm told Brian Burke and the Leafs have said no thanks to the Kings regarding G Jonathan Bernier.
Curious if the price was too high, or if they felt he wasn't enough of a sure thing, or what. It could mean they feel they have a better chance at Luongo, or that they're willing to go with what they have unless a better deal comes along.
If this team lets go of Sang he will burn this team next year.
Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:17 PM
Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:44 PM
@alexfan590: Bob McCown on #Sportsnet: Burke didn't want to deal Kadri & Gardiner for Luongo. Felt it wasn't the right deal to make. #Leafs #MapleLeafs
Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:01 PM
Vancouver is pounding the pavement to find a backup goalie. phones around the league are ringing"
Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:42 PM
100% sure Canucks want Kadri + Gardiner for Luongo. BB was told by senior corporate mgmt he may have to do the deal but BB said he wouldn't do it to save his job because it was over payment.
note: Bob McCowan does not make up rumors. If he's saying this it's true.
Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:52 PM
@JamesCybulski I'm told Brian Burke and the Leafs have said no thanks to the Kings regarding G Jonathan Bernier
Maybe this is playing into it as well.
Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:09 PM
“@tsnjamesduthie: Despite some denials, the tweet earlier from @EnricoCiccone is accurate. The Flyers are interested in Roberto Luongo.”
Credit to -Vintage Canuck-
my mom wouldn't let me touch the laptop because I have to stand after I eat....kinda stupid
Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:09 PM
Despite some denials, tweet earlier from
@EnricoCiccone is accurate. Flyers are interested in Roberto Luongo.”
Just heard what everyone else heard: Flyers are now players in Luongo hunt.
Paul Holmgren going in on Luongo big time. Next year, Breezer gets bought out
Bring it. I want Coutier, or it's a no go
Edited by RunningWild, 09 January 2013 - 06:11 PM.
Posted 09 January 2013 - 07:59 PM
Don't believe Flyers public denials on being interested in Luongo. They're VERY interested
Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:09 PM
If unlikely Canucks get Grossman for Luongo, backup ask is for Schenn
Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:17 PM
@adater: If unlikely Canucks get Grossman for Luongo, backup ask is for Schenn
@jsaquella: @FlyersNation @adater Which one? Remember the Flyers have the whole set of Schenns
@adater: @FlyersNation @jsaquella Sorry. Brayden
Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:27 PM
Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:32 PM
@drosennhl: "@DNFlyers: Flyers GM Paul Holmgren on Luongo rumors: "That made me chuckle. Safe to say they aren't true. They have no basis or merit.""
Holmgren is a proven liar when it comes to trade denials. Just sayin'
Just ask Mike Richards and Jeff Carter
Also Post #82.
Edited by -Vintage Canuck-, 09 January 2013 - 08:32 PM.
Posted 09 January 2013 - 08:35 PM
Posted 10 January 2013 - 05:08 AM
@DarrenDreger: Canucks want quality return for Lou and can see him working well with Schneider throughout the shortened season if right deal isn't there.
Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:07 PM
Interesting Flyers in Luongo rumors now. Reliable source told me prior to Burke firing they would be 3rd team in a 3-way trade for Lou to TO
I believe that would only be the most logical thing for the Canucks and Leafs to be trading partners is via another team - and who better to jump in than Holmgren!
Luongo, Raymond, Read, draft picks (which Nonis will use at deadline to deal if necessary to get into playoffs)
Gardiner, Bozak, Couturier
Reimer, Edler, Holzer, and 1st
Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:21 PM
TORONTO SUN: Mike Zeisberger points out it was Nonis who, as Vancouver Canucks GM in 2006, acquired Luongo from the Florida Panthers. Zeisberger noted the mutual respect between the two, suggesting Nonis could forge ahead with plans to acquire Luongo in “ a deal that could very well involve Tyler Bozak, Nazem Kadri and a third element.”
OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch also believes Nonis will push to acquire Luongo, suggesting the return to the Canucks could be ”Nazem Kadri, Tyler Bozak and a second round pick or some variance of that.” Garrioch also reported Senators GM Bryan Murray has received some inquiries from rival clubs about goalie Robin Lehner and Ben Bishop, but he isn’t ready to move either one just yet. Garrioch believes one of those clubs could be the Edmonton Oilers.
NBC SPORTS PRO HOCKEY TALK: Joe Yerdon compiled rumors claiming the Philadelphia Flyers were getting into the bidding for Luongo. Flyers GM Paul Holmgren laughed off the speculation, but that’s done little to silence the rumors, which suggest the Flyers would buy out Ilya Bryzgalov this summer if they acquire Luongo this season.
Posted 10 January 2013 - 01:28 PM
@Michael_Traikos: #Leafs Nonis to Hockey Central on trading Gardiner or Rielly: "We would only move a young playuer for another young player." #Luongo
“@TEAM1040: Gilman: Luongo is in Vancouver and expectation is that he'll be at camp.”
Edited by Noheart, 10 January 2013 - 01:51 PM.
Posted 11 January 2013 - 04:20 PM
Lou: "I'm just going to show up, have fun, enjoy the game and whatever happens happens. I'm not going to stress myself out."
NOOO! Luongo can wait all season for trade. "Whether a couple of days, week, 2 weeks or the end of the season, I'm totally fine."
Lou approaching year like 2010 Olympics, when he took over No. 1 and won gold. "Last time, things worked out pretty well for me."
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