Pears Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 But they have Reimer............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedated Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 MG will be amazing if he manages to pull off a good deal at this point. Not trading a goalie at the deadline means he -has- to do it now. And teams know that. They will offer as little as possible because they know that MG has to get rid of a goalie at some point. Another flaw was giving Schneider a contract where he could simply walk out after it's done and test the waters of FA. Schneider might as well be a rental type contract and Luongo has a franchise player type of contract. Canucks really have no cards at all to play with the goalie situation right now. We also have no attractive prospects to package because, well.. for whatever reason, we traded Hodgson by himself, instead of packaging him with a goalie and making it a good looking piece. Luongo + Hodgson + 1st might've looked good for CBJ with Nash. Or even Schneider if we went down that road. But now we got Kassian, who in all honesty, I am actually pretty excited about, but we could've probably done better if it was a bigger package. Now we have no cards with a big contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 MG will be amazing if he manages to pull off a good deal at this point. Not trading a goalie at the deadline means he -has- to do it now. And teams know that. They will offer as little as possible because they know that MG has to get rid of a goalie at some point. Another flaw was giving Schneider a contract where he could simply walk out after it's done and test the waters of FA. Schneider might as well be a rental type contract and Luongo has a franchise player type of contract. Canucks really have no cards at all to play with the goalie situation right now. We also have no attractive prospects to package because, well.. for whatever reason, we traded Hodgson by himself, instead of packaging him with a goalie and making it a good looking piece. Luongo + Hodgson + 1st might've looked good for CBJ with Nash. Or even Schneider if we went down that road. But now we got Kassian, who in all honesty, I am actually pretty excited about, but we could've probably done better if it was a bigger package. Now we have no cards with a big contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasific Coluseum Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 MG will be amazing if he manages to pull off a good deal at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenDrinkin Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 What are the odds of Luongo wanting to stay if we DID trade Scheider? Would he accept this team still, or does he want out no matter what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RunningWild Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 George Richards @GeorgeRichards Jose Theodore says he hasn't spoken to #FlaPanthers nor #Canucks regarding any movement. Says he wants to stay in FL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensemaker Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 What are the odds of Luongo wanting to stay if we DID trade Scheider? Would he accept this team still, or does he want out no matter what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 If he wanted out no matter what he would increase his desired destination list by 10-15 teams. The way I see it is he's playing hard ball with the team and rightly so; trade me home (Florida) or trade me to our number one enemy (Chicago). If it were about distance, Luongo who plays for the second farthest team away from Florida, would not have re-signed with Vancouver. Luongo or any man for that matter, without local fan support, is a dud. Luongo with local fan support is a high rank top notch superstar goaltender who will get you to an SCF; he has done it. Schneider's contract is a perfectly tradable contract for any team who wants an up and coming goaltender. What fans fail to recognize is that Schneider has been fully hyped so as to maximize potential returns. Gillis did not refuse to trade Schneider to Columbus, Nash refused to waive his NTC. He wanted to go to NYR all along. Making him "unavailable" only increases his value around the league. People pay much more for what seems they cannot get. Luongo will retire a Canucks and will mentor Lack as Schneider was mentored while finally erasing the goalie graveyard tag once and for all. All he needs, is the support from fans. Unfortunately, that might take burning down a few media outlets along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 If he wanted out no matter what he would increase his desired destination list by 10-15 teams. The way I see it is he's playing hard ball with the team and rightly so; trade me home (Florida) or trade me to our number one enemy (Chicago). If it were about distance, Luongo who plays for the second farthest team away from Florida, would not have re-signed with Vancouver. Luongo or any man for that matter, without local fan support, is a dud. Luongo with local fan support is a high rank top notch superstar goaltender who will get you to an SCF; he has done it. Schneider's contract is a perfectly tradable contract for any team who wants an up and coming goaltender. What fans fail to recognize is that Schneider has been fully hyped so as to maximize potential returns. Gillis did not refuse to trade Schneider to Columbus, Nash refused to waive his NTC. He wanted to go to NYR all along. Making him "unavailable" only increases his value around the league. People pay much more for what seems they cannot get. Luongo will retire a Canucks and will mentor Lack as Schneider was mentored while finally erasing the goalie graveyard tag once and for all. All he needs, is the support from fans. Unfortunately, that might take burning down a few media outlets along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 If he wanted out no matter what he would increase his desired destination list by 10-15 teams. The way I see it is he's playing hard ball with the team and rightly so; trade me home (Florida) or trade me to our number one enemy (Chicago). If it were about distance, Luongo who plays for the second farthest team away from Florida, would not have re-signed with Vancouver. Luongo or any man for that matter, without local fan support, is a dud. Luongo with local fan support is a high rank top notch superstar goaltender who will get you to an SCF; he has done it. Schneider's contract is a perfectly tradable contract for any team who wants an up and coming goaltender. What fans fail to recognize is that Schneider has been fully hyped so as to maximize potential returns. Gillis did not refuse to trade Schneider to Columbus, Nash refused to waive his NTC. He wanted to go to NYR all along. Making him "unavailable" only increases his value around the league. People pay much more for what seems they cannot get. Luongo will retire a Canucks and will mentor Lack as Schneider was mentored while finally erasing the goalie graveyard tag once and for all. All he needs, is the support from fans. Unfortunately, that might take burning down a few media outlets along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noheart Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 George Richards ‏@GeorgeRichards and Read more here: http://miamiherald.t.../#storylink=cpy Somewhat contradicts earlier reports from LeBrun that Theodore refused to waive his NTC for Van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 If he wanted out no matter what he would increase his desired destination list by 10-15 teams. The way I see it is he's playing hard ball with the team and rightly so; trade me home (Florida) or trade me to our number one enemy (Chicago). If it were about distance, Luongo who plays for the second farthest team away from Florida, would not have re-signed with Vancouver. Luongo or any man for that matter, without local fan support, is a dud. Luongo with local fan support is a high rank top notch superstar goaltender who will get you to an SCF; he has done it. Schneider's contract is a perfectly tradable contract for any team who wants an up and coming goaltender. What fans fail to recognize is that Schneider has been fully hyped so as to maximize potential returns. Gillis did not refuse to trade Schneider to Columbus, Nash refused to waive his NTC. He wanted to go to NYR all along. Making him "unavailable" only increases his value around the league. People pay much more for what seems they cannot get. Luongo will retire a Canucks and will mentor Lack as Schneider was mentored while finally erasing the goalie graveyard tag once and for all. All he needs, is the support from fans. Unfortunately, that might take burning down a few media outlets along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensemaker Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 That is soooo far off the mark...defies explanation...but bravo for thinking wayyyy outa the box !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wh!stler R!der Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 You continue to say Schneider will be traded when everyone that's a fan of the NHL knows Luongo will be the one shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensemaker Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Not necessarily. Sensemaker does make sense. Läck seems to be dominating the AHL like Schneider was during his tenure in the minors. All directions seemingly lead to Läck being a very successful goaltender for us in the future. That being said, would Gillis really want to get a low return for Luongo only to have seemingly another goalie controversy down the road with Schneider and Läck? Luongo is still a top goaltender -- he just had an off year, like everyone else on our team. Recall, he had his best season and was in contention of the Vezina two seasons ago. Moreover, with the departure of Ehrhoff our defence was given the green light to produce points. Consequently, we lost our composure and formidable defensive structure quite often last season. Adding Garrison, a defensive specialist with a bomb of a shot, to our backend will improve our defence and help Luongo return to elite-level status. Yes, Luongo is most likely to be shown the door, but Gillis will not trade Luongo at his current value. Recall, Gillis and Vigneault made Cody Hodgson into something they could trade at maximum value for (although the timing of the trade is questionable). Luongo right now will not get a great return. Schneider on the other hand is at his maximum value. Schneider has seemingly surpassed Luongo to claim the number 1 spot on a President's Trophy team and is signed to a really good contract. Imagine what a package including Schneider and one of our prospects and a 1st rounder could get.. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that our window for a cup is now and the next few years. The Sedins -- and Burrows for that matter -- can only play at an elite level for so long. Once they decline we won't have anyone else to replace their scoring. Kesler can not be relied on scoring every single game against top pairing defences. Booth, a player very similar to Kesler, is just as inconsistent. Unless they form amazing chemistry together (a la Kesler and Burrows) and become consistent they will be relegated to secondary scoring duties. Furthermore, most of our prospects are years away from even making the team in a 3rd line role. Schroeder, a once promising prospect, has stumbled since being drafted but is now getting back on track. Jensen, our most talented prospect, will most likely take another 2 to 3 years before he rounds out his game enough to garner a roster spot. Kassian, barring a miraculous offseason, will be put either on the fourth line or in the AHL. He'll still need a few more years before he surpasses Higgins and Hansen to be put on the third line wing. My point is, Luongo can get us a second liner or a mid level prospect and a pick. Schneider, or a Schneider package, can possibly get us a first line talent with solid potential or an offensive stud. Bobby Ryan comes to mind (yes they have Hiller but there were rumours of Perry or Ryan to Vancouver for a Schneider package earlier this year). Trading Schneider for the right guy will help us now for our cup run and in the future, moreso than a desperate Luongo trade to Florida for Versteeg or Matthias and a pick. The positive impact from a Schneider trade has the potential to be tremendously bigger than a Luongo trade. It just makes more sense for the team to trade Schneider than Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensemaker Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 You continue to say Schneider will be traded when everyone that's a fan of the NHL knows Luongo will be the one shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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