Edited by Vancouver Canucks 30, 16 March 2013 - 03:21 AM.
[NEWS ONLY] Roberto Luongo Trade Thread (Rumours and Reports, with warnings issued to those not following this)
Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:29 AM
Edited by Vancouver Canucks 30, 16 March 2013 - 03:27 AM.
Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:54 AM
In May, Brian Burke first approached Vancouver GM Mike Gillis and told him the Leafs wanted Roberto Luongo.
It began a dialogue which should have culminated with a trade at the June draft and would have save for the oh-so tiny issue of Luongo’s NTC. He wasn’t ready to go to Toronto then.
You can’t help but wonder how things would be different if he had been.
After pushing for Jake Gardiner, the Canucks wanted Nazem Kadri. Give them this, they got that one right.
But Kadri isn’t happening now, and people are wondering if a Luongo deal can happen before the trade deadline.
Of course it can.
Most believe that means Gillis has to come down on his asking price. Fair enough. But the Canucks have been asking for a centre on an expiring contract and a good prospect. Not sure how they can ask for much less.
Maybe instead of a B+ prospect, they can ask for a B- prospect? A C+ prospect? An F?
The Luongo trade buzz is starting to pick up again as the calendar barrels toward April 3. NHL executives outside of Vancouver believe the Canucks can still pull this deal off.
The Leafs, of course, will be interested right to the end. They’ll probably still take Luongo, but have always been looking for a sweetheart deal.
The most interesting player in this poker game which is coming up on 11 months may be the Washington Capitals.
The Capitals have a veteran team that really should be competing now. But they’re out of the Eastern Conference playoffs and need to start thinking about next year.
They have a young goalie who may be a star one day in Braden Holtby. But he’s not that now.
Ideally, the 23-year-old would be nurtured along during the next 2-3 years under the wing of some experienced veteran. Hey, like Luongo, much like Cory Schneider’s, or Jonathan Bernier’s development.
The sticking point for the Capitals in any Luongo plan promises to be the 10 years left on the contract. Is that all?
But otherwise, it has at least a chance to work, especially when you consider Washington has the best centre who could be available before the deadline in Mike Ribeiro. He is set to be a UFA in July and would make much more sense than Marian Gaborik or Jarome Iginla.
The Capitals will want a lot for the 33-year-old, even if he’s on an expiring contract. Not sure if “a lot” to them is Luongo, though. But the Canucks would be hard pressed to find a player who could impact their team more.
Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:17 PM
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:44 PM
Roberto Luongo: Should Canucks keep or move him?
Wednesday, 03.20.2013 / 7:20 PM / 2013 Trade Deadline
By Adam Kimelman - NHL.com Deputy Managing Editor
When Roberto Luongo signed a 12-year contract extension in September 2009, it was assumed he would spend the remainder of his career as the unquestioned starting goaltender for the Vancouver Canucks.
However, the questions started not long after the ink was dry and got the loudest when Luongo was struggling during the 2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs and lost his starting job to Cory Schneider.
Luongo has done well splitting time with Schneider this season, but is it a situation that's good to continue?
NHL.com examines the pros and cons to the Canucks making Luongo available to move prior to the April 3, 2013 NHL Trade Deadline:
Statistics: 15 games, 7-4-3, 2.47 goals-against average, .904 save percentage, 2 shutouts
Salary status: After this season, Luongo has nine seasons left on his contract, with an annual salary-cap hit of just over $5.33 million.
Keep him: Rather than allow the goaltending issue to become a distraction, Luongo and Schneider have continued to be a quality tandem and have the Canucks in the running for the Northwest Division title. Luongo has shown incredible professionalism dating to last season, when he lost his starting job in the playoffs. Despite that setback, he hasn't let any off-ice issues affect his on-ice play, showing his mental toughness and proving to be a positive locker-room presence. Also, having a quality backup will help in the Canucks' push for the playoffs, as his ability to go into any game situation allows them to keep Schneider fresh for the postseason.
Move him: With all the Luongo trade talk since the 2012 playoffs, it's actually remarkable he hasn't been moved. Canucks general manager Mike Gillis has set the bar high in any trade discussions, but could start to reassess his demands as April 3 draws closer. The Toronto Maple Leafs and Washington Capitals have been rumored to have interest in Luongo, but not for what Gillis reportedly is requesting in return. If he lowers his asking price, a deal to send Luongo out could happen at any time.
Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:04 PM
Dan Tencer via twitter: When asked if he was close to trading Roberto Luongo prior to the season, Gillis said “Yeah. Yeah, we were.”
Josh Rimer via twitter: Bill Watters on NiteCap said he still believes the Maple Leafs will trade for Roberto Luongo. Watters added that he can see Tyler Bozak for Luongo.
Darren Dreger on TSN Radio: ”Leafs haven’t spoken to Vancouver in a long time about Luongo or anyone else.”
James Duthie: Don't the Canucks have to get something for Roberto Luongo at some point soon?
Pierre LeBrun: I don't think they sense they have to clean their house right now. They're still trying to win a Stanley Cup this year. They've got the off-season, they feel they've got time to clean that up. And that may include Roberto Luongo if they can't find a taker. Now, I'm told that there are a number of teams that have checked in with Vancouver recently and not just to check on Luongo but on Cory Schneider, the younger cheaper goalie. Now, I think it's highly unlikely to this point that they would move Schneider. The point is still to move Luongo, I just don't think they'll be able to do it before April 3.
Pierre LeBrun of ESPN
Teams have been asking the Canucks about Roberto Luongo the last little bit, but they’ve also been asking about Cory Schneider. It’s unlikely they’d move Schneider even though they could get more for him. Sounding like any trade will have to wait until the offseason.
Edited by Vancouver Canucks 30, 28 March 2013 - 03:09 AM.
Posted 27 March 2013 - 03:18 PM
Edited by elvis15, 27 March 2013 - 03:18 PM.
Tanev is going to EDM. I can put my life savings down on it
Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:24 AM
Luongo cool about impending trade:
Schneider has won job in Vancouver
BY ELLIOTT PAP, VANCOUVER SUN MARCH 27, 2013
VANCOUVER — When the Vancouver Canucks coaching staff opted Wednesday to turn a scheduled full team practice into a six-man optional, Roberto Luongo was among the six on the ice at UBC.
It never used to be this way. Luongo was always the main man. He was always the goalie playing every night and he was always the goalie resting while his backup took shots from the healthy scratches and fourth-liners.
But there he was Wednesday as Tom Sestito, Andrew Gordon, Steve Pinizzotto, Zack Kassian and Jordan Schroeder peppered him with pucks under the direction of goalie coach Rollie Melanson.
Luongo has worn a ballcap and watched Cory Schneider start five straight games, all wins. He will sit again Thursday when the Canucks entertain the Colorado Avalanche at Rogers Arena (7 p.m., Sportsnet Pacific, Team 1040) but he will not be sitting anxiously by his phone awaiting word on a possible trade out of Vancouver.
Make no mistake. Luongo is in play. He has been in play since last summer when Schneider supplanted him as the No. 1 netminder. Even Luongo himself declared it was time to move on. So far, general manager Mike Gillis has not pulled the trigger. The NHL trade deadline is next Wednesday at noon Pacific time and, if Gillis can't move Luongo, Bobby Lou could start the playoffs as Schneider's backup and remain there all spring.
"Yeah, those are all the things I thought about before the season started," Luongo told a large scrum of reporters. "I was fully aware of all the scenarios, especially being here past the deadline, or whatnot. It's stuff that I had a lot of time to think about during the lockout and I'm fully prepared for. Whatever happens, I'll accept and be a good teammate.
"I'm trying to be as positive as I can and work hard and make sure that I'm ready. Things change quickly in the league. It's not for me to be in a bad spot in my mind if something were to happen and I have to play. I'm in the NHL and I'm happy and, hopefully, it all works out for the best and we have a good Cup run here."
Canucks assistant coach Rick Bowness, who handled media duties Wednesday, lauded Luongo for his professionalism.
"I give Roberto an awful lot of credit for the way he's handled a very tough situation for him," stated Bowness. "He is a very proud man. He is an elite goaltender and this is very, very difficult on him — and you wouldn't know it. He won't allow it to affect the locker room. He won't allow it to affect his preparation and his work habits. That's just not the type of man he is. He is an excellent teammate and he will never let his status affect this locker room."
Luongo, now in his seventh season with the Canucks, had his opportunity earlier this month to seize the net but was unable to do so.
After an outstanding 2-1 shootout victory in Columbus on March 12, he allowed 12 goals on 84 shots in his next three starts (.857 save percentage) and the coaches went back to Schneider. The redhead from Marblehead, Mass., responded with the aforementioned five consecutive victories, two by shutout. Luongo has no trouble assessing the situation.
"We've all seen how Schneids is playing right now so there is absolutely no reason they would take him out," Luongo commented. "I mean, he's playing unreal and he's probably the best goalie in the league right now. So, obviously, you just have to roll with the hot hand and that's totally understandable."
Luongo is 7-4-3 this season with a 2.47 goals against average and .904 save rate, the latter stat ranking him 32nd in the league prior to Wednesday's action. Those numbers plus his onerous contract — nine years and more than $40 million remaining — appear to make him a difficult sell.
"I'm obviously not exactly sure what's going to happen but, that being said, I'm just going to just keep doing what I'm doing and work hard and make sure I'm ready to go," he said. "I'm trying not to think about it too much and just see where it goes."
Asked about a best-case scenario for himself, Luongo replied: "I don't have a best-case scenario. I just try to do my best every day. Sometimes you don't have things in your control and there is no use worrying about that stuff and letting it creep into your mind and affecting you."
Thursday's date with the Avalanche is the Canucks' last home game before the deadline. If Luongo is moved, it could be his last time wearing the Vancouver home blues. He claimed that had not even entered his mind.
"I don't think about it that way at all," he said. "I haven't heard anything from Mike so there is no reason to think that."
Edited by Vancouver Canucks 30, 29 March 2013 - 01:31 AM.
Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:31 AM
Canucks GM Mike Gillis left with just one card to play:
Vancouver needs to bulk up at centre — and Roberto Luongo is the only ace up general manager’s sleeve
BY IAIN MACINTYRE, VANCOUVER SUN COLUMNIST MARCH 27, 2013
VANCOUVER — If this were like his old job and Mike Gillis still worked on commission, the Vancouver Canucks' general manager would be broke.
It has been nearly a year since the National Hockey Club made the decision to install Cory Schneider as its starting goalie, profoundly changing the Canuck landscape. For most of the time since then, Gillis has been trying to sell a Roberto Luongo trade.
But with next Wednesday's NHL trade deadline looming, Gillis, hugely successful at making deals as a player agent, has been unable to find anyone to meet the Canucks' price for Luongo. And that is hurting the team.
With a cobbled lineup that includes minor-league callups Jordan Schroeder and Andrew Ebbett, as well as defenceman Keith Ballard playing left wing – on the third line! – the Canucks have somehow managed to win five straight games. They've built an eight-point playoff cushion and tilted their trajectory so that they'd be on pace for a 104-point season over 82 games.
Yes, it's a good thing Schneider has been brilliant lately and that Gillis has as much conviction in coach Alain Vigneault as he has in his ability to fetch a significant return for Luongo.
But as configured, the Canucks still look two centres short of being able to go anywhere when the Stanley Cup playoffs start in May.
Former Selke Trophy winner Ryan Kesler, better than anyone the Canucks will acquire before the deadline, is expected to start skating in the next week or two after missing the last month with a broken foot.
That still leaves the Canucks one proven centre short.
The Canucks did not replace third-line centre Samuel Pahlsson last summer and didn't plan terribly well for the absence of veteran faceoff king Manny Malhotra, removed by Gillis from the lineup six weeks ago over genuine concern for the player's safety when it became apparent vision loss from a 2011 injury was permanent.
So, no Kesler, no Malhotra and no return so far for Luongo, one of the few bargaining chips the Canucks can afford to spend.
"The loss of those two players has been a significant blow to our lineup," assistant GM Laurence Gilman, who spoke Wednesday on behalf of management, conceded. "Successful teams are built down the middle – strong at centre, strong on defence, strong goaltending – and that's how our team was constructed. To the extent there is a hole in our lineup now, it's at centre.
"I'm proud of how our team has battled since Ryan was injured and the effort we're getting from Jordan Schroeder and Andrew Ebbett. But if we can add another experienced centre, we'll feel even better about our team."
After shoulder and wrist surgeries last summer to Kesler, the Canucks knew they'd start the season without their formidable two-way centre. It was impossible to plan for Kesler breaking his foot upon his return.
But Gillis said when explaining the bold decision to shut down Malhotra that the club knew after last season this was a possibility. Yet when Kesler followed Malhotra out of the lineup, the Canucks' only options at centre between first-liner Henrik Sedin and fourth-liner Max Lapierre were Ebbett and Schroeder and short-lived experiments with career wingers Chris Higgins and Alex Burrows.
"We re-signed Ebbett [during the summer] to have him available and felt, as an organization, that we had to leave room for Jordan Schroeder to develop," Gilman explained. "No team can just replace a player like Ryan Kesler, one of the best second-line centres in the league, a former Selke Trophy winner who plays in every situation for us."
Ebbett is a good-guy journeyman, willing to accept any role but unlikely to hold a key one for long. And Schroeder, although far better in his second stint with the Canucks this season than his first, is still just a 22-year-old rookie and at five-foot-eight doesn't fit anyone's profile as a third-line centre. Especially in the playoffs, where big, brawny teams have won the last three Stanley Cups.
Even with Kesler, the Canucks don't have enough size and experience down the middle, which is why Vancouver is trying to land another centre.
This brings us back to Luongo. Years of suspect drafting and trading picks, by this regime and the one that preceded it, has left the Canucks without a bankroll of prospects from which to purchase help at the deadline.
They can't afford to trade Nicklas Jensen or Brendan Gaunce or Frank Corrado or this year's first-round pick. Who they can afford to lose is Luongo.
Despite the failure of the trade mission so far, Gilman gave no indication the club is willing to lower its asking price for the soon-to-be 34-year-old goalie with nine years and $41.6 million US remaining on his contract after this season.
The Canucks and Toronto Maple Leafs were willing trade partners in June, but Luongo reportedly refused then to waive his no-trade clause for anyone but the Florida Panthers.
After the Canucks were waltzed in circles by Luongo's first choice, Vancouver and Toronto tried again to make a deal before and after the autumn lockout. But negotiations didn't get past a framework that included Leafs' centre Tyler Bozak and a draft pick because Toronto refused to surrender prospect Nazem Kadri and Vancouver didn't like the other prospects they were offered.
Gilman insisted the Canucks aren't being stubborn or unreasonable in their valuation of Luongo.
Bozak is now considered one of the prime rental players – those on an expiring contract – who could be traded before noon Wednesday.
"Has there been a goaltender traded this season?" Gilman argued. "It's not like we're clinging to our goalies while other teams are acquiring them.
"Goaltending is a bellwether position in the National Hockey League. You can't win without it. It's like pitching in baseball. In the [trade] discussions we're having with other teams, they're asking about our goaltenders."
The Canucks aren't trading Schneider. And if they don't trade Luongo, they'll be in the same position next summer as they were last summer, except their asset is a year older and the team will be facing a payroll crunch as the salary cap drops to $64.3 million for 2013-14.
"From an efficiency standpoint, to have $9.33 million invested in two goaltenders when only one of them can play is clearly not the most efficient use of resources," Gilman said. "That being said ... Roberto is still in the prime of his career and can stabilize a NHL team for years to come. That's an asset that's extremely hard to come by. It would be foolish for us to trade Roberto for a rental player."
Edited by Vancouver Canucks 30, 29 March 2013 - 01:29 AM.
Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:31 AM
Luongo’s Conduct is That of a Consummate Pro
By Ed Willes, The Province March 27, 2013
Roberto Luongo stood in front of the microphones and TV cameras on Wednesday and answered the same questions he’s been asked since Goalie Confidential started its long run in Vancouver.
The line of interrogation was largely the same. The answers? They were the same, too.
True, with the NHL trade deadline now just six days away, the context changed. But if you were expecting to hear anything new from the Canucks’ goalie, you were in the wrong place.
And that’s kind of the point. Luongo stood in there and answered everything thrown his way just as he’s done since the lockout ended.
It wasn’t especially revealing. It certainly wasn’t dramatic. But it was sincere and it was delivered in an honest, direct manner which, in the end, is all you can ask of the man.
Luongo, one of the three or four best goalies of his generation, has been placed in an impossible situation, but he’s managed to make it all seem normal.
His awkward job share with Cory Schneider had the potential to get rip a hole in the Canucks’ locker-room, but it hasn’t. And if that isn’t fully appreciated by the masses, the Canucks understand its significance.
They understand it to the very marrow of their being.
“Listen, I have the utmost respect for Roberto as a man and a professional,” said Canucks associate coach Rick Bowness, who came into the game about the time they took the rover out.
“There isn’t a person you can think of who could have handled it any better than Roberto has handled it.
“He is a very proud man. He is a great goalie and this is very difficult on him. But you wouldn’t know it. He won’t allow it to effect to the locker-room. He won’t allow it to effect his preparation and his work habits.”
Bowness, who’s been the head coach of five different NHL teams going back to the late ‘80s in Winnipeg, was asked if he’s seen comparable situations that went sideways; that divided a team.
“Oh yeah,” he said. “There ‘s a lot more of that than what you’re seeing here.”
In Macbeth, Shakespeare wrote of a nobleman who faced execution: "Nothing in his life became him like the leaving it”, and there’s something of Luongo in those words. We may be seeing the final chapter of his story in Vancouver. We may not. But watching him on Wednesday; watching him go through the same tiresome routine in a composed, professional manner revealed so much about the man and his grace in a trying circumstance.
He was asked how he’d feel about serving as Schneider’s backup through the playoffs.
“Those are all the things I thought about before the season started,” Luongo said. “I was fully aware of all the scenarios and potentially being here past the deadline. Whatever happens, I’ll accept it and be a good team teammate.”
He was asked if he’s happy with the current situation.
“Happy?” he answered. “I’m trying to be as positive as I can and work hard and make sure I’m ready. Things change quickly. It’s not for me to be in a bad place if something were to happen and I have to play.”
He was asked how many team are now on his trade list.
“37,” he said with a smile.
O.K., we know there’s a lot of people who think, ‘For $5.3 million a year, I could say the right things too.” But this is about so much more than the money. As Bowness suggested, Luongo has a status in the game and that status allows him a certain latitude within the team’s structure.
But Luongo has never asked for special treatment. Instead, he puts in his work, answers the questions and makes jokes at his own expense.
Jarome Iginla, who’s in a similar situation to Luongo, declined to face the media before Tuesday’s game in Chicago and touched off a minor spitstorm. Luongo was out there on a Wednesday after an optional skate, one of about a half-dozen Canucks made available.
Maybe that should be the norm. But it isn’t.
He was asked in a private moment if he’s aware he’s won over a lot of people with the way he’s conducted himself.
“In the last few years, I always haven’t been happy with the way I handled some situations,” he said. “I thought this time I’m going to go about my business the right way. Maybe people are seeing it more because I’m under a bit of a microscope.”
Maybe. And maybe they like what they see.
Edited by Vancouver Canucks 30, 29 March 2013 - 01:21 AM.
Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:33 PM
Leafs, Canucks talking Luongo again: Cox http://bit.ly/11UIFIo
I know. It's Cox. He's a word I can't use on this site. However, Dregers been saying Gillis/Nonis haven't talked about Luongo in 'months'. So, according to Cox- talks are back on.
Posted 29 March 2013 - 12:19 AM
If it all Stays Status Quo, you Haven't Seen the Last of Luongo in Vancouver
March 28, 2013
If a draft pick and a low-rent prospect is all the Canucks are going to be offered for Roberto Luongo, they are not likely trading him, meaning, of course, he will play again in a Canucks uniform.
Or rot on the bench.
Just days from the deadline, the Canucks seem to still believe they can get a player to help them immediately plus a piece, or even two, for the future.
It sure looks like wishful thinking this year anyway.
What they could be banking on is an offseason which is set to be the summer of the goalie. Call it The Great Goalie Scramble.
Yes, it means there could be more teams looking for a goalie, and that's alluring to the Canucks.
But, keep in mind, it's mostly because of the big number of goalies who could be available.
Consider the free agents could include Mike Smith, Jimmy Howard, and Niklas Backstrom.
The trade market could include Ryan Miller, Jonathan Bernier, Jaro Halak and either Ben Bishop or Craig Anderson.
The wild cards promise to be Tim Thomas and Ilya Bryzgalov, if the Flyers buy him out.
That's some list right there, and it would leave teams in need of a goalie, but it would also give those teams a lot of options.
The salary cap is declining which the Canucks are willing to bet will actually make Luongo's deal more palatable because of his relatively low cap hit of $5.3 million.
But if he is still on the Vancouver roster after July 5, it could impact plans the Canucks have in free agency. And if you get to August and he's not traded, what then?
Age is becoming an issue. Luongo is about to turn 34 and the save percentage leaders are not loaded with old timers. Just one in the top 20 in save percentage is older.
There's no doubt, it's frustrating for Luongo. He hasn't played in 10 days and has lost four of his previous six starts. If he's not going to be traded, he's going to want to play at some point down the stretch. And he would play. But for how long?
Cory Schneider is thriving and believes it's because of playing time.
"When I play, I feel like a No. 1," Schneider said.
"I'm not changing things because I'm playing more. I've always had the mentality I can be a No. 1.
"You see guys around the league who play 70 games a year. I'd like to be one of those guys. I'd like to be dependable and healthy. I want to be a guy you can depend on to be there every night.
"I feel the coaching staff will know (when to sit me). The coaching staff or Rollie (Melanson) will see something and say 'Hey, he needs a break.'
"Rollie is always asking me how I feel. But I like playing. So any time they tell me to get in the net, I'm getting in the net, regardless of how I feel.
"A lot of (how I'm playing) is seeing the action. It's being in the game. Sometimes, when you're playing a lot you don't think about it. Sometimes when you're not playing a lot, you over-think it."
Edited by Vancouver Canucks 30, 29 March 2013 - 01:19 AM.
Posted 29 March 2013 - 02:16 PM
To sum up the rumor/facts ...
Toronto offers Canucks a 2nd, & a "C" prospect for Luongo. Gillis wants Bozak, "B" prospect & a pick. If Nonis won't give up more than that, Gillis feels there'll be a big market for goalies this Summer, as much as 9 teams.
Posted 29 March 2013 - 02:32 PM
#Luongo re Leaf talk, says he hasn't spoken to Gillis about anything in quite some time.
#Luongo compares his situation to Iginla's. Knows he won't be getting blindsided, "Its been a long time coming" #canucks
Tanev is going to EDM. I can put my life savings down on it
Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:23 AM
ONLY news. Official warnings to anyone not following that theme....
Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:31 PM
Canucks, Leafs play let’s make a deal — or not
By ED WILLES, The Province March 30, 2013
On the most basic level, the melodrama over Roberto Luongo and the trade that dare not speak its name comes down to a simple matter.
The Vancouver Canucks have to fill their gaping hole at center ice and the most efficient way to do that is to trade their $5.3-million backup goalie to the Toronto Maple Leafs. That means Tyler Bozak, who’s a pretty hot commodity for someone who’s never produced more than 47 points in an NHL season, has to be part of the deal. If he isn’t, there’s no deal with Toronto.
That, at least, is the simple explanation but, as you might be aware, this situation is about as simple as family day at a bigamists’ colony. There are so many layers to this drama, so much intrigue and behind-the-scenes manoeuvring, that it’s become appointment viewing around the NHL. Maybe it will reach a conclusion at Wednesday’s trade deadline and maybe it won’t.
But either way, there’s a big part of you that wants it to go on forever, because you can’t pay for this kind of entertainment.
By now, the 3,456 pundits and opinion-makers who are following this story agree on the basic elements of the trade discussions.
The Maple Leafs and their general manager Dave Nonis would like to acquire Luongo and, when you look at their goaltending, that isn’t exactly a blinding revelation.
Before Saturday night’s game, the Leafs had worked their way to sixth in the Eastern Conference, seven points ahead of ninth, with what could charitably be described as average ’keeping. The Leafs’ No. 1, James Reimer, was 26th in the league in goals-against average and 22nd in save percentage. His partner, Ben Scrivens, sat 25th and 18th in the same categories.
Luongo, at the very least, would solidify the Leafs’ keeping for the next three to five seasons and improve their chances in this season’s playoffs. That, at least, is what the Canucks are trying to sell to Nonis.
He just doesn’t seem to be buying it.
The Leafs’ GM is unconvinced there’s a market for Luongo that stretches beyond the GTA. As such, he hasn’t felt compelled to offer Bozak, who becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer, or someone comparable, to make the deal.
That, in Nonis’s mind, leaves him and Canucks GM Mike Gillis as the only two players at the table.
Now, if you’re familiar with the history of the two men, that alone is pretty juicy. Gillis, of course, succeeded Nonis as the Canucks’ GM and Nonis has issues with the way that occurred. That doesn’t mean he’d hold up this deal to stick it to Gillis. But let’s just say the relationship between the two GMs is part of this story.
Gillis, for his part, has to come out of the deadline with some help for his team. The Canucks’ current six-game winning streak has eased the pressure to some degree, but Gillis has to offer something in the way of help to his beleaguered troops. The organization can’t expect Cory Schneider to play like Superman every night and the team to keep grinding out 2-1 wins when they’re missing so many pieces. The plain fact is, after the Sedins and Alex Burrows, the Canucks’ forward lines resemble an expansion team’s more than a playoff team’s, and Gillis owes it to his core players to bring in reinforcements.
So, is Bozak the answer? Well, he never has been. But you put him on a Canucks team with Ryan Kesler and, all of a sudden, things change. You’ve got a speed line with something like Kesler, Jannik Hansen and Mason Raymond. You’ve got a strong two-way line with something like Bozak, Zack Kassian and Chris Higgins. You’ve still got the twins and Burrows. You’ve also got the makings of a team that could do some damage in the playoffs.
That’s why Gillis has to come out of this deadline with something. Nonis, for his part, has to ask himself what Luongo could provide the Leafs for the next four seasons versus what Bozak could provide the Leafs for the next 12 games and the playoffs.
The answer, it seems, is pretty easy. But there’s nothing easy about any of this.
Pierre LeBrun ESPN
Rumblings: Leafs, Canucks renew Luongo talks
Well you knew this story would get revisited before Wednesday’s trade deadline.
The Toronto Maple Leafs and Vancouver Canucks have renewed trade talks on Roberto Luongo.
My TSN colleague Darren Dreger reported as much Friday; Damien Cox of the Toronto Star also had a story about it in Friday’s edition.
I gathered some of my own intel on Friday and here’s what I came up with:
Last week in Phoenix when the Canucks were in town there, Vancouver assistant GM Laurence Gilman met with his old pal and mentor Cliff Fletcher, senior adviser with the Leafs. Those two guys talk all the time but, on this occasion, Fletcher revisited the Luongo dialogue with Gilman.
That conversation between Gilman and Fletcher sparked Vancouver GM Mike Gillis to follow up and phone Toronto GM Dave Nonis this past week to further explore those talks.
This in itself is a story because Gillis and Nonis, I don’t believe, have ever spoken to each other regarding any trade, as some ill will existed after the former replaced the latter as GM in Vancouver. Usually it’s been other members of each front office communicating on Luongo, not Gillis and Nonis straight on. So that’s perhaps an important shift in this story.
Gillis and Nonis spoke this week and, while there’s no deal that’s imminent and there may never be a deal, it certainly appears there’s groundwork built here for the two teams to keep tabs on this until Wednesday.
Nonis has always kept interest in Luongo, whom he traded for in Vancouver when he was GM, but talks went silent between both clubs for quite a while until last week.
It was predictable both clubs would eventually circle back to each other, the Leafs always being the most obvious fit for Luongo.
One source told ESPN.com Friday that two other NHL teams have also called on Luongo over the past week. Though how serious that interest is remains difficult to ascertain.
As we touched on earlier this week, Calgary’s Miikka Kiprusoff is also of interest to the Leafs. What’s unclear is whether the Flames netminder would want a trade or not. The Flames need to figure that out with him before Wednesday. If "Kipper" is up for it, I think the Leafs would explore that. He’s got only one year left on his deal compared to Luongo’s monster contract which runs through 2021-22.
Still, if the Canucks are willing to lower the price tag somewhat on Luongo, it could make for an interesting decision for the Leafs.
Luongo, 33, remains a topflight netminder and should be for another four or five years.
The Canucks, of course, continue the search for a No. 3 center. Whether they can find that from the Leafs or use whatever they get from Toronto in a possible Luongo deal to get that No. 3 center, remains to be seen.
MAPLE LEAFS COULD ADD VETERAN IN NET UNDER RIGHT CIRCUMSTANCES
Bob McKenzie TSN
With each passing day, the Toronto Maple Leafs are looking more and more like a playoff team, and with each passing hour towards Wednesday's 3pm et/Noon pt trade deadline, the Leafs look like a team that would, under the right circumstances, like to add a veteran goaltender with playoff experience.
The key phrase there is "under the right circumstances."
Toronto general manager Dave Nonis' preference likely leans more towards Calgary's Miikka Kiprusoff than Vancouver's Roberto Luongo, though there have been recent discussions on both.
The Leafs are trying to find out from Calgary whether Kiprusoff leaving the Flames is a realistic scenario. His situation is well documented. He and his wife had recently had a baby and the last thing the veteran Finn wants to do is to pick up stakes and be a trade deadline mercenary for the balance of this season, especially if, as the story goes, he may be retiring at season's end.
There were reports Kiprusoff told the Flames he'll refuse to report if traded but while he's not keen on moving, Kiprusoff's agent simply told Calgary that they should consult with the goalie before making a deal and treat it on a case-by-case basis.
If he's willing to move, and that's what Toronto is currently waiting to find out, Kiprusoff could probably be had for a draft pick. Nonis might favour that price over the live body or bodies that would be required to get Luongo, who has nine years and more than $40 million owing on his contract. But if Kiprusoff isn't moving, then Luongo is being looked at.
The Canucks feel there's a Luongo deal to be made with Toronto. Toronto and Vancouver lieutenants Cliff Fletcher and Laurence Gilman met last week in Phoenix and had Luongo dialogue, leading Canuck GM Mike Gillis, for the first time, to talk directly to Leaf GM Nonis in the last few days.
Vancouver's asking price hasn't really dropped all that dramatically. Of course it no longer includes the emerging Nazem Kadri as it did in the summer, but the Canucks are still looking for a centre, Tyler Bozak obviously, a prospect now not named Kadri and a pick.
The Leafs are in the process of deciding what they need more - a vet goalie like Luongo or to hold onto Bozak, even though he's unrestricted at the end of the year and likely asking for a lot more money than Toronto is willing to pay.
This recent Toronto-Vancouver dialogue certainly suggests there's at least some chance Luongo could be moved before the deadline but there are no guarantees either, as the Kiprusoff option and/or holding onto Bozak could still win out for the Leafs.
But there's no denying that, under the right circumstances, the Leafs are looking at adding a veteran presence in net to work alongside James Reimer.
The Canucks have also shown interest in Leafs wingers Matt Frattin and Nikolai Kulemin, and defensemen Jake Gardiner, Carl Gunnarsson and Cody Franson, but none of these players helps Vancouver at the center position.
Gillis could also revisit talks with the Edmonton Oilers, something he's fairly reluctant to do and a team that too won't help the Canucks center woes.
The Chicago Blackhawks and Philadelphia Flyers aren't options at this point, while the wildcard team could be the Tampa Bay Lightning, but they too don't have a No. 2 center to package.
If the Canucks trade Luongo before the trade deadline, it likely won't include a second-line center, forcing Gillis to look elsewhere.
Talks between the Toronto Maple Leafs and Vancouver Canucks resurfaced this week, as it's been widely reported, but it might take another team's assistance to get a deal done, a league source told TFP.
The Leafs and Canucks have revisited the possibility of shipping goalie Roberto Luongo to Toronto in exchange for center Tyler Bozak, a prospect or two, and possibly a draft pick and/or backup goaltender.
Leafs forward Nikolai Kulemin, defensemen John-Michael Liles and Korbinian Holzer, and prospects Tyler Biggs, Stuart Percy and Jesse Blacker have also been attached to a possible trade.
The way things have gone for GM Mike Gillis with Luongo, and the way things are going for the goalie market, the Canucks’ return for Luongo might make the Flames’ return for Iginla look like the Lindros bounty for Quebec.
Edited by debluvscanucks, 31 March 2013 - 07:05 AM.
Posted 31 March 2013 - 06:57 PM
More Gillman: "We need a 3rd line center, but no one is going to 'steal' Roberto from us. We're not moving him for a rental. We need something for today & tomorrow"
Edited by Everybody Hates Raymond, 31 March 2013 - 06:58 PM.
Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:23 AM
Luongo refused to waive no-trade clause to join
April 1, 2013, 1:01 PM
Had he not been banking on a job in Florida, Vancouver Canucks goaltender Roberto Luongo would likely be wearing a Toronto Maple Leafs uniform right now.
As reported by Hockey Central insider Doug MacLean on HC @ Noon Monday, a tentative off-season deal for Luongo was in place between the Leafs and Canucks, but Luongo refused to waive his no-trade clause at the time because the well-paid goaltender was led to believe a deal could also be struck with the Florida Panthers, his former club and his first choice for a landing spot.
“Luongo, at that particular time, believed that a deal was going to happen in Florida. He really believed a deal was coming through in Florida,” MacLean said Monday. “He was told by somebody close to the Panthers that a deal was going to happen, they were going to find a way and to be patient. Luongo turned down the deal with the Leafs. He would not waive his no-trade (to join) the Leafs, so the deal was off.”
Had Luongo known the Florida negotiations would fall through, he would have accepted a trade to Toronto, MacLean explained.
“So it wasn’t (Canucks GM) Mike Gillis getting greedy,” MacLean said. “Now the Florida thing falls on his face, and he’s disappointed he turned down the (Leafs).”
Before being traded by then-Panthers GM Mike Keenan to Vancouver on June 23, 2006, Luongo played five seasons in Florida. It was there he was awarded his first Vezina Trophy nomination, in 2003-04. Luongo still spends the bulk of his off-season in Florida, where he met his wife.
Now the backup to Cory Schneider in Vancouver, Luongo has gone 7-4-3 with a pair of shutouts in 16 games played this season. He has a 2.44 goals-against average and .904 save percentage.
Luongo, who carries with him a $5.33-million annual cap hit, has been the focus of trade rumours since being supplanted by Schneider as Vancouver’s No. 1 goalie in the 2012 playoffs.
The NHL’s trade deadline is Wednesday at 3 p.m. ET
Credit to -Vintage Canuck-
Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:51 PM
Gillis also said "it might not be the right time" to trade #Luongo and suggested that it would be easier in the summer. #canucks
Ehrhoff isn't from europe....
Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:21 PM
Farhan Devji @farhandevji: As of tonight, I'm told the four teams in on Luongo are the #Leafs, #Panthers, #Flyers and #Lightning. Don't shoot the messenger. #Canucks
Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:26 AM
Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:34 PM
@mattsekeres: Canucks AGM Laurence Gilman said acquisition of Derek Roy "potentially" changes the asking price on Roberto Luongo. For example, a W or D.
Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:44 PM
Edited by MJDDawg, 02 April 2013 - 03:51 PM.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:10 PM
#canucks GM Mike Gillis say Roy deal gives them more flexibility to try and move Roberto Luongo. Don't have to be fixated on a centre now.
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